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The Sergei Kostitsyn gambit: an early appraisal

At the very least, SK74 has provided the gang at PredsBlog with some comedic material.

One of the more interesting storylines heading into this season for the Nashville Predators was the acquisition of Sergei Kostitsyn from Montreal, in exchange for the rights of two pending free agents (Dan Ellis & Dustin Boyd) who the Preds weren't going to re-sign. Often at the center of controversy in Montreal, the thinking was that a fresh start in Nashville might get him back on the track towards a regular job as a talented winger at the NHL level.


Sergei Kostitsyn

#74 / Left Wing / Nashville Predators

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Mar 20, 1987



GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2010 - Sergei Kostitsyn 12 2 1 3 -4 2 0 0 0 7

With the Predators heading into the Bell Centre for a matchup with the Habs tonight, this marks a natural point to see where things stand. So follow after the jump as we take a look at how SK74 is working out so far as a Nashville Predator...

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The trade was, at the time, met with a wide variety of opinions among Nashville fans. The fact that Kostitsyn had once scored 131 points in an OHL season provided hope that desperately-needed offensive talent had been found on the cheap, while others saw a problem child who seemed to lack the qualities of character which the Nashville Predators proclaim as essential. The team's chief amateur scout, Jeff Kealty, spoke about how a hockey player's character is demonstrated in a 2009 interview leading into the Entry Draft:

It can be identified several different ways. Maybe a player who's been injured and persevered, or a player who has been cut, or not as heralded coming up, but has proven to be hell-bent and determined to prove everyone wrong. It could be a guy who always rises to the occasion when a game is on the line... those are the guys you really want to have, the guys that have won championships. Can they play through adversity? Can they handle it when the pressure gets turned up?    

Now ask yourself, is SK74 someone who sounds like he meets those criteria? Remember, this is the guy who refused to report to the AHL and demanded a trade after he missed a team bus and Jacques Martin demoted him. Already this year there was the incident in Anaheim on November 7 where he was scratched, and during the pre-game radio show it was said that it was due to his missing a team meeting. This was quickly re-communicated as an "internal matter", but the scratch was telling considering the fact that he had been producing on the ice at the time (with a goal and assist in the previous two games), while the Preds were incredibly short-staffed at the time due to injuries.

There's a whiff of smoke around that story, plain and simple.

Kostitsyn has played in all three games since then, although his ice time is all over the map. Last Thursday at St. Louis, he got a season-high 16:30, but that was followed with a season-low 6:59 against Chicago on Saturday (he played 8:43 in Toronto Tuesday). Since Martin Erat has returned to the lineup, Sergei has been relegated to 4th-line duty centered by Jerred Smithson.

Some 5-on-5 Behind the Net data from the last two seasons might give us a little insight as to how he's being used, and what his results are:

5v5 TOI/G Pts/60 Relative Corsi Shots/60 PDO  Qual Comp Qual Team
2009-10 (47 GP, 7G 11A, +4) 11:45 1.85 (6/14) -2.2 (10/14) 5.64 (12/14)  1033 (1/14)  0.051 (6/14) 0.023 (7/14)
2010-11 (12 GP, 2G, 1A, -4) 9:42 1.55 (10/13) -0.7 (9/13) 3.61 (12/13)  976 (11/13)  -0.068 (10/13) -0.288 (12/13)

Most of these stats should be familiar to regular readers here, but the new one I've tossed into this discussion is PDO. In a nutshell, PDO represents the shooting percentage for a team while a given player is on the ice, added to his team's save percentage. The idea here is that individual players have almost no influence on overall team shooting & save percentages, so these values should hang right around the 1000 mark. Anything higher than that is a sign that the bounces went his way over that duration, and low numbers show he just didn't get "the breaks". 

Next to each of the stats is SK's ranking among the regular forwards on that respective team. So, for example, his Points/60 rate was 6th-best among the 14 regular Montreal forwards last season. What jumps out to me here is that PDO number, which suggests that his goal-oriented results in 2009-10 (the +4 Plus/Minus, for example, and his scoring totals, which all came at even-strength) were in some part attributable to luck.

Consider - when Kostitsyn was on the ice last year in 5-on-5 play, the Canadiens were outshot 31.3-24.3 per 60 minutes of play, but actually came out ahead on the scoreboard, 23-20. That's because they happened to score on over 10% of their shots - a fluky value that bounces up or down from around the 8% mark. In case you think that's a trifling difference, consider the volume:

47 Games Played * 11.76 Minutes/G * 24.3 Shots For / 60 = 224 shots for by the Canadiens in 5-on-5 while SK74 played. On the shots against side, 288. That lofty PDO value benefited Kostitsyn somewhere in neighborhood of 4-8 goals to the good. Take those away to get a more balanced view of his contributions, and that Plus/Minus slips below water, and that 18 points in 47 games looks more like 15. Whoopee.

And no, I don't believe there's anything magical about his play that suggests he can repeat that level of PDO in the future. The previous season he was in the ballpark (but for the opposite reason, goaltending instead of shooting). This year's number is on the low side, so we can give a small boost to his middling results so far, but there's little to suggest that this is a difference-making player for the Predators.

There are, perhaps, two excuses one might pull out. The first, a broken toe that bothered him at the start of the season and caused him to miss two games. Since his return to action a month ago this hasn't been mentioned by the team at all - hence, no excuse. Secondly we have the issue of how he's being used, and there perhaps we have something.

Outside of the briefest of cameos, Sergei has toiled mostly on the 4th line so far, and is getting barely any special teams work (38 seconds per game of PK, 9 seconds per game of PP). At even strength, probably the one guy he'd have a shot at beating out for a prime spot would be Jordin Tootoo, who is getting work on the second scoring line. Tootoo, however, is off to a pretty fine start (7 points in 15 games). Special teams is perhaps where an argument could be made to get Kostitsyn some more ice time; the current group isn't exactly playing well, and SK74 brings a reputation as a solid penalty killer to the Preds.

Outside of perhaps Tootoo, is there anyone else SK would bump down the depth chart on wing? Not really, and that's your biggest indicator that this relationship isn't going anywhere.

The jury's out, but not for long

So far, then, I can't say there's been very much to be impressed by with Sergei Kostitsyn. Granted, it cost the Preds basically nothing to get him, and they have very little invested in him financially (his $550,000 salary is lowest on the team). There are perhaps reasons to give this experiment a little more time to pan out, but that's about the best you can say.

Picking up Kostitsyn was like finding a scratch-off lottery ticket on the sidewalk. It made every bit of sense to check it out, but after a brief bit of anticipation, we're really not left with much value. The Hockey News' Adam Proteau is guessing he'll be in the KHL next year ("Kostitsyn: 8:43 of ice time & 1 shot. Enjoy the KHL next yr, Sergei'), and I'm inclined to agree.

Then again, maybe he'll suddenly flip the switch and start making an impact on a nightly basis, proving me (and the folks that will boo him tonight in Montreal) wrong, demonstrating the type of competitiveness that Kealty spoke about above.

Which do you think is the more likely option?

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I’d love to see him get a bit more ice time. He has 2 goals and an assist in 12 games – not too shabby for the ice time he’s had. We still have a few forwards who havent even scored yet – Erat only got his first goal of the season Tuesday night.

by XVIII on Nov 18, 2010 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

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I am not going to question Trotzy he has built houses from twigs but it seems to me that Trotz being such a defensive minded coach doesn’t quite have the offensive instinct ! IMO, his style of coaching does not bode well for offensive talent like SK74, Colin Wilson, Linus Klassen etc, all three have spent time on the 4th line and they are not grinders. Just my opinion but as much as I like Trotz I think that any real offensive threat we might have will never fully materialize due to his style not lack of talent.

by TrafficNfront on Nov 18, 2010 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

DITTO

often, w/ our limited rosters, his way was likely the only way we succeed. occasionally, when we have talent, i think he ( along w/ whoever is the PP coach of the day), stifle it.

by predswilrule on Nov 18, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Trotz is too stupid to get anything out of a guy like Kostitsyn...

…his stats don’t mean anything at all. He’s playing 8 minutes a game on the 4th line. He’s never been given a shot…Trotz has to break his spirit first and make him into a drone like everyone else on the team.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2010 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

But what I’ve seen of him in two years with the habs is that he isn’t simply a talented player, he also is good. But it’s always been about consistency for Sergei. That is in turn related to his, uh, “mercurial” character. So I can see how a given coach that has little psychology can get through to him, but it might not be Trotz. I know Boucher really liked him for the little time he was down in Hamilton last year and I think the kid will have another shot or two before he has to take the KHL way. And I think he’ll get those, because had he wanted to bolt to Russia, he would’ve already done so. He is the kind of player who seems to need a challenge to spike up; he did well when Carbonneau gave hime responsibilities (on the PK most notably) and again surged when a rash of injuries last year had Martin playing him with Plekanec (which means shadowing the opposition’s top line).

I had a season review up in august at my site (it’s in french, but the charts are useful), most notably using the Scoring Chances data I collected on the previous season, with Corsi and Zone Starts dropped in there too.

Those of you who just want a peek at Sergei numbers might want to focus on the following charts (those are all Even Strength numbers):

This one is about Corsi (“TVF” in french) and Zone Starts (“MenJ”). The color codes are from blue (most) to white (less) to indicate with which center a given winger has spent the most event with and from Green (very high) to yellow (middle of the pack) to red (very low) for the %, indicating where the player sits compared to his teammates.

An example: SKost had very good zone starts with gomez, but crappy Corsi (he was on the LW and Sergei sucks on the LW, he’s a RW). He spent much more time with Plekanec, had very tough zone starts and middle of the road corsi (which is pretty good).

This is the same chart, but this time with scoring chances.

There are two things that can be learned of Sergei from these and from my watching him play for two years, I think:

- He’s been horrible at LW. Seriously.
- He can’t carry a line by himself; Metropolit and Lapierre were both pretty bad centers and Sergei sunk with them. Pleks is pretty darn good and Sergei wasn’t just coasting along, he actually contributed.
- The Moore matchup is the most interesting: Martin had Moore, Moen and Sergei up against tough oppositions for most of the month of march and they kept getting outchanced, but really their job was to act as punching bags while Pleks catched his breath.

As you can see, Montreal wasn’t a very good ES team last year. They actually are break-even this year. Which, with their very good special team (the PP is coming around now) and Price’s emergence, means they can be a challenging foe. But I suspect they’ll come out flat expecting an easy game against the Preds. sigh.

by Olivier on Nov 18, 2010 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

Woops

I chopped the first phrase. It was: “Sergei is an annoying brat sometimes.”. Also, the whole first paragrapg is a mess. Sorry about that.

by Olivier on Nov 18, 2010 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Great insight

Thanks for coming over and sharing!

Based on what you’re saying, probably the best opportunity for SK would be to play on RW with Legwand and Ward, matching up against other teams’ top lines. I’d have to dig & dig & dig to find the quote, but I think Trotz’s concern there is where he can play at a high enough tempo to handle that responsibility.

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by Dirk Hoag on Nov 18, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd go with...

Erat – Goc – Kostitsyn

They practiced together for one day last week and were flying around the rink. The next day Sergei was bumped down and Tootoo was up on that line and he faded into the abyss…

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by Seth Lake on Nov 18, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Tough Kookie to Krack

Kostitsyn is an enigma wrapped in a conundrum. He’s like one of those russian dolls, where one fits into the other. When he first came up with the Habs, everyone was excited because there was a sense he could be better than his older bro Andrei — who also has a bit of the Alex Kovalev in him. Everyone praised Sergei’s vision etc.

But his off-ice antics and just his general demeanour brought both his brother and his team down. It certainly wasn’t a surprise to see him go but it was sad from a Habs fan perspective we got so little in return. But I guess that ultimately says a lot about how far his stock has dropped. Remember here was a kid who played on a line with P. Kane and Sam Gagner in juniors (which he’s quick to remind everyone).

Unfortunately, it’s a catch 22. He won’t produce and play the way the team wants from the 4th line. Complete waste. He needs to spend quality time on the first 2 lines to be effective, but I’m sure Trotz won’t give him that chance because there’s probably more deserving players. And playing 8 mins. on the 4th line naturally assures that Sergei’s attitude will not be of the highest calibre.

One hope for Sergei is actually Andrei, who seems to have finally gotten the memo on how to succeed, and maybe doesn’t have his brother around as a distraction. Last year was a joke for him so he needed to turn things around. He had a breakout year a few seasons back, but he is now showing the kind of prowess with, and most importantly, without the puck (see the 1st goal in the Habs last game, all because of AK 46). He’s proved the Habs right in sticking with him. We all knew he could do it, and he arguably has the best shot on the team. So maybe Sergei just needs some time to find himself and his role…

by Habs Fan in LeafLand on Nov 18, 2010 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Judging by the picture above...

I’d say he’s doing fine except that he keeps trying to take the ring away from Frodo. If he starts calling the puck his “precious” then it’s time to trade him.

"Get to the Choppa!"

by PredHead on Nov 18, 2010 5:58 PM EST reply actions  

As of this writing the vote is 110-35 in favor of thumbs up. I have to wonder what the 110 have been watching. For all the ballyhoo about his offensive talent he hasn’t shown much. Of course the same can be said for Colin Wilson. The question that has been raised is it SK or how Trotz uses him? I say it’s likely some of both. His limited ice time and playing a grinding role don’t provide much opportunity to display whatever offensive skills he may have. But if, and I don’t know if this is the case, he is showing some stuff in practice and Trotz still keeps him on the 3rd or 4th line on a team that most nights struggles to score then the coach is to blame. Conversely, if what we see in the games is what Trotz sees in practice it’s not hard to understand. I will say that the really great coaches adjust their approach to the talent they have available, whether it be offensive or defensive, instead remaining rigid in their approach year after year. Trotz is not a great coach.

by shoot the puck on Nov 18, 2010 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

I voted thumbs up..

And I’d like to share with you why I did so.

SK74 has not dazzled, he has not awed, and he has not amazed very much. However, he has fit into the Predator system pretty well, and he has contributed some, if not a terribly large amount. He has also shown, from time to time, promise of significant offensive skills waiting to be unleashed.

Basically, the bottom line for me is that SK74 has played above his salary. Sure, if he was making $3 million, I’d be yelling my head off, but he’s got the lowest salary on the team. All the ballyhoo about his offensive talent was…well, not very realistic. If he was really that great, why was he making so little money? We also gave up essentially nothing to get him.

As for Trotz not being a great coach, I sincerely hope you’re joking. The players, the other coaches, the facts, and the results all disagree with that. When a coach (from an expansion team, no less) finishes as high in Jack Adams voting as often as Trotz has, that’s a powerful indicator that he’s an excellent coach.

by Smashvillain on Nov 21, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I based my vote on what I was lead to believe in the preseason. He hasn’t hurt us and his attitude hasn’t been a problem. But we already have enough grinders. We need goals.

When Trotz gets us deep in the playoffs maybe I’ll change my tune. The playoffs are the thing and there he has been an abysmal failure

by shoot the puck on Nov 23, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

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