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Rebounds: The missing NHL stat

The addition of Real Time Super Stats (RTSS) by the NHL several years ago brought a new depth of information available for in-game analysis. During telecasts we see some of this information used (mostly the level of Hits by each team), but in terms of serious analysis, there's not very much we can do with Hits, Giveaways, and Takeaways because of two serious drawbacks.

First of all, as has been pointed out in numerous forums, the quality of the data being recorded (particularly when it comes to the location and type of Shots taken) is less than you'd expect from what is supposed to be the world's greatest hockey league. For many statistics, the level of activity found in a game has more to do with where the game is played (in front of which official scorers), rather than the players on the ice. Secondly, however, there seems to me a fundamental gap in the design of these stats that would still hamper their utility even if accuracy wasn't an issue. Let's take a look at a random game that I pulled the Play-by-Play file for, a contest from November 25, 2005, wherein the Colorado Avalanche punished the Columbus Blue Jackets 5-0:

 # Per Time Event Team Type Description
----- --- ----- --------------- ---- ---- --------------------------------------------------------
1 1 00:00 FACE-OFF N/A - CBJ won - neutral zone. COL 14 LAPERRIERE vs CBJ 17 BRULE
2 1 00:33 SHOT COL EV 15 BRUNETTE, Wrist, 21 ft
3 1 00:49 SHOT COL EV 14 LAPERRIERE, Slap, 39 ft
4 1 01:02 SHOT CBJ EV 91 FEDOROV, Slap, 35 ft
5 1 01:03 STOPPAGE N/A - Goalie Stopped
6 1 01:03 FACE-OFF N/A - COL won - defensive zone. COL 19 SAKIC vs CBJ 91 FEDOROV
7 1 01:12 SHOT CBJ EV 13 ZHERDEV, Slap, 24 ft

Let's start right off the top - we see that Columbus wins the opening faceoff, but then how does Colorado get a shot 33 seconds later? Was there a Giveaway by Columbus, or did an Avalanche player land a Hit or Takeaway? Are we to presume that after Brunette's shot the Avalanche picked up the puck again and held it for Laperriere's slapper at 00:49? It looks like the Blue Jackets grab the rebound off that shot and Fedorov takes a shot that the goalie holds for a faceoff. But after Sakic wins the next draw in his defensive zone, the Blue Jackets take a shot only 9 seconds later. How'd they get the puck to do that?

The ideal scenario would have details recorded for each event that occurs when a player controls the puck. For example, they might pass it (successfully or unsuccessfully), fire a shot on goal, bobble it off their stick (a Giveaway), or dump it into the zone. Given the speed of the action and the effort already shown in gathering accurate data, I wouldn't expect such a dream state to develop any time soon. It would be nice to approach something like Dean Oliver's Possession Scoring System for basketball. Since he's ascended into actually working for an NBA team, I doubt he's available to extend that model to hockey at the present time.

An acceptable stepping-stone towards that destination would be to at least commit to a team-level recording of puck possession results, and the current statistics come close to theoretically meeting that goal. For instance, we know the results of Faceoffs which start any given play, and the zone in which that faceoff occurred. We also know if the puck changes team possession due to Giveaways and Takeaways, or whether a Stoppage results (for instance, due to the puck going over the glass). I haven't found a true definition of a Hit, however; does it refer solely to a hard check dished out on the ice, or is a change of possession required as well?

When a shot is taken, however, our knowledge of which team next possesses the puck enters a fog. We know if there was a Blocked Shot, but who picks up the puck afterward? If the goalie makes the save, we know if a Stoppage occurs because he froze it, but if the puck squirts loose, what happens next?

I would propose that in order to close that loop, as well as provide a useful measure for defensive performance, the Rebound should be added as an additional statistic. It could be credited to the first player to take possession of the puck (making any sort of play with it, including simply firing it out of the zone) after a Shot, Missed Shot, or Blocked Shot. Every hockey player, coach and fan knows of the importance of battling for loose pucks, and those battles should be recorded in the official stats.

What we need to know is when and how the puck changes possession from one team to another, in order to reach a more thorough understanding of exactly how the game flows and scoring opportunities are created. For the defensive aspect of the game (which is largely devoid of useful measurements) the Rebound could provide a means of assigning some individual credit to team figures such as reduced shots against. The current state of affairs leaves us with incomplete and inaccurate information, and when I tried deriving a Puck Possession +/- last year, the results were disappointing.

It looks to me like basketball is light-years ahead of hockey in terms of the sophistication of its statistical analysis, and that the main obstacle standing in our way is the availability of high-quality data. Whatever the NHL is paying to have the Play-by-Play files done is 100% too much right now. If I had my five minutes with Gary Bettman, I'd just have to ask him, "why are you even bothering to publish this info"? It simply appears amateurish and hackneyed, as if the league felt compelled to put something out there, regardless of whether it was backed by any sense of reality.

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Here, Here!!! I agree 110%. Maybe we need to get a groundswell of clamouring fans who want relevant stats for hockey. I've been dying to see numbers on rebounds and other puck control stats for years, but the data is either not out there or faulty to the point of being useless.

I don't understand why, in this day and age of arbitration, where numbers REALLY, REALLY matter (since they can turn into $$ pretty quickly), the NHL is so far behind in this area. Basketball and baseball have utilized a myriad of stats for years, some of them rather obscure, to help define the intangibles and alternate skills other than points for years. Why not hockey? Especially since the intangible are often the deciding factor between wins and losses on any given night?

by Mike at MHH on Aug 6, 2007 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting. Hadn't really thought that much about this. I haven't noticed a particular inconsistency in stats from one officiating team or another, but i have walked away from many games thinking "that felt like more than 27 shots", etc. I always chalked it up to shots that were headed just wide, etc.

I'd rather have what the NHL has - a problem with inconsistent stat makers - than the problem the NBA has with horribly inconsistent penalty calling.

by Paul Nicholson on Aug 6, 2007 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree Forechecker

They need stats like this. not only should rebound be added, but they need stats on successful dump-ins. I think measuring a defensive man's ability would be a lot easier if we knew a "clearing percentage" i.e the ability of a D-man to get the puck out of his zone without icing or giving up a shot.

All good things Forechecker.

by Jibblescribbits on Aug 6, 2007 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Having said all of that... I don't think that hockey can ever be like baseball (thankfully!).

You can look at a baseball boxscore and know exactly what happened through the whole game. How boring is that?

Try as we might, you'll never be able to totally quantify a d-man's ability to clear the puck, etc.

I am reminded of Bruce Bowen and others like him in the NBA. He doesn't block shots. He prevents them from being taken in the first place. So players with higher 'block' stats look like better defenders. But there is no real way to come up with a 'shots prevented' or 'forced Kobe to give up the ball' stat. There will always be some aspects of the game that can't really be well quantified. They are too open to judgment - which i think may have been part of Forechecker's point here.

by Paul Nicholson on Aug 6, 2007 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Hockey may not ever be able to approach baseball's level of statistical granularity, but there is tremendous room for improvement to be made on two fronts:

1) Accuracy of info already collected,
2) The addition of further events to get a more complete picture of the action.

With more (and better) information, we can get a deeper understanding of individual player value, which would help avoid some of these large disparities in opinion (such as whether Tomas Vanek is worth $7 million, or Dustin Penner more than $4 million).

by The Forechecker on Aug 6, 2007 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Personally, the one element I really wanted to see on the game log would be on every attempted shot, was there a screen in place or not? While the definition of "screen" probably needs to be well-defined, I don't think it would be too difficult to add on to what's being collected, and I think it would add a lot in terms of understanding which shots are more dangerous than others.

But I'll take your enhancement too.

by Earl Sleek on Aug 6, 2007 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Hockey is deploying/has deplyed a new stats system fromt the same folks that do basketball (IDS). Look for improvements in the future.

by Anonymous on Aug 7, 2007 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree that there are some issues, but it is not in the timing. End to end is less than 10 seconds if unabated.

Getting a shot 9 seconds after a face won by the defensive team goes as follows.

Centre draws back - defenceman gets puck and tris to clear - 4 - 6 seconds.

Pass is intercepted and shot is taken - 3-5 seconds.

Hoceky is a fast game - in skills competition these guys do a complete lap in about 15 seconds.

by Anonymous on Oct 2, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

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