Do you believe in Goc?
When the Nashville Predators signed Marcel Goc as a free agent last August (for the bargain sum of $550,000), they knew they were getting a speedy and skilled defensive specialist and faceoff man. Over the last two months, however, Goc has stepped into a larger role on the team, centering a 3rd line with the likes of Patric Hornqvist, Martin Erat, and J.P. Dumont as wingers.
He's already tied his career best for goals in a season (8), and is well on his way to doing so in points as well, that mark being 22 in 2005-6 with San Jose. But how much of this production is the result of opportunity, and how much is based on real improvement in Goc's play?
Simply put, is Marcel Goc the 3rd-line center that the Nashville Predators need to compete in the 2nd half of the season, and make progress in the playoffs? Follow after the jump as we dig into that question.
Let's take a look at selected Behind the Net 5-on-5 data from the last 3 seasons on Goc:
| Marcel Goc | TEAM | GP | TOI/60 | RATING | QUALCOMP | QUALTEAM | GOALS/60 | ASST/60 | PTS/60 | GFON/60 | GAON/60 | +-ON/60 |
| Current Season | NSH | 41 | 11.52 | +0.47 | -0.114 | +0.040 | 1.02 | 1.02 | 2.03 | 2.79 | 2.16 | +0.64 |
| 2008-9 | S.J | 55 | 11.95 | -0.85 | -0.046 | -0.259 | 0.18 | 0.83 | 1.01 | 1.46 | 1.83 | -0.37 |
| 2007-8 | S.J | 51 | 9.22 | -2.37 | +0.013 | -0.358 | 0.64 | 0.38 | 1.02 | 1.40 | 3.06 | -1.66 |
Interestingly, Goc's increased role (he was typically a 4th-line guy for the Sharks) has not led to increased 5-on-5 ice time, but he is playing with better linemates (the QUALTEAM column) and is facing softer opposition (the QUALCOMP column).
That said, he's making the most of the opportunity - his Points Per 60 Minutes have doubled, to a respectable 2.03 (in the same ballpark as Jason Arnott, Minnesota's Mikko Koivu and Vancouver's Ryan Kesler). A good part of that jump is directly tied to his goal-scoring, boosted by a shooting percentage of 11.6 this season, nearly double his 6.2 career rate.
Does that mean that we're seeing a fluke here? Not necessarily. Last season, Goc scored just 2 goals on 104 shots, an absurdly low figure for a forward, which drags down that career figure considerably. Given the chances that are generated by his linemates (Dumont in particular is probably the best setup man on the team), it's no surprise to see Goc scoring more often, and a shooting percentage of 11.6 isn't outlandish; it's certainly sustainable the rest of the way.
So the question then becomes, is this enough production out of someone who is basically centering what amounts to the 2nd scoring line for the Preds? After all, David Legwand has been paired with Joel Ward and Jerred Smithson on what has been an effective checking line, which is still capable of contributing offensively.
Is a 16 goal, 16 assist pace enough from a guy centering wingers like Hornqvist, Erat & Dumont? I'm not so sure.
In my mind, the open question here is tied to Nashville's power play. It is in dire need of a boost, and among the Predators forwards who get regular duty there, only Martin Erat boasts a decent Points/60 Minutes rate (there are nearly 100 other NHL forwards with at least 20 games played and 0.5 minutes of PP time per game with higher scoring rates).
Since Goc only sees 13 seconds per game with the man advantage, should he get some work there to see if he can produce? Since he hasn't talled a power play point since the 2005-6 season, I can't say that he's a proven solution, but it may be worth a look.
Perhaps what makes sense is to give Goc some PP ice time (and shift some of Legwand's away), to see if a spark can be generated. If not, the Predators need to look at serious options on the trade market. Nashville's goal-scoring in 5-on-4 play is worst in the NHL, after ranking 3rd-worst last season and 8th-worst in 2007-8. An already bad PP is getting worse, not better, and it's time to look for some novel solutions.
If Goc can't help the Predators power play, let's find a rental player on the trade market who can. Colin Wilson may be the future of the organization, but we certainly can't rely upon him to fill that role at this time, and we all know how important it is for this team to make strides in the upcoming playoffs, strides that they've failed to make so far.
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Great stuff
Here’s my take on it.
Even with Goc’s production, this really is not his calling card or history and I don’t think its going to be sustainable over an 82 game season. If you “downgrade” Goc to that 4th line and let him focus on faceoffs and defending, and bring in someone else, perhaps for Hamhuis, you really change the dimension of the team because it enables you to ice 4 very effective lines. Consider, then, for a moment what we’d look like with that one extra center (presuming everyone is healthy):
Sullivan-Arnott-Erat
Hornqvist-(scoring center in the Jeff Carter mold)-Dumont
Smithson-Legwand-Ward
Jones-Goc-Spaling
You then have two lines that are, when “on”, extremely capable of lighting the lamp at any moment, and two lines that are very sound defensively, one of which can shut down anybody. Thats a team worth betting on.
With Goc having to shoulder more offense, though, it looks like this:
Sullivan-Arnott-Erat
Dumont-Goc-Hornqvist
And forces you to ice a Belak who is next to useless and means our 4th line is constantly overmatched. And this is all without taking into question the power play, which as you said, needs a lot of help. A lot.
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Basically why is this true?
Colin Wilson may be the future of the organization, but we certainly can’t rely upon him to fill that role at this time,
Wilson
Is still rehabilitating his groin which has not been established as completely 100%, and hasn’t really proven himself all that well at the AHL level, so there’s been no reason to bring him up. Santorelli, O’Reilly, and Spaling all produced well. Colin has played 21 games and has 4g, 5a, and is a -3. Not exactly what you want to see before you bring him up for an important offensive position.
I watched him in college and can tell you that when he hits his stride, he’ll be the real deal. Was like watching a man among boys at BU. He’s a guy you build a scoring line around for a long time.
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Goc is God, or one letter off anyway.
Alright, let’s say we trade Hamhuis. Then what are we going to do on D? Play 3 rookies? Whose job will it to be to try and clean up Klein’s mistakes then?
We would all love to have a Jeff Carter. Let’s be honest here, Hamhuis will not get us a Jeff Carter or a comparable player. Teams are not looking to get rid of a Jeff Carter. We could go after Kovalchuk I guess. Haha, right. Maybe we can get Radulov to come back. That’s even funnier.
It’s irrelevant that he plays with Dumont sometimes. He has only played on the 4th line in San Jose cause they have awesome centers. He was behind Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski and Roenick. This is his first chance to really prove himself and he is doing just that.
Goc is awesome. He is one of my favorite acquisitions this team has ever made. You need to pay attention to him more. Also, Belak is gone once Smithers, Toots, and Erat are back.
This team is a Trotzian wet dream. Well balanced defense from all lines and Goc is a big part of that balance. Now we just have to figure out what Trotz sees in the Kevin Klein guy.
Well
First, welcome to On the Forecheck!
As for what we do defensively if we trade Dan Hamhuis, I think you consider (gasp) breaking up Weber and Suter in order for a veteran to be on each pairing. It leaves you with something like this:
Weber/Klein
Suter/Franson
Boullion/Sulzer
That doesn’t seem all that bad to me. It leaves one really solid guy to cover for the others, if thats what you want.
Actually, Jeff Carter has been considered at points this season “available”, especially if the Flyers are sellers at the deadline. So its not totally out of reach. Hamhuis couldn’t get Carter by himself, but a package deal could make Philly consider it.
Not sure why you say that its irrelevant he plays with Dumont? Some elaboration would be helpful. Dirk’s point was we need help on the power play, and a center with wingers like Erat and Hornqvist probably should be producing a little more.
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Carter is available ... but Philly will make you overpay for him
Carter had been slumping most of the year, and it is doubtful he will score 46 goals again this season. But he has regained his form as of late and would be difficult to replace in the lineup. Nashville has a lot of assets the Flyers would want — such as Wilson, Pickard, your top-notch offensive blue-liners and a first round pick in this year’s draft. Is it worth it to Nashville to part with that in exchange for Carter?
by memphisbrando on Jan 9, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my Goc!
He is producing! He is one of the best defensive forwards in hockey! He has 16 points! He is on the 3rd line! Dirk asked the question is he a fluke because he is playing with the likes of Dumont. No, he’s no fluke! He is just finally getting his chance. It doesn’t matter who he plays with, he is going to be the same night in and night out. That’s more than I can say about Dumont. He is getting minutes now and that’s why he is producing. It is hard to produce when you play 5 minutes a night.
Am i OK with breaking up one the best defensive pairings in hockey in Suter and Weber? No, not at all! Do I want to trade Hamhuis and go into the playoffs with three rookie d men? No, I don’t. Isn’t our lack of playoff success always blamed on inexperience in the playoffs? We finally get these guys of age and we want to trade them. It is like starting over. Hamhuis is not the one to trade either. Klein is the gaping hole, this years Devries.

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