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Banging home the rebounds

Despite the misgivings around NHL data that were discussed here yesterday, we'll press ahead with our analysis with the understanding that the quality of our data is sometimes compromised, so we have be careful about the judgments made from any conclusions. Since rebounds were the topic on the goaltending side, one thing we can look at is how often rebounds led to immediate follow-up shots. For the purpose of this study, the definition of a rebound shot is a shot which occurs within 5 seconds of another shot, with no other intervening events (i.e. a stoppage and faceoff).

Yes, 5 seconds is longer than you typically think it takes someone to whack a loose puck in the crease, but for these purposes, I'm leaving room for a shot, rebound out into the slot, and enough time for a single pass & shoot. The goalie's rebound (and the defense's failure to clear it) is just as costly in that situation as if a dribbler was left hanging free for a "Johnny on the spot" tap-in.

All in all, I showed 3,875 such shots taken last year, roughly 3.15 per game between two teams. These shots are critically important, as they are almost twice as likely to score as other shots, when equalized in terms of distance, shot type, and situation (PP, PK, EV).

Here's a quick list of rebound shots taken by team, sorted by the portion of their total shots that resulted from rebounds, that being a gauge of how important rebound shots are to their offense:

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And conversely, here's a look at which teams gave up more or less rebound shots on the defensive end:


We're left, then, with some interesting points to ponder in the light of player movement this summer. Did the Edmonton Oilers (3rd worst in Rebounds For) see Dustin Penner as the solution to their woeful ability to get second-shots from in close? Among individual players, Penner was 13th in the league with 20 such chances. Tomas Vanek, who was also courted by Oilers GM Kevin Lowe with an offer sheet, was tied for 11th with 21 such shots. Perhaps there was indeed a method to Lowe's purported madness...

P.S.: Sorry for the picture files instead of HTML tables which one can easily copy & paste. Does anyone know a way to easily create a table out of Excel 2007 that I can pop in as HTML? When I try saving files as Single Web Page, the HTML is cluttered with all sorts of extra formatting...

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Well, if Penner was the solution, where did Smyth stand in terms of rebounds? That's where he's vaunted to be, after all.

by MikeP on Aug 7, 2007 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Come back tommorow to find out!

by The Forechecker on Aug 7, 2007 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Which netminders gave up the most/least rebounds?

by Mike at MHH on Aug 7, 2007 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

If you do figure out the excel table, please let me know.

by Draft Dodger on Aug 7, 2007 8:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Getting to the netminders is going to take a bit of work, as I have to pull in all the shift data to know which goalie was defending which shots. I probably won't get to that for a couple weeks, at least, as I've had some difficulty pulling the shift information together.

by The Forechecker on Aug 7, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm assuming that your counting shots and goals recorded in the 5 second interval not just shots recorded on the PBP (have to ask).
As far as the excel spreadsheet have you tried google docs and spreadsheets.

http://groups.google.com/group/blogger-help-howdoi/browse_thread/thread/328d1f92a557aaa5/259117e9ccf92b46?q=excel&rnum=3#259117e9ccf92b46

by Mogen_david on Aug 7, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, I recorded shots & goals that occurred within 5 seconds of the initial shot, thanks for asking.

I used Google Spreadsheets for the Super Schedule, but what I need is a quick & dirty way to embed some data into these articles in a way that:

1) Looks good
2) Allows people to copy & paste the info
3) Is easy to drop into the post, without loading tons of extraneous HTML.

by The Forechecker on Aug 7, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions  

what about saving Excel as CSV and then using this tool?

http://watson-wilson.ca/computer/csv2html.html

i usually save as CSV, then copy in Excel. then i use PRE tags around the data.

by murph on Aug 8, 2007 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

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