Predators' penalty kill & goaltending fail them in 4-3 Phoenix loss
After having bounced back from an early deficit to take a 3-2 lead into the final period, the Nashville Predators melted down early in the 3rd, ultimately losing 4-3 to the Phoenix Coyotes. This time it was a lethal combination of shoddy goaltending by Pekka Rinne coupled with bad penalties that led to the defeat. This extends the Preds' losing streak to three, with games at Los Angeles coming up on Saturday, and Anaheim on Sunday.
Follow after the jump, if you dare, for video highlights, reaction, and the advanced even-strength stats...
First, the video highlights...
Some not-so-random observations:
- Pekka Rinne had a really odd evening, getting caught way out of his crease on multiple occasions, and appearing to guess what was going to happen rather than react to the play. @TheGoalieGuild made a similar observation in the 3rd period on Twitter.
- Sergei Kostitsyn's 1st period was really outstanding. Despite getting just 3:10 of ice time, he gave a good screen on Bouillon's goal, and scored his own thanks to a great effort to pressure Adrian Aucoin and steal the bouncing puck. The Preds desperately need any offense he can provide.
- Jordin Tootoo had some nice back-checking work besides his two assists, and actually led the Nashville forwards in even-strength ice time.
- It figures that after I detailed his faceoff woes earlier today, David Legwand had a big night on the dot, winning 11 of 14 draws.
- The dreaded "pass first, second, and third" mentality crept back in at times tonight, as solid shooting opportunities were passed up more than once.
- Cody Franson's Holding the Stick penalty early in the third was a really bad one to take. The game was tied, and he had position on his opponent as they played a puck behind the Nashville net.
- Attendance tonight was 6,761. And that's the announced figure - they really need to close on that franchise sale so things can move forward properly.
- Marcel Goc gave us a real scare late in the 2nd when it appeared he injured a foot, but he came back to play 6 shifts in the 3rd. For his first game back, he looked pretty good.
- The Sullivan-O'Reilly-Hornqvist line had its moments, but they were few and far between. The sooner guys like Ryan Suter and Martin Erat return to the lineup, the better.
And for your even-strength stats...
| Even Strength | Individual Totals | Team Totals While Player Is On Ice | ||||||||||
| Player | Pos | EV TOI | Shots | Shts Blkd | Missed Shts | Blocks | SOG For | SOG Ag | SOG +/- | Tot SF | Tot SA | Corsi |
| Jordin Tootoo | R | 14:52 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 7 | -1 | 13 | 13 | 0 |
| David Legwand | C | 13:43 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10 | 3 | +7 | 15 | 10 | +5 |
| Joel Ward | R | 13:32 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 2 | +6 | 14 | 10 | +4 |
| Colin Wilson | C | 13:30 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 11 | 1 | +10 | 16 | 9 | +7 |
| Marcel Goc | C | 12:35 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 5 | -1 | 9 | 10 | -1 |
| Patric Hornqvist | R | 11:57 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 7 | 6 | +1 | 9 | 11 | -2 |
| Sergei Kostitsyn | L | 11:53 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 7 | -4 | 7 | 11 | -4 |
| Cal O'Reilly | C | 11:44 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 6 | +1 | 9 | 11 | -2 |
| J-P Dumont | R | 10:08 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 6 | 0 | 14 | 11 | +3 |
| Steve Sullivan | L | 10:06 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 6 | -1 | 7 | 11 | -4 |
| Jerred Smithson | R | 9:05 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 9 | -7 | 4 | 11 | -7 |
| Nick Spaling | C | 8:40 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 8 | -6 | 7 | 10 | -3 |
| Kevin Klein | D | 19:01 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 9 | 8 | +1 | 14 | 16 | -2 |
| Francis Bouillon | D | 16:30 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 10 | -3 | 15 | 19 | -4 |
| Shane O'Brien | D | 16:22 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 8 | 0 | 12 | 11 | +1 |
| Shea Weber | D | 14:58 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 10 | -5 | 10 | 14 | -4 |
| Cody Franson | D | 13:41 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 10 | 3 | +7 | 17 | 12 | +5 |
| Alexander Sulzer | D | 13:33 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 7 | 5 | +2 | 12 | 12 | 0 |
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deja vu
we have taken on the alter ego from last years team and seemingly cant hold 3rd period leads.
You are dead on about why the Preds lost tonight. Rinne continued his terrible play, the pk allowed 2 pp goals to a team coming into the game with a 9.1% pp, and a defenseman who hadn’t scored all year long pulled a hat trick. This is the 3rd time they have coughed up a 3rd period lead, and so far they have been outscored 15-6 in the 3rd/ot. They are not a very good hockey team right now as evidenced by the fact they are now dead last in the Central.
Ryan Suter, hurry back!
Martin Erat, take the rest of the year off—please. Take Legwand, Tootoo, and Dumont with you.
Cody Franson has puck handling issues.
How many breakaways has Sullivan failed to convert?
1 for 5 on the pp. Encouraging, but still only 2 for the last 31.
At least there have also been two goals (one tonight, another in Detroit) scored right after a PP expired, but essentially related to the man advantage.
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If you look at it like that......
4 for the last 31. Still sucks.
by shoot the puck on Nov 4, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
no argument there
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Rinne has just looked lost lately...
I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Lindback in net on Saturday to let Rinne get his head straight.
Christie kicks it high and short...Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25...He dishes it back to Wycheck...He throws it across the field to Dyson...
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Kills me to say this
but as optimistic as I was after the first few games thats how down I am right now on this team. PP is dead, cannot handle the puck, we do not look any faster than we were last season, get moved off puck, PK still hurting. and very bad penalties being taken. I mean I don’t know…..this team is frustrating as hell to watch.
I understand what your saying – I turned the TV off in disgust after that 2nd PP goal in the 3rd. But I have to keep reminding myself, they’ve only played 11 games, and there are a lot more. Maybe Peks had too much birthday cake in the locker room ??
STAY AWAY FROM THE LEDGE
lets see how we look after we get suter back for a couple games. we will be better in the rear and he adds to the breakout as well. it is hard to be enthusiastic though
Couple of things from last night.
- I’m not one to blame the refs, and there were many reasons we lost that game – that said, did anyone else think that delay of game call on Spaling was a little cheeky?
- Why Kostitsyn and Wilson are getting such little TOI will continue to baffle me. SK’s goal (and I still think he tipped the first one) was awesome.
- What on earth is wrong with Pekka? Regular Peks stops all 4 of those goals. He got beat directly over his shoulder at least twice, maybe 3x – it was like he ducked long before the shot came in.
- Marcel Goc makes a very big difference on the 3rd line. Glad he’s healthy-ish.
In all, that was a really, really bad loss. Circle the wagons, boys.
I am unsure
We were told and told before the season about SK74 and Wilson’s scoring ability and then they get so little TOI. WTH!!! Am I missing something here?
If you’re missing it, so am I, because the 3 best offensive players last night were Kostitsyn, Wilson, and O’Reilly. Cal is getting the TOI because he’s not a liability on D and he actually wins draws, but when you’re down a goal with 4 minutes left there’s no reason I can see to have Smithson and Tootoo out there instead of Willy and Hornqvist.
Trotz needs to give SK74 more ice time – in 8 games, 2 goals and a 40% shooting percentage is pretty good – I wonder what he could do if he were on a line where he could get more shots on goal ….
Taking a further look and comparing
SH74 had 54 1/2 minutes of ice time in the last 5 games – compare that with Erat who had about 77 minutes in his last 5 games he played.
Trotz don't know what the heck he's doing!
Terrible PP, terrible PK and he doesn’t play our best players the most. But don’t ask him about it, he does things the way he wants. Void of any logic, which is why we can’t do better than a 7 seed every year, leading to a 1st round loss in the playoffs.
We got skill and speed on this team! But Trotz doesn’t know what to do with them. No consistency with the lines.
The “fire Trotz” bandwagon is picking up steam…choo-choo!!!
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 4, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that Trotz may have finally lost his mind. Some of his dicisions this season have made me wonder. I had great faith in Poile as well until the call up of Klasen because he hot at the time, but then we did not play him. Hmmmm. I mean there were other people that could have helped in that instance.
Trotz twibbles
Trotz said in the post game of last season that we need to fix the pp and pk and he did neither. I bet Trotz explanation is that the team needs better D effort. I knew the early offensive of Sully and O’Reilly would come to a halt. When Arnott was dealt and I championed that effort they said we were going with the youth. Well Wilson and O’Reilly haven’t been the answer. Wilson will be if given enough ice time. O’Reilly is overated. He drifts and passes and when called upon to score he has no scoring and touch and he doesn’t work and he’s small. We have too many small players. How long will Trotz be able or allowed to not get the job done. I don’t see where all the goals are going to come from. Arnott’s goal haven’t been replaced. When someone like Erat gets off to a bad start we can’t overcome it
It is so hard to be a fan of this team with its play not to lose mentality. We don’t have a shut down defense or goalie to justify the timidity of the offense. And if we get behind it’s usually see you later.
The similarity between the Preds and Titans is agonizing.
For all my complaining about how the Preds operate, letting Arnott go was absolutely the right move. He either wasn’t willing or able to get any better. With his size and hands he could have been a 40 goal scorer most every year if he would have gone to the net, but he wouldn’t. On paper Lombardi was an upgrade, although I believe we overpaid for a 19-goal scorer when comparable others were available for less. His injury is unfortunate and the jury is still out on him.
Let’s not dwell too much on injuries. Every team has ’em. The only thing that matters is who won.
Somebody want to explain to me what game you guys watched? From what I watched/listened to and saw on the stat sheet, Wilson led the forwards in TOI. O’Reilly has played well this season. Toots had 2 assist, so he was clearly creating chances. I agree with not having Smithson on the ice other than to win a faceoff; however, overall Trotz had it right. Smithson and Spaling (the least offensive talented forwards we have) played the least amount of TOI.
Back away from the cliff everyone.
The only problem I had with last night other than the loss was why did Trotz go back to Sully and Weber on the point for the PP? Is Sully really the only guy other than Suter that we have to QB the PP?
You want outside of the box here you go
Points in 8 of 11 games. Averaging 1.18 pts per game. When you multiple that by 82 games, you get 96.9 pts. Using last year’s final standings that would put us in 7th place again. While I would like to finish higher, that still puts us in the playoffs.
And before you say it. Yes I understand it is a new season and not the 09-10 season. Regardless we have played 11 games and Robin (perhaps the real Batman) has played in less than half of them, and our 2nd leading goal scorer from last year hasn’t found the back of the net yet. Again back away from the ledge.
last night...
While disheartening it wasn’t the first, or last, time it has happened or will happen to any nhl team.
That said, with the history of how the preds respond to games that end like this (thinking of SJ last year), it will be interesting to see how they respond.
“The most important game of the season is the next one”-any NHL coach.
"It's gonna be fun on the bun."
Absolutely, the most important thing about this game is how the Preds respond Saturday at L.A., particularly Pekka.
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You have two goalies. Use ‘em both. When one sucks put the other one in until he sucks. I don’t care who’s in goal and I don’t believe the players do either as long as pucks are being stopped.
by shoot the puck on Nov 4, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay
Pekka is not getting it done. So for the love of everything sacred and holy can we please play Ellis in the next game! Oh….ummmm….jk
I liked Hornqvist before last night, but I like him even more after seeing him play in person. He’s an absolute beast.
Both goalies had off nights. I wouldn’t read too much into Pekka’s performance. Maybe he was in a hurry to celebrate his birthday. Who knows.
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