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Predators fumble away 3-goal lead in Toronto

TORONTO - NOVEMBER 16:  The Toronto Maple Leafs celebrate a 2nd period goal against the Nashville Predators during game action at the Air Canada Centre November 16 2010 in Toronto Ontario Canada. (Photo by Abelimages/Getty Images)

"We weren't working hard, we let our foot off the gas. There's no excuse for it, we just took stupid penalties."   - Shea Weber's post-game remarks, per Chris Johnston of the Canadian Press.

Holding onto leads has been a sore spot for the Nashville Predators so far this year, with overtime losses to Washington and Pittsburgh, and a regulation loss to Phoenix all having come after the Preds led in the third period (and no, we won't mention Game Five in the playoffs, will we? Oops, just did). Tonight in Toronto, however, they may have sunk to a new low in this regard.

After leading 4-1 early in the 2nd period against a Maple Leafs team that was mired in an 8-game losing streak, the Predators melted down in spectacular fashion. From that moment (a shorthanded goal by Marcel Goc), they took five consecutive penalties and allowed four power play goals. Within just 12:03, they had turned a 4-1 advantage into a 5-4 deficit, on their way to a humiliating defeat before a stunned Toronto crowd.

Follow after the jump, if you dare, for the video highlights and a whole lot more...

Star-divide

The Preds head out on another long road trip before returning to Bridgestone Arena Wednesday, November 24 against the St. Louis Blues, so use the OtF discount to save money on Nashville Predators tickets for this, or any other home game. Remember, Preds tickets can make a great holiday gift, so look through the schedule, and pick out a game!

Predators vs Maple Leafs boxscore

First, the video highlights...


  • Have you seen a worse period of Nashville Predators hockey than that dreadful 2nd? 6 penalties, 4 PP goals against, and a 3-goal lead given away. Perhaps it was even made worse by the expectation set up over the course of the 1st.
  • Watching the Sportsnet feed out of Toronto is always a hoot. During the first intermission, the studio talk was how Shea Weber probably wants out of Nashville, and that David Poile will need to trade him at the deadline since he can't afford to keep him.
  • There will naturally be complaining about the officiating when the penalty minutes end up 16-4 in Toronto's favor, but the Preds can't blame the refs for this. After all, there was a controversial "no goal" call that could have easily given the Leafs another score.
  • The Predators did have their chance to get back in this game, as they outshot the Leafs 14-5 in the final period and even had two power play opportunities. Even with a cold goalie coming in (J.S. Giguerre suffered a groin pull, forcing Jonas Gustavsson into the game) they couldn't put away that tying goal.
  • I've been very critical of Pekka Rinne's play lately, but wouldn't hang the blame for tonight's game on him. He had no chance on most of those goals.
  • So who does get the goat horns? It's hard to pick just one. There were so many bad penalties, such horrible penalty killing, and the 3rd period PP was often discombobulated. As someone (can't recall who, either in the OtF Game Thread or on @Predfans) observed, during that last PP the fivesome of Sullivan-O'Reilly-Hornqvist with Suter & Weber played the entire 2:00, and I'm sorry folks, but we don't have Kovalchuk or Ovechkin-like talent that needs to do that. A fresher crew on the second half of that PP might have made the difference.
  • Is the sky falling? No, it's an 82 game season, and into each long campaign one of these games is sure to pop up. ONE. That's it, guys, you've used it up. Now make up for this mess Thursday at Montreal.

Here are the even-strength stats, for what they're worth...

 Even Strength Individual Totals Team Totals While Player Is On Ice
 Player Pos EV TOI Shots Shts Blkd Missed Shts Blocks SOG For SOG Ag SOG +/- Tot SF Tot SA Corsi
 Patric Hornqvist R 16:05 1 1 1 0 7 3 +4 12 11 +1
 Cal O'Reilly C 15:31 1 0 0 1 6 3 +3 10 10 0
 David Legwand C 14:19 4 0 0 0 12 7 +5 18 12 +6
 Steve Sullivan L 13:04 3 0 0 0 5 3 +2 9 9 0
 Martin Erat R 12:44 1 1 0 0 5 5 0 11 11 0
 Marcel Goc C 12:39 2 0 0 0 6 4 +2 11 13 -2
 Jordin Tootoo R 10:55 3 1 0 1 9 6 +3 13 11 +2
 J-P Dumont R 10:54 3 0 0 0 6 6 0 9 12 -3
 Colin Wilson C 10:16 0 0 0 0 5 2 +3 9 5 +4
 Joel Ward R 9:36 1 1 0 0 9 6 +3 12 9 +3
 Sergei Kostitsyn L 8:00 1 1 0 0 4 1 +3 9 5 +4
 Jerred Smithson R 6:43 0 1 0 0 1 2 -1 6 7 -1
 Kevin Klein D 18:02 0 0 0 3 8 4 +4 15 17 -2
 Francis Bouillon D 17:04 0 3 1 4 9 3 +6 17 15 +2
 Ryan Suter D 16:14 1 1 0 0 8 6 +2 12 14 -2
 Shea Weber D 15:45 2 2 0 4 8 6 +2 12 13 -1
 Cody Franson D 14:01 2 1 2 0 9 6 +3 16 9 +7
 Shane O'Brien D 12:54 0 0 1 1 8 7 +1 14 11 +3

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That Weber discussion was ABSURD. Those guys are clowns though. No one with a brain takes them seriously.

And yes, please crush Montreal.

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by PPP on Nov 16, 2010 10:21 PM EST reply actions  

Nick Kypreos is definitely a genius.

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by Chemmy on Nov 16, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He talked about how RFA’s are the new UFA’s because UFA’s are all getting signed to long-term deals. But how many pending RFA’s get moved, other than Kessel in 2009, and Penner a couple years before that?

I listen to the Hockey Central show’s podcast, and it’s one facepalm-inducing moment after another between he and MacLean.

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by Dirk Hoag on Nov 16, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll be honest with you here...

…we need to sign Weber before I believe he’s gonna be here long term. It’d be a huge PR problem if we don’t sign him, but maybe he does wanna go back home and play in Canada? Hamhuis did it…

I REALLY want us to sign Weber long term, and those jokers in Toronto don’t know the answer any better than you and me do. On the other hand, he will be restricted so we’ll get an awful lot of picks for him. Maybe it’d be good for Toronto to sign him…then we could draft 3 top 10 offensive talents and make Suter the captain? Just something to think about…although I want Weber to stay cause he’s the face of the franchise.

And Dirk, my complements to you for FINALLY being critical of the Preds performance. While you didn’t call anybody out by name, I dare suggest that means you’re getting onto the Fire Trotz bandwagon? Just kidding…kind of, but not really.

How crappy are our special teams? And it’s been this bad for well over a year now. That’s a direct reflection of coaching. And if Trotz is so great, how come nobody ever hires his assistants? Cause they suck too. I want Trotz gone, and I want for both the assistants to be gone too. I would not be in favor of firing Trotz only to hire one of his assistants.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 17, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

do me a favor

Pay real close attention to the islanders this year.

"It's gonna be fun on the bun."

by flyalder on Nov 17, 2010 12:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Well if you’re going to pick and choose like that then firing a coach has almost no downside. Lol

"It's gonna be fun on the bun."

by flyalder on Nov 17, 2010 1:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No cheap shots flyalder...

…Trotz is sucking up the joint. Besides, we’d spend the three picks on defensemen anyway and then bury them in the minors for the next 4 years and that’s why I’d just assume keep Weber. Note, I do want Weber to stay, I’m just saying that there’s SOME upside here too!

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 17, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

The Predators comepletely deserved to be embarrassed like that...

I’m hoping that this game will have the same effect that the San Jose debacle had last year…

Christie kicks it high and short...Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25...He dishes it back to Wycheck...He throws it across the field to Dyson...

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by Michaeltastic on Nov 16, 2010 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

Could end up being a silver lining, yea. But wow.

by Chris Burton on Nov 16, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

God I hope so

but right now I see no silver lining.

by ablairnash on Nov 16, 2010 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember that horrible, horrible game...

…but I don’t remember what came of it. Of what “effect” are you speaking?

by LuvthePreds on Nov 17, 2010 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I am a Wilson fan but...

I realize that Bardo and Erat’s injuries left Wilson without a line, but what has he done?
I want the kid to be successful, but maybe a trip to Milwaukee and 17+ TOI a night will do more for him than 4th line minutes. Or even better would be to put Ward (outside of Bardo he has been the biggest disappoint for me this season) were he belongs on the 4th and let Wilson play with Legs and JP.

Go figure the night we get two assists from Legs and a shortie (can’t remember the last time we had one of those) we get beat.

PS Anybody else think we might be getting a Spaling sighting on Thursday.

by wrandsw on Nov 16, 2010 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

If thats what the pk does without Spaling, I’d definitely sit Kostitsyn for Nick.

by Chris Burton on Nov 16, 2010 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I have both Rinne and MacArthur

both of them screwed me in my fantasy stats

by preds4ever on Nov 16, 2010 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

money quote

Good to see Barry isn’t sugar coating things tonight:

“We gave them momentum by taking penalty after penalty,” Trotz said. "When are we going to learn? You have a team down and out, we had them on the floor gasping for air and we let them off the mat.

by Chris Burton on Nov 16, 2010 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

At the time

when it was 3-0 I said don’t drop the gloves and give them any momentum, but after the fact now I am not so sure that it wouldn’t have been the best thing to happen.

by wrandsw on Nov 16, 2010 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry did anyone see the endless stream of penalties?

Were they warranted? Penalty killers… where are they at right now?

by preds4ever on Nov 16, 2010 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

Biggest problem I saw with the PK was the inability to get the puck cleared when we had opportunities. Seemed like each PK (even the ones they didn’t score) there was at least one chance to clear the puck and they couldn’t do it.

by wrandsw on Nov 16, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

There were some questionable calls...

where they barely touched, but that’s still no excuse.

by DonBorvio on Nov 16, 2010 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Such a wasted opportunity

I think we had a chance to win all 4 of these road games and make up some ground. Coming off 2 good wins we crap it away. I just hope this motivates us to play harder.

by ablairnash on Nov 16, 2010 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

This team will not make the playoffs

This crap has been going on all year. Sorry pp, sorry pk, sorry goaltending, sorry coaching.

by shoot the puck on Nov 16, 2010 11:57 PM EST reply actions  

made the playoffs last year

and had a worse start then this. Like chris says: It’s an 82 game season, and far from over.

i had the same thought last year. i was actually wishing the preds would throw in the towel and go for as early a draft pick as possible. But was pleasantly surprised.

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by flyalder on Nov 17, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not satisfied with making the playoffs...

…I wanna win a round our two, or three or four.

Trotz and his assistants are sorry. Laughable PP, laughable PK all because of laughable coaching. And don’t forget that last year we STARTED poorly. This year we started great and have regressed. I hope we turn it around, but seriously, what do we have that makes you optimistic that we can? Only thing I can think of is goaltending, but when the PP and PK are as bad as they are, we’re gonna be going against the wind.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 17, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

God, Debbie Downer...

Every single post from you is like, “Oh, well, there they go sucking again.” With that attitude, I’m surprised you haven’t hung yourself from the rafters of Bridgestone Arena.

Yeah, they suck lately. They know it, we know it, everybody knows it. But you don’t have to be such a cynical turd.

by emzee on Nov 17, 2010 12:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Asshole, if you don’t it like stay with the Flyers.

by shoot the puck on Nov 17, 2010 1:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m defending the Preds. You’re the one that bashes them every chance you get. Take a hike, fairweather.

by emzee on Nov 18, 2010 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Me, Fairweather?

I’ve been going to Predators games since 2001 and have been a season ticket holder for 3 years. But when they suck I’m going to say so, which makes me no different than the dozens of other fans who also voice their opinions, positive and negative, on this site. No, fairweather is someone like you who “roots” for multiple teams in the same sport.

By the way, your profile image is really classy.

by shoot the puck on Nov 19, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Even though the Leafs won, I can’t help but feel condolences for you guys; blowing a lead is something we’re all just too familiar with.

At the very least, I hope this is the spark the Leafs needed to wake up and string together a hot streak, and not just a one-win flash in the pan.

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by FiftyMissionCap on Nov 17, 2010 12:09 AM EST reply actions  

So, that was obviously a hell of a great game for us and a root canal for you guys, but I want to wish the Preds luck in the future. Definitley one of my favourite non-Leaf teams. Crush those Habs!

Also, the Sportsnet guys are nobs, especially Watters. Here’s hoping the Nashville organization can put the money together to lock up that defensive corp** and actually spend to the cap when it’s time to make a run, because if they can this team will be something to see.

**Exception: if Shea Weber would come to Toronto than to hell you;)

by samspade on Nov 17, 2010 1:38 AM EST reply actions  

LOL!

I loved that. Made me feel a bet better on an otherwise horrible morning after. Thanks dude!

by ablairnash on Nov 17, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I am tired of having a young team. Unfortunately, as long as we don’t have any money, I think we will always have a young team.

I thought Klein had turned a corner, but I think I may have been premature in that assessment. He has been at the center of some pretty serious gaffes lately. It reminds me too much of his play last season.

by 29thWard on Nov 17, 2010 6:44 AM EST reply actions  

I am confused

as to why if forwards do something wrong or have a few bad games they get scratched or TOI reduced, but where as Klein’s play has been IMO horrible the last couple of games he kinda stays put. All of you please feel free to correct me, Klein is my Zidlicky so he is my whipping boy.

by ablairnash on Nov 17, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s because our depth at defense isn’t very good. It pains me to say that, because our franchise has been drafting mostly defensive players in the 1st and 2nd round for the better part of a decade.

by 29thWard on Nov 17, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I am almost to the point of scratch him and put in Sultzer or call Blum up. Hell even put Belak in on defense in his place. Zidlicky…errr..umm..Klein is killing me.

by ablairnash on Nov 17, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure Sulzer is any better than Klein.

I’d love to see Blum. The only bad thing is that there will be lots of growing pains for him at 1st. Defense in the NHL is just plain tough.

by 29thWard on Nov 17, 2010 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

How bout bringing up Blum?

That’d make some sense although Poile and Trotz would look pretty stupid for wasting 1.3 million a year on Klein, so they won’t.

Oh, and Sulzer isn’t as bad as Klein either…maybe give him a shot? He’s been protected on the 3rd D pairing though so maybe he’d be a gamble at the #2 pairing?

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 17, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

If its the experience thing can we trade Klein and get Parent back? Yaaay then Vancouver can have 2 and 8 or would that be considered an act of terrorism. I do not want homeland security coming after me. LOL!

by ablairnash on Nov 17, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

PIVOTAL MOMENTS and other musings...

I believe there were 2 plays that were pivotal to the demise of our Nashville Predators in Toronto last night.

The 1st was Giguere’s save on Steve Sullivan’s breakaway. I believe if Sullivan scores there, it is the death nail. By stopping that goal it showed that Giguere was still in it. I honestly believe it was what is known as a GAME CHANGER. Just a minute later Schenn scored off the momentum of that enormous save. Instead of going into the locker room down 4 to 0, the team got a boost by going in 3 to 1 having scored a late period goal. The ability of Giguere to make that big save is also something Nashville has been lacking this season. Sometimes you have to depend on your goalie, cause teams are going to get chances. It just seems like Pekka hasn’t been coming up with those kinds of saves this season.

The 2nd pivotal play was Kevin Klein’s delay of game penalty at the end of the 1st 5 on 3. At this point in the game we are up 4 to 1 and had managed to score a shortie. This could have easily been the death nail as well. However, our guys just killed a penalty and a brief 5 on 3. At this point, Klein finds the puck on his stick. If he slams that puck down the ice, instead of lazily dumping it over the glass, we only have to kill a 5 on 4 PP. Keep in mind we were still up 4 to 1 at this point. I believe we could have easily killed off that PP, cause going into the game Toronto’s PP was one of a few in the league that was even worse than ours. It was basically a domino effect after that and we all know what the end result was.

Regarding special teams: I can’t express enough how truly disappointed I am in the fact that we have not improved in either PP or PK whatsoever. One could argue that we have actually regressed in those departments. All we heard from the coaches going into the season was how that was a main focus. It is time to bring in a special teams coach from the outside. Someone who is a specialist and works exclusively on that part of the game.

We were once again our own worst enemy, because the Toronto Maple leafs didn’t out play us otherwise and are in fact incapable of doing so.

by 29thWard on Nov 17, 2010 9:58 AM EST reply actions  

Totally agree

Especially with the the 3rd point.

by ablairnash on Nov 17, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

We were once again our own worst enemy, because the Toronto Maple leafs didn’t out play us otherwise and are in fact incapable of doing so.

By the same token, not a single Predators goal came by way of anything other than horrible Leafs’ mistakes.

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by PPP on Nov 17, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent point. Incompetence is in the eye of the beholder.

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by Dirk Hoag on Nov 17, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Last night's game

was quite the disappointment. Seems like these boys can’t get a win on the road lately. From what I saw from last night and previous games, Rinne definately has a weak glove side, and opponents are taking advantage of it. I hope Mitch can work with him on that. One again, PP and PK are , to borrow a term from yesterday – WOEFUL. I’m in agreement with 29th Ward – time to bring in a special teams coach from the outside. Results from last year as well as this year – the current special teams coach does not have what it takes to get the results. Last night our team beat themselves with stupid penalties – and I also think underestimating the Leafs, as well as a guy on that team named Versteeg … But like it has been said – it’s an 82 game season and far from over.

by XVIII on Nov 17, 2010 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

On a lighter note

Toronto favorite Wade Belak is quoted in today’s National Post regarding his role as a volunteer fireman: “…if Sean Avery were on fire, I wouldn’t piss on him to put it out.”

by Hockey Hillbilly on Nov 17, 2010 11:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

As was noticed, we had a worst start last season, and I’m thinking that we have this kind of start just about every season. Why?? only the hockey gods know. Anyway, Trotz needs to up his intensity level-he does have one, doesn’t he?-and come down hard on these boys. They don’t need no momma coddling and inspirational talk. They don’t need a “let’s move on and put this one in the trash bin” kind of talk. They need to be made to watch this game every day for the next month! Then, just maybe, they will understand what they have to do to win a Stanley. Trotz gets paid a lot of money to make teams champions and the players get paid lots to make themselves champions. BOTH OF YOU EARN YOUR MONEY!!!

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by amyinsparta on Nov 17, 2010 12:29 PM EST reply actions  

Flirtin with disaster

You can’t keep saying that we did it last year so that means we are going to be doing it this year come back from a bad start. We hope it works like that but this team is different than last year’s team. We are less three veterans from last year. That in itself says alot but not everything. But you won’t make the playoffs if our special teams aren’t fixed and in a hurry. This is the second year in a row that our pk has suffered and I can’t count how many years it has been for pp. Your not going to make the playoffs or go deep into the playoffs unless this is fixed. I’m sure Trotz and coaches are trying to do their best but that’s the point their solutions have played out. Why wasn’t there an asst. coach change because Trotz is loyal to his people. Well loyalty doesn’t get it done it the job isn’t working.

by roseyc on Nov 17, 2010 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

Thank You!!!

That is what I am screaming. Loyalty is great however that is not fixing our special teams. I am sure Trotz is yelling till he is blue in the face about this, but the players do not seem to be buying what he is selling. We at LEAST need to bring in a special teams coach. We are not going to go very far with our PP and PK in shambles.

by ablairnash on Nov 17, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

i had to quit watching this game before it was over.

my blood pressure was getting way to high LOL.. whenever we get a lead early in the game i always get a sick stomach. i just feel like we are going to give the game away somehow. am i the only one who feels this way?. we have to get a better special teams coach. who would we get. something has to be done.

by bluegrassbaby on Nov 17, 2010 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

Gelinas for PP coach

Have been saying this for a long time. Possibly someone new on the PK as well. I love Petersen but this has got to stop. Plus Weber needs to straighten some of our boys out from taking stupid penalties. That’s his job to mind the flock, well, freakin mind it already. I hate to say it, but if Trotz and Co. stated that the PP and PK would be worked on from the get-go this summer and this is what we get, then it might just be time for a wholesale change, and I really don’t like typing this sentiment.

by HardCorePredFan316 on Nov 17, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Anybody dude, anybody...

And what’ do you love about Peterson? I’ve been here 5 years, a Pred fan the whole time, and I don’t know a single thing that Peterson or Horacek have EVER done. Literally, I don’t know what they’ve ever done…what’s to love about him?

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 17, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Dunno, good question...

I guess it’s the sympathy vote because of his condition, but you’re right, they haven’t done much to improve upon what we do on either PP or PK. Gelinas is well respected and I think he would make a great assistant coach, if not head coach some day in the near future. Anybody up for putting Crispy behind the bench?

by HardCorePredFan316 on Nov 17, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn!!

I was thinking the same thing. Gelinas as Head Coach and Crispy as an assistant. Sweet!!!

by ablairnash on Nov 17, 2010 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Everybody asks “If you were to fire Trotz who would you replace him with?” Well there is a suggestion.

by ablairnash on Nov 17, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It's well known...

That Gelinas doesn’t want a role bigger than what he has now due to the fact that he has young children at home in Calgary that he doesn’t want to leave.

He’s being groomed to coach, but at a slower pace till his children grow up and he decides to take the next step.

The players also would struggle to take Crisp seriously having had a totally different relationship with him the past 11 seasons.

Coaching isn’t the problem. Peterson was a top candidate to become a head coach before he was diagnosed with Parkinson’s and is highly respected around the league for his coaching abilities. Brent won a Memorial Cup as the head coach in Portland before joining the Preds and had a long NHL career before that.

Peter Horacek won a Turner Cup as head coach in Orlando before joining the Preds. He’s incredibly well-versed, well-read, and extremely dedicated to his job.

This team has not tuned out the coaches. They will get through this together. They held a lengthy team meeting today in Montreal to sort things out and clear the air and hopefully they emerge stronger from it. Only time will tell, but I think Poile would be better suited making a player personnel change before firing the coaching staff or disrupting the whole team by adding someone either in anymore than a consultant role…

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by Seth Lake on Nov 18, 2010 1:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Seth, I respect your opinion very much

however, its hard for me to believe that the coaches are not a part of the problem.

by ablairnash on Nov 18, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't say they weren't...

My point was that firing the coaches isn’t necessarily in the best long-term interests of the franchise right now. Sure, you might get a short term gain, but you’re setting the franchise up for a rebuild to get a new coach players that fit his system(s) and essentially killing all the positive momentum we have going off the ice right now.

Recently I think you can point to St. Louis and Ottawa as examples of teams that have had success firing their head coach and bringing in their unproven AHL coach, but both teams have a history of changing coaches. In St. Louis they are a young team with a lot of guys that Payne had coached in Peoria on the roster now at the NHL level and in Ottawa it was more of a culture shock to wake up the vets and get everyone working on the same page, but Bryan Murray was also there to guide Clouston and tell the players this is how it’s gonna be.

Our situation is unique and unless you want to go through another rebuild right now with no promises of success in the future…I think you look elsewhere besides just immediately calling for the heads of the coaching staff.

If I’m Poile I’m looking for a way to make a deal to fit Spaling into the lineup nightly for his PK skills and maybe also considering calling up Begin from Milwaukee for the same. I’m also considering sending Wilson to the minors for a brief stint to get this accomplished and to get him on the right track again.

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by Seth Lake on Nov 18, 2010 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Actually, I did...

Sorry, I just re-read my initial post where I said, “Coaching isn’t the problem.” I didn’t mean to say it exactly as it’s reads, but was rather trying to say coaching isn’t the No. 1 problem.

I just don’t understand these freight trains that get rolling when someone says “fire the coaches!” and people jump on board, then someone throws out something that sounds great, but has isn’t really plausible and everyone jumps on that and the cycle continues.

I have no ties to Trotz, Peterson, or Horachek. I was very close to saying I thought that they might have lost the team and needed to go last season, but that was when Laviolette was still available and ultimately the team immediately showed signs of turning it around in the next game and got things turned around and accomplished immediately after that.

I’m just saying now is not the time for the “Fire Trotz” bandwagon, but I’m not saying that day won’t ever come…

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by Seth Lake on Nov 18, 2010 12:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think part of the problem is that we don’t have visibility on a regular basis to what each coach is doing/responsible for as opposed to football, where you have very specialized coaches for various elements of the team. Also, the local media (blogs included) doesn’t delve enough into X’s and O’s to make it apparent what’s being done here, how it compares to what other teams are doing, and how that impacts the Preds’ fortunes.

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by Dirk Hoag on Nov 18, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Forgot to finish

…and without that kind of detail, “fire the coach” becomes an easy button to push.

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by Dirk Hoag on Nov 18, 2010 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Seth, I appreciate your contributions to OTF, but you're a HOMER and homerism is all you ever do...

…Peterson and Horacek suck. If they were worth their weight in salt, then why haven’t they been hired by another team? That’s right cause they’re shitty coaches. Nobody seriously wants Crispy and just cause Gelinas isn’t interested according to you that’s not the point. The point is that we as fans don’t have to come up with competent coaches to replace Trotz, that would be Poile’s job. And I’m sure thta nobody would want to replace Trotz with another crappy coach like Peterson who would probably be as bad as Trotz ever was. I’m sure they’re all good fellas, but they’re crappy coaches, the whole lot of them. Evidence:

Santorelli (FLA): 6 goals in 19 games…more than any Pred
Peverley (ATL): last year, 55 pts, more than any Pred; this year, 12 pts, would be one pt behind O’reilly.
Arnott (NJD): 8g and 4a; one pt behind O’reilly and more goals than any player we have.
Ryan Jones (EDM): 4g on the 4th line in EDMONTON…the worst team in hockey. More than any of our 4th liners AND would be tied for 4th in goals on the Preds.
Wilson and Dumont: Some of the few + players we have that still only get ~12 minutes a game of ice time.

Not like we need offense or anything.

Fact is that Trotz and his moronic coaches wouldn’t know what to do with talent if it jumped on their lap and called them MAMA!!!

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 25, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

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