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Predators carved up by Wild in 5-2 loss

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Given a chance to rebound from a loss to the Blues where they should've won, the Nashville Predators failed to show up this afternoon in Minnesota. Steve Sullivan and Martin Erat scored the Predators' first power play goals since November 13, but everything that could go wrong did for a team that is quickly descending to the bottom of the Western Conference standings.

After the jump, more reaction to this disappointing loss, and video highlights if you're the type to be interested in self-torture.

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Ten thoughts on tonight's this afternoon's game:

  • Shea Weber and Colin Wilson both rang shots loudly off the post, so...there's that.
  • Martin Havlat was a holy terror throughout the afternoon, and Nashville had no answer. He beat Francis Bouillon like a rented mule on his first period and third period markers, and would continue to dance around any defender he came across for the rest of the game. Anders Lindback was the only thing that kept Havlat from having the hat trick.
  • It's becoming an alarming trend, but Nashville has been getting beaten along the boards, beaten to loose pucks, and beaten up and down the ice over the last few losses. The Predators pride themselves on the exact opposite of that, so when they deviate from it for extended periods, you have to know that they'll be less successful.
  • On Andrew Brunette's goal, I'm not really sure what Shea Weber was doing, but it wasn't playing defense. He was standing right there next to the goal cage along with Brunette, and failed to move him out of the crease as the former Pred was allowed multiple whacks at the puck. As the team's captain and best player, he must do better.
  • While Sullivan and Erat did score on the power play, an extended third period two man advantage resulted in nothing. The puck movement was there, and the Preds were able to set up in the zone, but the finishing ability on this team right now is completely nonexistent.
  • Jordin Tootoo was getting pushed around all night for dishing out hard, clean hits, and finally had to answer for it against Clayton Stoner in the 3rd period. Stoner, though, got entirely more than he bargained for as Tootoo's final punch was an absolute haymaker. Clayton Stoner, in case you were interested, is 6 foot 3 inches tall. Tootoo? 5'9.
  • Sergei Kostitsyn played 9:03 and finished -3. With Jamie Lundmark and Steve Begin waiting in Milwaukee and boasting extensive NHL experience, I wonder if Kostitsyn may be taking a few days off soon to reevaluate things.
  • The Predators were able to counteract Minnesota's elite power play with some great chances shorthanded, keyed largely by Martin Erat, who I thought had his best game of the season.
  • Nashville outshot the Wild 34-23, but the problem, again, is the quantity of shots from the perimeter relative to the number from the faceoff circles forward. Patric Hornqvist is struggling to score right now, and that can largely be attributed to the lack of chances from in close.
  • Kevin Klein was scratched before the game with what was termed "an illness". Alexander Sulzer skated 18:04 in his absence.
  • In summary, there were certainly things to build on tonight. The power play improved, and Anders Lindback played well in relief of Rinne. That's not really what the Predators should focus on, though, because they failed to play basic hockey. Minnesota did an excellent job of winning the small battles, and it simply translated to the scoreboard. The team needs a short memory tonight as the Rangers await them in Nashville tomorrow night.

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You want to win battles on the boards? Give Wilson more ice time.

by joelmitchell on Nov 26, 2010 5:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

want wilson to have more ice time?

Tell him to earn it. He doing better and could be on his way up. But the coaches probably want to see more than 1 or 2 games of improved play first.

"It's gonna be fun on the bun."

by flyalder on Nov 26, 2010 5:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You make a good point.

I seem to recall an interview with Trotz last season which he alluded to a lack of effort from Wilson.

by joelmitchell on Nov 26, 2010 5:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Its not so much a lack of effort from Wilson, he’s just doing the wrong things. He’s a power forward and he’s playing like, well, Martin Erat.

Wilson is one of the strongest young players I have ever seen. If you see him in street clothes, you’d probably be shocked – he’s built like an absolute truck. Have you noticed how people bounce off of him when they go for a big hit? He rarely loses board battles when he engages, too, and he’s playing away from his strengths this year instead of to them.

I really think five or so games in Milwaukee where he can physically dominate would do him good.

by Chris Burton on Nov 26, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I personally want to see better decision making too. It really goes along with what your saying with the syle he has chosen to play. But I also want to see him make better decisions in the dzone, especially on the breakout, he just looks confused as to what he should do. Some time in Milwauke could boost his confidence again and really help all this.

"It's gonna be fun on the bun."

by flyalder on Nov 26, 2010 10:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

everything that could go wrong did for a team that is quickly descending to the bottom of the Western Conference standings

Sounds like even the OTF group is starting to recognize the freefall. But the coaching staff is doing a terrific job and they’re definitely not the problem, its the players, right? Can’t score, can’t play defense, worst PP in the league, but at least the PK is getting hot, right?

Wilson could be a strong player, but he continues (with the exception of tonight where he played 15+ min) to play 9-11 minutes per game. And he plays with the likes of Kostitsyn, Tootoo, Smithson and Spaling. How do you expect him to score? How do you expect him to apply consistent pressure in the offensive zone when he plays with scrubs night in and night out? You can’t criticize a guy that’s been trampled underfoot by Trotz and his merry bunch of clown assistant coaches. And you can’t expect a youngster to come onto the power play and perform when he’s getting that kind of ice time/linemates. Go ahead and send him to Milwaukee. Then bring him back up and put him with Kostitsyn and Spaling and he’s not gonna be any better than Ryan Jones was…forgive the Freudian slip, Jones has 4 goals on the 4th line in EDMONTON, the worst team in the league…which would be tied for 4th on Nashville.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 26, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Happy stats with happy SWFP:

Santorelli (FLA): 6 goals in 19 games…more than any Pred
Peverley (ATL): last year, 55 pts, more than any Pred; this year, 12 pts, would be one pt behind O’reilly.
Arnott (NJD): 8g and 4a; one pt behind O’reilly and more goals than any player we have.
Ryan Jones (EDM): 4g on the 4th line in EDMONTON…the worst team in hockey. More than any of our 4th liners AND would be tied for 4th in goals on the Preds.
Wilson and Dumont: Some of the few + players we have that still only get ~12 minutes a game of ice time.

Not like we need offense or anything.

Fact is that Trotz and his moronic coaches wouldn’t know what to do with talent if it jumped on their lap and called them MAMA!!!

Don’t blame the clownish offense on Wilson, BLAME IT ON THE SYSTEM AND THE COACHES!!!

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 26, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I was screaming up and down that letting go of Santorelli was a terrible decision.

I believe you just proved my point. Also, I’d like to vote for the New York Islanders as the worst team in Hockey…Just sayin’

by BradPerala on Nov 27, 2010 7:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Everyone by Jones is in the east …. a conference where Mike Green is considered a defenseman. Jones had better goals/TOI than quite a few Preds while he was here.

The stats seem to show a few seasons with the Preds in the top ten in scoring … with the same coaches. Hmmmmmm …. maybe they would know what to do with talent when it jumps in their lap.

by 101st on Nov 27, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Somewhat of a good point...

…but that was 4 years ago, this is now! And all those dudes who score on other teams…cmon, you don’t really think its just cause they’re in the Eastern conference, do you?

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 27, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

what team was that?

They were in preds jersies but they didn’t play like it. The defense was way too focused on the puck, and that led to most of the goals. The forwards were out raced and muscled to loose pucks, the complete opposite of the Preds way. I’m wondering if all the time away from home is begining to wear on the preds, bc they had almost a complete lack of focus.

"It's gonna be fun on the bun."

by flyalder on Nov 26, 2010 5:29 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

yeah...

if the coaches made the on-ice decisions for the players. But the players make their own decisions and made bad ones today.

"It's gonna be fun on the bun."

by flyalder on Nov 26, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

They do EVERY game anymore!

But the lack of goal scoring isn’t a bad decision by a player, it’s a bad system by the coaches. The crappy PP isn’t cause of bad decisions, its cause of a bad system by the coaches…

When you gonna come around flyalder? No offense. No defense. No quality special teams play. How come Shea Weber makes the all Olympic team and is an average D man for us? Same thing with Suter. How come every player that leaves our team cause they’re expendable (e.g., Peverley, Santorelli, Jones, Arnott…and Wilson so far) and cause they suck for us end up outscoring just about everyone on our own team?

Cmon flyalder, come to your senses…

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 26, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

my comment was about the play of the players

about their poor decisions, play, and focus in this game.

the system was yielding lots a chances for us before Min got their 1st period goals. after that the whole team lacked energy.
i’ve already said when i would join the fire trotz wagon. but if assistant coaches got the axe i wouldn’t be upset.

when will you start holding the players responsible for their own play?

"It's gonna be fun on the bun."

by flyalder on Nov 27, 2010 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll hold the players responsible when ANYTHING is done to change the system that's in place.

These guys didn’t go from being good last year to being a bunch of scrubs cause this year we magically didn’t put forth any effort. Of course the effort is better some days than others, but you can’t play 100% every game. The fact is that no matter how good our effort is, our PP still sucks and we don’t score even strength anymore either. The best evidence I can give is the stats of players that have been expendable and how they perform with their new teams. In my opinion that’s enough. We got guys that can score, but the crappy coaching, which translates into a crappy system makes goal scoring improbable.

I recognize where your loyalty comes from…last year we had a terrible stretch also but it only lasted 8-10 games. This year, we haven’t been able to put the puck in the net just about the whole season. And we have all these young guys that could make a difference if they were only given the opportunity to. But the system is so stifling that ain’t gonna happen. How about Wilson? We traded up 3 years ago to take this guy 7th overall and he is a nothing right now. And he’s not given any chance to be successful whatsoever…playing 12 minutes a game with the likes of Smithson and Spaling is no way to groom your best prospect. They’re gonna ruin him.

I’m just not buying the “snake bit” hypothesis anymore. I’ve been listening to Crispy talk about us being “unlucky” for 3+ years now, and so I don’t believe it anymore. We can’t score goals cause the coaching staff doesn’t know how to utilize the skills of the players.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 27, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

The only thing worse than watching us play lately

Has been having to hear Crispy make all kinds of excuses as to why we aren’t successful. I know the guy can’t trash the team and probably knows the reasons why we struggle but come on. It’s insulting to dedicated fans who follow the team to tell us that the reason we struggle to score season after season is a few unlucky bounces.

by Russell Freda on Nov 27, 2010 1:33 AM EST up reply actions  

wilson is not the second coming of gretzky

the way he has been playing these last few weeks i wouldn’t want him on the ice much more than 12 mins, he wouldn’t have done any good regardless of the line he was on. he is seeming to turn in around these last 2 games. if he keeps improving he will get his ice time back.

we are not the first team to have players underwhelm for us and flourish elsewhere, we’re not the last either. you referenced Arnott: last year he was lazy most of the year, he had a no trade clause and waived it for new jersey, he obviously wants to play for his original team again and is putting out the effort for it. Peverley and Santorelli got second chances with teams that don’t have expectations of winning. That scenario pushes them to take advantage of their second/last chance and puts them on a team that can hold their hand through their development. To be honest if you want that to happen for our young offensive skill here then be ready to not see the playoffs for a loooong time, then see those players leave for towns with playoff chances (see Atlanta).

Our PP scored twice in this game and we still lost bc of the 5v5 play alone. regardless of how much you hate Trotz, we lost this game bc of the players on the ice, not coaching.

"It's gonna be fun on the bun."

by flyalder on Nov 27, 2010 3:14 AM EST up reply actions  

And he never will be...

…as long as he gets 11 minutes of ice time per game. Heck, he won’t even be……Rich Peverley or Mike Santorelli! LOL!

The USS Trotz is sinking flyalder. We have a 20th century coach in a 21st century league….

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 28, 2010 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

For a team that needs offense so desperately and supposedly has the NHL's best farm system

Is Spaling really the best we can do right now? The kid works hard but he offers nothing to help us score goals. With Lombardi gone long-term and Legwand hurt we need to start looking at some serious lineup changes or we are gonna fall too far behind in the West to recover.

Ward, Spaling, Wilson, Dumont, SK, Smithson, TooToo are really offering nothing in terms of consistent goal scoring capability right now. And now ever our D isn’t contributing goals. Do we need to look to bring some youngsters up to spark us?

by Russell Freda on Nov 26, 2010 6:38 PM EST reply actions  

Why not try Lasen, Begin, and Lundmark

With how we’ve been playing it wouldn’t hurt. Take Spaling, SK47 and Wilson out for a bit and see. I would love to see what Begin and Klasen could do for us.

Question, who should start tomorrow night? Peks or Lindback? I can’t really hag this one on Peks cause the D in front of him was atrocious, but Peks has been cheating out of net a little more this year and not getting back in time if there is a juicy rebound.

Something has to change though, I’m tired of mediocrity and Jekyll/Hyde of our team. If Trotz can’t fix this and soon, I truly think a change in the guard might be coming.

by HardCorePredFan316 on Nov 26, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Low Payroll Catching Up To Preds

This is what you get for 45 million or so it seems. Pierre LaBrun on HNIC recently said the current cap is a joke with all of the lengthy long term deferred deals thus in effect making the current cap kind of useless. With that said the Preds are stuck with guys like Dumont (soft) and Erat (useless) who are either beat up or just have lost it and both make 4 million a year and have done nothing. I’ll leave Legwand alone because he can do many things to help the Preds win. Throw in the fact that every team in the Central division has improved the past 2 to 4 tears and we haven’t. This team stinks right now and it’s hard to watch. Consider Steve Sullivan, 36 years old is the best goal scorer they have. Unless Pekka starts standing on his head they have zero chance of making the playoffs.

by virgiltruck on Nov 26, 2010 11:09 PM EST reply actions  

I like Sully as a person...

…but he hasn’t done jack lately either and his stats are inflated after his torrid first couple of games.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 26, 2010 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

A Quote from smart people...

“While I’ll be the first to tell you things need to be fixed, and now, the Predators’ situation just isn’t as dire as it seems. With sixty one games left to play, they are just six points off the conference lead. The sky isn’t falling, people. If the team still can’t win consistently when David Legwand and Matthew Lombardi return, then lets talk. Until then, wait it out.” – Chris Burton

by BradPerala on Nov 27, 2010 8:33 AM EST reply actions  

Cube had an absolutely atrocious game. Turned it over and subsequently got five holed by Havlat on his first goal …. got beat out for position and outraced to the net on Havlat’s second. Suter couldn’t handle the puck to save his butt … kept turning it over … and those led to Wild scoring opportunities and goals. Shea Weber, our captain, had a terrible game … PERIOD. Brunette made him look terrible on that goal. Shea hasn’t been able to consistently get his shot on net. He looks, well, mortal.

Wilson is supposed to be a power forward, but, isn’t playing like one. Erat doesn’t look like he’s 100%. Hornqvist isn’t getting the dirty goals as he did last season.

All of that in one game with neither goalie playing a miraculous game and we lose.

by 101st on Nov 27, 2010 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

The Preds mailed it in......

I expect a better effort tonite. I expect Preds hockey to return and they play like a Predator. If not, then I agree with Seth. Changes have to be made…

by jmkiii58 on Nov 27, 2010 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

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