Marcel Goc's boarding by Nicklas Backstrom - where's the suspension?
Marcel Goc, who was boarded into the corner by Washington's Nicklas Backstrom on Saturday, will reportedly miss the next 2-4 weeks with a separated shoulder, while Backstrom has yet to face any review by the NHL (and inquiries as to whether a hearing will take place have gone unanswered). Should the Washington star be suspended, though?
It's a real shame for the Preds because, along with the injury suffered by Matthew Lombardi, they are having to test their forward depth severely by calling up Nick Spaling from Milwaukee, and are apparently moving Colin Wilson to center between Martin Erat and J.P. Dumont, per Monday's practice lines.
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To me, this seems to be a pretty straightforward case of a dangerous boarding play, and given the recent suspensions handed out to Niklas Hjalmarsson (who recieved 2 games for his boarding of Jason Pominville) and Shane Doan (who just got 3 games for this late hit on Dan Sexton), it's mind-boggling as to why Backstrom isn't facing supplementary discipline here.
Then again, given the way Marian Hossa walked away scot-free after drilling Dan Hamhuis into the endboards during the playoffs, maybe it's not so surprising.
Evidently someone has to pull out a gun and shoot a Nashville Predator on the ice before they draw attention from the league office. Jason Arnott, for example, was slew-footed twice last season (by Boris Valabik in January, and Sammi Pahlson in March) with neither incident drawing supplementary discipline from the NHL. As a reference, Evgeni Artyukhin received a 3-game suspension for doing the same to Dallas defenseman Matt Niskanen in October 2009.
UPDATE: Steve Sullivan spoke with Fanhouse advocating NHL review of the hit.
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is it the preds or "star" appeal
i have a theory that a player has to score less than 60 points a season to have to follow the league rules and be punished for breaking the rules.
but then i read what you wrote about the slew footing of arnott so idk. Maybe it’s a combination of the two theories that is worked in Hossa’s favor and is doing the same for Backstrom now.
But i still don’t know why the league wouldn’t announce that they are at least reviewing it, they did with hossa’s hit.
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The league will ignore this assault
because this atrocious hit came from Nicklas Backstrom of the Presidents Cup-winning Washington Capitals, also known as the Flying Ovechkins, acknowleged television favorites, while the victim was Marcel Goc of the Nashville Predators, of whom TV audiences have seen nothing and from which nothing of any consequence is expected. If the roles were reversed, we’d see a two- to five-game suspension. And God forbid it involved Jordin Tootoo. We’d be picking up his remains from under the CN Tower right now.
by Hockey Hillbilly on Oct 18, 2010 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
Alex Ovechkin.
Mike Green.
The league has shown no favoritism towards the Capitals in possible cases of suspension.
by red army line on Oct 19, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t realize Preds fans were cousins of Wings fans. Folks there is no conspiracy against your team. It’s the NHL wheel of justice. It just didn’t land your way this time. You’ve had an NHL team long enough to know how the league office works.
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by Carl Putnam on Oct 18, 2010 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Any conspiracy theory is admittedly a reach. Like I said below, I don’t buy that. I’m just complaining about the inconsistencies of the league office and the inability to work to eliminate these dangerous hits from the game. I will continue to do so, whether the hit involves Todd Bertuzzi being injured or Shea Weber. I think we can both agree that this hit was bad and deserved more than 2 minutes, yes?
by Chris Burton on Oct 18, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m with 100% there. Just read my comments at FFH on the Doan suspension or any comment I’ve made on probably a dozen suspensions in the last 2 seasons. Should a hit from behind be a suspension? Absolutely.
However, the poll question and the first two comments in this thread seem to hint at some conspiracy against the Preds and for the Caps. Apparently, the fact that league suspended the Caps capatin and leading scorer several times last year didn’t get mentioned. The league is incompetent when it comes to discipline and player safety, but they aren’t conspiring against anyone.
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Maybe not a conspiracy...
but food for thought. If Bakcstrom gets nothing out of this hit, which was much worse than the Hossa hit, then the NHL has epically failed yet again. Backstrom servesa paltry two-minute penalty and we lose one of our best PK’ers and decent goal scorer with a helluva wrist shot. Thanks Niklas. :(
by HardCorePredFan316 on Oct 18, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
And in 2008-2009 Chris Pronger messed up Mike Green for the rest of the season with a huge hit, helping the Caps fall to PIT in round 2. Pronger got zero PIMS, Green missed about 15 games and was nursing a shoulder injury for the rest of the season.
Whether or not an injury was sustained is irrelevant.
by red army line on Oct 19, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hint? Maybe...
All I’m pointing out here is that there have been four suspendable offenses committed against the Preds in the last 10 months, none of which resulted in supplemental discipline. That’s a trend worth noticing.
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5 incidents, actually...
We can’t forget the water bottle incident during the playoffs.
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I never argued you guys haven’t seen more than your fair share. Even if I take into account a couple of borderline Weber hits you guys still get the shaft. I’m just saying that there isn’t a conspiracy.
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No One Is Suggesting a Conspiracy Here....
no one (and I just re-read this story and the comments) said this was a consiracy.
the “theories” mentioned above aren’t a “conspiracy” but an effort to find an explanation why Hossa can dump Hammer into the boards, why Backstrom can dislocate Goc’s shoulder and both are done blindsided into the boards but nothing gets done about it.
here’s why nothing is getting done: these are highly paid players pushing guys into the boards, and they play for flagship teams taking cheap shots at players who are not like them, playing for small market teams. What’s disfunctional about the NHL disciplinary process is the double standard that favors big market teams, and esp the high end salaried players on those teams.
the above isn’t a conspiracy theory, just a theory. There are natural economic reasons for the NHL to do this: they are hesitant to set in motion having a high end player on a high profile team be on the brink of “repeat offender” status if they can avoid it; and for both reasons they seek to avoid it for high end players or key players on high profile teams. there are times when they cannot avoid it (see Ovechkin’s gratuitous kneeing of another player last season).
its the difference btwn negligent driving and and a DUI accident for some famous kid of a well known celebrity. the cops can overlook the negligent driving for that person (when they wouldn’t for another person). The DUI accident is simply too hard to ignore.
Should it be this way? Of course not, but until the NHL realizes they need to make a few more examples by evenly enforcing the rules (by treating rule breakers everytime like their name is Jordan Tootoo, regardless who they are), they’re going to have to continue to overlook incidents like what occured to Goc because players like Backstrom know they’re likely get away with it.
by keepellisingoal on Oct 18, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
because players like Backstrom know they’re likely get away with it.
This strikes me as ridiculous. No player goes around thinking that far ahead. Only in an extremely rare case to players go out and try to injure others, if at all.
by red army line on Oct 19, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not really in the tin foil hat crowd (read: teh league hates the Predz!!!!1), however, this is getting ridiculous.
This hit is worse than the Hossa/Hamhuis hit in my opinion, because a) Goc is injured and b) the puck wasn’t around. I think Laich and Bouillon were battling for the puck when Backstrom sent Goc into the boards.
Look, the fact that there’s no suspension isn’t really what bothers me. What does bother me is that Backstrom was not ejected, and that there was no disciplinary hearing at all, which would’ve come with the boarding + misconduct.
So once again, good job at failing, NHL.
If you’re applying injury, then Weber made a player’s brain bleed during commission of a five minute major penalty. The player didn’t return to the NHL for over a year. Weber should have faced a ten-game suspension at least, by that reasoning.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 18, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t say I was applying injury. In the Weber/Lilja scenario, it was clearly just a fight – any injury that results from that is pretty irrelevant. If Lilja had made Weber’s brain bleed, I wouldn’t have called for a suspension. Such are the dangers of fighting.
Not sure how your comment applies to the situation, to be honest.
by Chris Burton on Oct 18, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Is fighting a major penalty? Was the injury sustained while Weber was committing the act that incurred that 5 minute major penalty? If the answer is yes, then the situations are the same. Weber caused a serious injury while doing something strictly verboten by the rules of hockey.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 18, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Fighting is not a suspendable (at least, as manifested in Weber/Lilja) offense, though, is it? Certain instances of boarding are.
by Chris Burton on Oct 18, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Carcillo caught a suspension for fighting with Bradley last season, so I know it’s at least possible.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 18, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
mixing apples and oranges here....
so its possible for a fight to result in a suspension. two guys fighting doesn’t come as a surprise to either. boarding surely does.
what was the point with discussing fighting, a normal part of the game? and something it takes two to engage in.
by keepellisingoal on Oct 18, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa there, killer.
Fighting* is a mutual act that two players participate in, like consensual sex. Both players receive a major penalty.
Boarding is perpetrated by one player on another, unwilling player, like rape. The perpetrator is assessed a major penalty.
*Fights where one guy isn’t willing don’t count as a fight in the normal, consensual sense; this is reflected in the fact that the unwilling party in a one-way fight won’t get a penalty, and the perpetrator usually suffers more penalties (of some sort).
by Smashvillain on Oct 18, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
At what point does a fight become non-consensual battery? In the Weber incident, he destroyed Lilja with two punches, totally knocked him out. Lilja’s knees buckled and he sagged — and Weber held him up and kept punching, hard, while the linesman were trying to pull him off. Lilja may have started it consensually, but I’m not sure it was finished in the same fashion.
If the entire point here is that players have a responsibility to avoid injuring defenseless foes, do Weber’s actions in that case pass the test? I think you can make an argument that they don’t.
The reality is that fighting and boarding are different on their face and the original point was meant as an illustration that using the injury standard would result in some ridiculous outcomes, like Weber getting suspended for 10 games. I think everyone can agree that such a sentence would have been silly, given the circumstances.
Let’s use a Nashville example — If Niklas Kronwall charges Shea Weber in open ice, but Weber skates away because he’s a mountain of a man and has a high injury threshold., there’s nothing beyond the initial charging penalty. If Kronwall manages to hit Suter the same way and Suter is injured, the action was the exact same, but the outcome was different. In both cases, we’re talking about an illegal, possibly malevolent hit, but one would be suspended with injury criteria, the other left unpunished.
If you want a consistent application of suspensions for hits from behind, that’s fine. But using injury as a criteria makes the Wheel O’ Justice even more arbitrary than it already is.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 19, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good points.
I’ll agree with all of this except that Weber vs. Lilja was particularly questionable—I’ve watched that fight a number of times, and I don’t think Weber realized Lilja was hurt to the degree he was. In fact, it appears to me that Lilja was back on his feet by the time the linesmen pulled them apart.
Besides that, fights are the one time in hockey that players may suspend their responsibility to not intentionally injure other players; since Lilja at least arguably appeared to still be in the fight after getting knocked to his knees, Weber’s extra punch or two was fairly reasonable in my opinion.
Fighters fall to their knees, get up, and continue fighting all the time. One could also argue that since Lilja’s illegal body slam of Weber was what started the whole situation, Weber was the non-consenting party.
Aside from that, your points stand; I’m certainly no fan of using the (injury or non-injury) outcome of an action to determine its punishment.
by Smashvillain on Oct 19, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, by the way
Weber retaliated after Lilja grabbed him from behind and pulled his head down to the ice. See On the Forecheck:
http://www.ontheforecheck.com/2009/3/1/776824/video-of-the-weber-lilja-t
by Hockey Hillbilly on Oct 18, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Todd Bertuzzi was retaliating for a teammate. Just sayin’.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 18, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
Again, what’s the point here? This is about boarding. If Ovechkin had been pushed into the boards by Goc and was out 2 – 6 weeks, whats the reaction to that occuring? What if Tootoo had done it? Thats the discussion here. And if your reference to Bertuzzi was the stick incident, don’t you understand what this discussion is about? No one is hitting anyone with a stick. Bertuzzi went way over the line.
The question, again, is how does Hammer get boarded by Hossa and Goc by Backstrom, the latter significantly hurt, yet nothing happens (a 2 minutes penalty doesn’t count; thats the equivalent of a delay of game/puck over the glass).
Again, this is not about standing up for a team mate, or a mutual fight btwn two players, its about a blindsided shove into the boards. Fighting has zip to do with this.
by keepellisingoal on Oct 18, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is to illustrate that retaliation, no matter what reason, doesn’t excuse an action. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 19, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
You be trollin'
and the two situations aren’t comparable.
Just sayin’.
by Smashvillain on Oct 18, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
While I don’t think any of us agree with Knee high’s point, he’s most certainly not trolling. He’s a respected member of SBN and has behaved accordingly.
by Chris Burton on Oct 18, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Knee high is no troll. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t make them a troll.
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by Carl Putnam on Oct 19, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
If I want to troll, I’ll go way further over the top. You’ll know because I start talking about relocation ;-)
The examples I’m using are extreme, but it’s in keeping with extension of principle ad nauseum to see what the results are in other situations.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 19, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps that accusation was unwarranted.
Bertuzzi is still a bit of a sore spot.
by Smashvillain on Oct 19, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It does matter who you are
Folks, let’s not kid ourselves. It does matter if you are a star in this league when it comes to penalties and supplementary discipline. However, to be fair, the NHL is not unique when it comes to this kind of bias— other leagues also have it as well. And I am not stupid enough to seek perfection with this sort of thing, but with all the recent fuss about taking these kind of dangerous plays out of the game, I would think a few early season examples on some star players when the points don’t hurt quite so much would set the tone for months of safer play that could prevent many needless injuries and help clean up the game.
It really sucks to have Goc yanked right now as he was playing extremely well for the team. All the circumstances stated above are true, it was an idiotic play by Backstrom, who is generally a pretty smart player.
Folks, let’s not kid ourselves. It does matter if you are a star in this league when it comes to penalties and supplementary discipline.
Wrong.
Alex Ovechkin, of these same Washington Capitals, has been suspended multiple times. He is one of two faces of today’s NHL. That alone proves there’s not much of a star treatment.
by Chris Burton on Oct 18, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris, I am an OV fan. The Caps are the other team I follow, so I am aware of his history. I think he has gotten off lightly for some of the things he did because of his prominence. I don’t pretend to have the answer, I am just honestly posing the question— if a less known player from their roster had made that hit, say, Dave Steckel, do you honestly think the league office would have hesitated to render a harsh judgement?
How do you explain Hossa board Hammer then?
Goc was more seriously injured but Hossa’s boarding of Hammer looked MUCH worse and Hammer stayed down on the ice longer.
Its VERY dificult to explain Hossa not getting sanctioned …. had Hammer done that to Hossa do you REALLY think the same outcome would have occured?
by keepellisingoal on Oct 18, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Hossa absolutely should have been suspended for that play. There’s no question in my mind.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 19, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Wasn’t that in the playoffs? I’m pretty sure Pronger has been suspended in the playoffs before (as has John Tortorella ;) ) so certainly stars can be, but it seems to me like the league is more reluctant to suspend players in the playoffs. Malkin-Zetterberg comes to mind quickly.
by red army line on Oct 19, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Ovechkin and Doan both suspended in the last 8 months, but Avery not suspended for deliberate slashes. It’s inconsistency not a star system.
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by Carl Putnam on Oct 18, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
wow.
i was just kidding with my earlier post. i know the biggest issue is that the NHL refuses to be consistent in its enforcement.
i really didn’t meant to start a conspiracy theory discussion. the only part i actually put legitimate thought into was:
But i still don’t know why the league wouldn’t announce that they are at least reviewing it, they did with hossa’s hit.
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Inconsistency is simultaneously slapping Niklas Hjalmarsson with a two-game suspension for his hit on Jason Pominville and suspending James Wisniewski two games for flipping off Sean Avery
by Hockey Hillbilly on Oct 18, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You and I have different definitions of flipping someone off, but the primary point is a good one.
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 18, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that was really 2 games for embarrassing the league. Like most sports leagues the brand winds up being more important than the individual. I’m not saying its right, I’m just saying that is how it is.
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Agreed. On the other hand, if the league’s embarrassment were the main issue, Sean Avery would be sitting out a season or two.
by Hockey Hillbilly on Oct 18, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant embarrassment outside of the hockey world. :-)
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Nobody is saying Backstrom is the third shooter in the grassy knoll here...
But if you are a Predator fan, you have to begin to wonder if the guys in the head office remember Nashville even has a team? If that makes us conspiracy theorists then so be it. I would love to think all these no-calls are coincidence, but c’mon man…
by TitanPredBearFan on Oct 18, 2010 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
No, I don’t think anyone is saying Baks is, however I think the intimation Gary Bettman or Colin Campbell certainly seems to be going on.
In the absence of logic people go to conspiracy or the invisible hand. I get it. I just think its silly.
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by Carl Putnam on Oct 19, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Can We Drop the "Conspiracy" Talk....
the discussion here is simply why the league isn’t handing out suspensions or (in the case of the hit on Goc apparently) not even looking at the boarding that occured.
Words like “conspiracy” can be a tool to discourage or criticize a discussion without facts. Amazingly, we’re discussing five incidents here (four if you omit what occured with the water bottle and the fan) and no one seems to be saying they each are not an issue. In other words, as Dirk said above, there’s a trend here - in my words, a bunch of incidents. I just don’t get the Hamuis incident either as it was boarding and it looked awful. then we have the Goc issue.
This discussion isn’t the abscence of logic but the opposite. There are too many instances here. One has to wonder. And, like the OV fan, I have my own clear view that the league does take into consideration who the alleged “perp” is - and its completely understandable why they do. That doesn’t make it right but one can understand. And no where does it take a conspiracy to get that.
by keepellisingoal on Oct 19, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Conspiriacy...
Guys… can’t we all just agree that Gary Bettman is a member of a shape-shifting race of reptilian aliens responsible for 9/11 and that the lack of suspensions on dirty plays against the Predators has a lot to do with the fact that we share a name with a movie about aliens that was an attempt to out their existence and that inciting anger in Nashville is all a part of the 2012 doomsday plot when their planet comes back into the solar system and causes massive catastrophes?
Is there an award for longest run-on sentence ever on these boards?
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by Predanooga on Oct 19, 2010 7:56 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Craig Adams hit on Ovechkin
Look at the Craig Adams hit on superstar Ovechkin. To my recollection, I don’t even think Adams got a penalty. I could be wrong though. There was certainly no superstar Ovechkin treatment there. Adams did not get anything for that same boarding hit. Goc skated off the ice and the league and fans did not come to know of his injury till much later. Looking at the history of Bettman’s punishments, had Goc laid on the ice and was carried off in a stretcher, Backstrom would have most certainly received a suspension.
Looks like a hockey play to me, but...
I watched that replay about 10 times. Although Goc never gets the puck when he gets hit, it appears that Backstrom is thinking he will get it, thus the hit to rub him off. He glides into him. To me this is important. Backstrom doesn’t take any extra strides as he lines him up as he glides for quite a while to make the play, so it doesn’t appear to be a blatant attempt to injjure. It is a blind side hit though, so I agree with the boarding. Could have been 5, but I can see the argument for 2. That being said, if it was Ovechkin on the receiving end, I’m sure it would have been 5 and a gamer as I believe there is definately two sets of rules when it comes to the stars and the ones who are not.
Don't be so sure
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by Knee high to a duck on Oct 19, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
They knew what they were doing! It was the only way to beat us!
Lets face it our penalty kill sucked enough WITH Marcel. But WITHOUT him we are hopeless. The hit was dirty because what they were trying to accomplish with the hit; draw penalties by floppin’ around screamin’ bloody murder and exploiting the penalty kill futility.
It was intent to injure plain and simple. It was a blind side cross check into the boards that makes me hurt just thinking about it. Not only should Backstrom been handed a major but he should have been tossed from the game and suspended at LEAST 2 games for that.
Not only did this hit hurt our chances of winning in that game; it hurts our chances of winning several games down the road. Lets face it, our lines were rolling. We were scoring at an average of 3.66 goals a game before Saturdays game. Goc was a big part of that with 3 points in his first 3 games.
It would be a travesty if Nik Backstrom won’t get any corrective action for this vicious hit. And if he doesn’t we should ALL raise hell with letters to Toronto!
Continue to write letters. While you are at it, you should join your HOA so you can be final authority at everything.
by RuskiSi on Oct 19, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can’t believe someone seriously thinks any player with an absolutely clean record before that game a few days ago is so cold and calculating. Heck, Backstrom was arguably the Byng frontrunner in December 2008.
by red army line on Oct 19, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Fantasy Hockey
Bettman picked up Backstrom as his Fantasy Hockey player. He won’t issue any suspension since he needs the points from Backstrom this week to take down Campbell.

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