Nashville trades Ryan Parent & Jonas Andersson to Vancouver for Shane O'Brien and Dan Gendur
by Dirk Hoag on Oct 5, 2010 12:58 PM EDT
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PrintTSN's Bob McKenzie broke the news on Twitter that the Nashville Predators have traded Ryan Parent & Jonas Andersson to the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for veteran defenseman Shane O'Brien and prospect Dan Gendur.
Analysis to follow after the jump as we get the details...
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What Nashville Gets
A physical presence is what you can expect from Shane O'Brien, along with an unfortunately high number of penalties, however. He led the league in Elbowing and Interference penalties last season, and is set to make $1.6 million this season per NHLNumbers.com.
For a team which did such a good job staying out of the penalty box last season, I'll be honest, I don't see what value O'Brien brings to the Nashville defense. He had already cleared waivers earlier this week.
Dan Gendur
Gendur was a 7th-round pick by Vancouver in the 2006 Draft, a right winger who was part of the first round of cuts from the Canucks' training camp. His profile at Hockey's Future doesn't show much to get excited about (thanks to @quietone726 on Twitter for passing that along).
What Nashville Sent Away
Parent had impressed during training camp and preseason games, and appeared to make a good fit alongside Cody Franson. Apparently the Predators wanted a little more beef on the blueline, however.
Jonas Andersson
After returning to North America this fall, Andersson didn't do much to separate himself from the pack and earn an NHL job. With a one-way contract paying him $675,000, he would have made for an expensive Milwaukee Admiral.
Initial Analysis
Given that O'Brien had already cleared waivers without Nashville biting, the only two options remaining to rationalize this deal are (1) getting Gendur included, which wouldn't appear to be a major priority, or (2) getting rid of Jonas Andersson's one-way contract. Combined with Parent, these two would have made $1.525 million this season even with Andersson (as was likely) in the minors.
Instead, the two are swapped by an established NHL player in O'Brien at $1.6 million, although it's an open question as to whether he'll be an asset on the Nashville blueline. I have serious doubts about this.
Vancouver is motivated to get under the salary cap, hence their desire to get rid of O'Brien and immediately put Parent on waivers after acquiring him (they are also sending Andersson to Manitoba), as they can afford to hide salary at the AHL level. But in exchange, couldn't the Predators have gotten something of greater value, such as a mid-round draft pick?
UPDATE: Upon further detailed review, O'Brien may prove to be a worthwhile asset after all.
An excerpt from the Preds' press release follows:
Nashville Predators President of Hockey Operations/General Manager David Poile announced today that the club has acquired defenseman Shane O'Brien and forward Dan Gendur from the Vancouver Canucks in exchange for defenseman Ryan Parent and forward Jonas Andersson.
O'Brien, 27 (8/9/83), appeared in 65 regular-season games for the Canucks a season ago, posting eight points (2g-6a) and 79 penalty minutes, and in all 12 of Vancouver's playoff games registering three points (1g-2a) and 25 penalty minutes. In 299 career NHL contests with Vancouver, Anaheim and Tampa Bay since the 2006-07 campaign, the 6-3, 224-pound blueliner has 55 points (8g-47a) and 605 penalty minutes. The Port Hope, Ont., native was originally drafted 250th overall (eighth round) by the Ducks in the 2003 Entry Draft held at Bridgestone Arena.
Gendur, 23 (5/21/87), split the 2009-10 season between Victoria and Johnstown of the ECHL, combining for 12 points (2g-10a) in 29 games. As a rookie pro in 2008-09, the 5-11, 190-pound winger posted one goal in 10 games with Manitoba (AHL), and 38 points (9g-29a) in 52 contests with Victoria. A native of Vancouver, B.C., Gendur was selected 206th overall (seventh round) by the Canucks in the 2007 Entry Draft.
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WTF??
I like Parent. Can someone please tell me what the hell Poile is thinking? Try to reassure me that this was a good move!!
???
I was just getting ready to get Parents name on the back of my jersey. Glad I waited. Who is next on the trading block? Weber?? Suter? Lombardi?
Still doesn't make sense...
The Predators buried Sulzer’s 650,000 in the AHL last season, and burying Andersson’s 675,000 this season shouldn’t have been an issue either. Losing Andersson also means losing some key depth in the event that either O’Reilly or Kostitsyn fails to find a home in an offensive-oriented top nine (as Seth pointed out on Twitter).
For now, just a strange trade.
David Singleton w/ HockeyIndependent
Losing Andersson
We still have plenty of depth. Goc can move into the top 9 with ease. Dumont can move to the 2nd line with Wilson at center. Trotz still has several moves he can make. Andersson wasn’t going to crack the top 9 unless he was on a line with Legs and Ward.
OK …. we make Andersson our 1 July “big announcement” FA signing and trade for, then sign Parent …. only to trade them away for SOB (quite appropriate initials) between our final pre-season game and opening night.
I’m officially very confused by this move.
The Moose just became an even more dangerous team.
Hmmm...
This is a head scratcher.
Christie kicks it high and short...Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25...He dishes it back to Wycheck...He throws it across the field to Dyson...
www.manningface.com
by Michaeltastic on Oct 5, 2010 1:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If the coach stays on top of SOB and keeps him out of the local bars, you have a more physical and much-improved defenceman who can log bigger minutes if he keeps his head out of his ass. We saw a lot of improvement in his play over the past year. He was a cap casualty to us.
Nucks Misconduct
"Here goes nothin'" - Han Solo
We’ve been pretty hard on SOB for some obvious reasons, but considering Nashville cranks out quality defensemen left and right, I assume you guys can keep him under control. If so, you’ll definitely get a big player who will can give you decent third pairing minutes, maybe second pairing if he improves.
Just got to keep his PIMs in check. He lead the league two seasons ago and last year was the worst at penalty +/-. Remove that problem and he’s a good addition.
'Nucks Misconduct - Housing Swedish Millionaires Since 2000.
by Yankee Canuck on Oct 5, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I usually trust in Poile...
I’m not a big fan of giving up Parent who I like alot, that being said I am sure their is a method to Poiles madness. The better question is why didn’t they just pluck him off waivers to begin with and still keep Parent. Maybe Poile believes he can claim Parent back off waivers, and therefore gave up basicalll Andersson for O’brien and a prospect. I guess we shall see how it shakes out. At first glance its not promising But I believe Poile has enough leeway to let it play out over time.
Pluck him off waivers...
That’s what I was thinking. We help their salary situation and bring back the player we just traded (assuming no other team picks up Parent). Then what do we do with O’Brien? I think there is another chapter to this story.
I trust David Poile with my sporting life; but this is just strange. In a vacuum, I’d rather have Parent than O’Brien (especially since he was drafted into the system and just went through camp); and Andersson had at least some potential.
Seems like at the least a lateral move and at worst a backwards one. Unless O’Brien has something in the tank I’ve never seen, this is not a better Nashville Predators team today.
Don't forget
He’s an enforcer too. So if he can put in quality minutes at D, and enforce, then we can play Belak less thereby keeping the scoring lines intact from night to night.
I like the move…and there IS a need to have an enforcer on your team.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 5, 2010 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
BTW
Kinda like the interactions we’ve had with Philly, maybe “future considerations” will be involved in this trade.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 5, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s not really an enforcer, so much as a Weber-type fighter who can drop ’em when necessary.
If he proves similar in ability to Parent and keeps Weber from fighting; then we’ll have won the deal.
That's what I expect from him
He’s not the classic enforcer, but he’ll drop the gloves against anyone, which is a valuable asset to have on your team. And he’s considerably more experienced at fighting than Weber so a better alternative against a badass during the heat of the moment.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 5, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
30 fights
He is more than a Weber-type fighter. He has dropped the gloves 30 times in the last 4 regular seasons according to hockeyfights.com.
While I don’t like losing Parent, if SOB allows Belak to stay in the pressbox or even better be waived then I will gladly take it. Does concern me that we lost arguably our best pure shutdown d man.
What are the chances that Poile puts in a claim for Parent?
Parent
Yeah, I hope we re-claim him off waivers! This was clearly just a move by Vancouver to dump salary.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 5, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
One other thing...
…is that I believe he only had 1 or 2 at the most fights last year, showing 1) more discipline and 2) that he actually fought more like 10x per year in the previous three year span. He’s got EXPERIENCE!
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 5, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, you are correct.
1,9,6,14 regular season fights (09-10, 08-09, 07-08, 06-07 seasons)
From what I could see Boogard and Bradley are the biggest “name” fighting opponents and those happened in 06-07. He has fought guys like Burish, Brown, and Tarnasky recently but no heavy weights.
That's OK
In our scenario, its just as important to have a guy “fly the colors” as it is to pull out a whoopin’ like Belak did to Brashear two years ago. And, he WILL go to battle against the goons which is most important. Furthermore, somebody made a great observation that maybe he’ll be able to stand up for HornQ when he’s getting abused in front of the net after a play…that would be a nice change.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 5, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
SOB > Belak this much I can assure you. And if his role is clearly defined to him that he needs to fight then he will do so.
Nucks Misconduct
"Here goes nothin'" - Han Solo
by Sean Zandberg on Oct 5, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Not understanding this move
I thought Parent was Poile’s guy, since we traded to get him back and then signed him to a new deal. SOB does add some toughness to the blueline, so maybe it’s to protect guys like Hornqvist when he’s getting facewashed all game. Other than that I can’t think of what made Poile pull the trigger on this move. Parent seemed to have had a pretty decent preseason. Hopefully this move will work out in the end, but right now I am just not seeing it.
As my friend said...
Seems like a classic David Poile freakout. He has gotten us this far, so I will give it a shot.
Other aspect that hasn't gotten mentioned
Is this a precursor for the complete split of Weber and Suter? One could make the argument that Parent was our best defensive d man, so does Suter and Weber have to be split to make up for the lose?
SOB
serves 2 purposes if he is sucessful here. big body to tangle w/ thornton, marleau, bertuzzi, getzlaf, etc. will drop the gloves so weber should nearly never have to. toots isnt big enough to do it all and belak never dresses. im just not sure why we didnt just take him on waivers and trade parent and anderson for a lousy pick or anything. maybe we felt someone else would claim him.
If Polies plan was to get him back on waivers and the nucks knew this, then what would be the reason to put him into the trade.
We dump 2 bad contracts for one...although SOB is ALREADY a proven NHL Dman!
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 5, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. SOB has proven he can play at the NHL level. He was improving towards the later part of the season for us and as Sean said was a cap casualty and was in the coaches dog house from day 1 didn’t help his cause. I wouldn’t expect more than a bottom pairing out of him but he didn’t look too bad when he had top 4 minutes with us when injuries hit Vancouver. I’m a bit sad to see him go especially since we still have Alberts on the active roster.
maybe his size
and attitude will help keep others from roughing up some of our boy’s. i really have not seen Belak do much. who knows maybe if he works out and this year we all might be chanting…
" SOB SOB SOB SOB"!!!!!!! or " LET’S GO SOB … CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP!!! or if he gets in a fight, over the sound system they can play AC/DC’s “don’t mess with a son of a b.” and if he is a complete bust, we just send the SOB to MIlwaukee….ha ha ha.. just kidding guys..
That'll work...
…I like the AC/DC idea a lot! It’ll go great with Iron Man and I like it, I love it…
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 6, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW...
…the name of the song is “Hair of the Dog” by Nazareth :)
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 6, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
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