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Tuesday's news: Have the Nashville Predators offended the Hockey Gods?

The sign over the door outside their dressing room says "No Excuses", but at what point do we recognize what's going on here?

Nashville Predators head coach Barry Trotz often cites his faith in the "Hockey Gods", and their tendency to even out the lucky bounces for & against a team over the course of the long NHL season.

The natural question, then, in light of the Preds' current situation, is what exactly has this team done to bring down the wrath of the hockey gods upon them? Injuries have stricken 5 of their top 6 forwards, a top-pair defenseman in Ryan Suter, and their #1 goaltender, Pekka Rinne, causing all of them to miss significant playing time. Now we also have Jordin Tootoo entering the NHL's Substance Abuse Program, taking away another regular contributor for an indefinite amount of time.

Has Barry waxed over-proud of his accomplishments, failing to cite the hockey gods' role in providing him with his knowledge and experience? When Arachne did that, Minerva turned her into a spider. 

Perhaps there was a wayward taunt after defeating a well-connected opponent, who then appeals to the gods for retribution? Odysseus sure got Poseidon pissed off for doing that to the Cyclops, Polyphemus.

Who knows what the cause could be, but I expect Trotz to exhibit the patience of Job as he shepherds the team through this rough patch. We as fans, however, can do our part to help turn things around. Burnt offerings on the plaza before the game, anyone?

While you ponder that question, follow after the jump for your morning hockey news...

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Nashville Predators

Ups and Downs Today - Milwaukee Admirals
Aaron Sims celebrates the opportunity that Chris Mueller has earned, and shares his memories of Jordin Tootoo's time in Milwaukee.

World Junior Championships bring back fond memories for several Predators - Nashville Predators Examiner
Jim Diamond gets some of the guys reminiscing about their appearance in the annuaul tournament, including Sergei Kostitsyn helping Belarus to a win over Ryan Suter's Team USA.

Groundhog Day II- Nashville Predators Style | Hockey Independent
Does the "No Excuses" mantra apply when a team is as injury-riddled as the Preds are these days?

Preds On The Glass: Crippled Predators Host Dallas and Tuesday Tidbits
Buddy looks ahead to tonight's tilt with the Stars, and has your morning links as well.

Paul McCann - Game Night in Smashville - When good teams go bad...
Paul can't recall a more dire circumstance for the Preds, and to be honest, neither can I.

Nashville Predators place pair on injured reserve - The Tennessean
Both Martin Erat and Steve Sullivan get placed on IR, to help make room on the roster for callups like Linus Klasen and Chris Mueller.

Looking on the bright side - Predators Insider
I wonder if Colin Wilson has seen Monty Python's Life Of Brian lately.

Preds' Tootoo to enter NHL's substance abuse program | Nashville City Paper
David Boclair notes that two other Predators have gone through the NHL's program. Can you guess them both?

Around the NHL

Scouting the enemy (Nashville) Struggling to score goals - The Dallas Morning News
Stars beat writer Mike Heika looks at tonight's game from the enemy perspective.

Blue Jackets fans claim NHL ref made ‘crying face', obscene gesture - Puck Daddy
This is actually pretty funny. Referees take an insane amount of abuse from fans and players alike, at just about every level of hockey. 

Down Goes Brown: Scouting the World Junior Championships
Don't know much about the World Juniors? DGB's got you covered...

Poll of the Day: New Jersey vs Dallas - Behind The Net
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Winter snowstorm causing headaches for NHL, NFL, college teams in Northeast - The Globe and Mail
The Maple Leafs are stuck in New Jersey due to the heavy winter weather. 

What is the best division in the NHL? - From The Rink
Mike Chen chews some numbers, and the Central doesn't come out on top.

Haters Gonna Hate, But 400 Is A Reality: Wings 4 - Avalanche 3 (OT) - Winging It In Motown
Chris Osgood hit a huge milestone with his 400th win last night, beating Colorado. Interestingly, Mike Vernon also earned his 300th as a Red Wing, against the Avalanche.

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I think the fans have offended the hockey gods more than the team. I hate all of the “you suck” chants, which start before the puck has dropped. I prefer to cheer for my team, not against the other. Also, I think it makes us look like hockey hicks to the rest of the league, when we say that world class players “suck”…yes I know that they play for the opposition, but that doesn’t mean that they suck. Do Hartnell and Kimmo now “suck”? Think of the old sports argument…Would you rather have the player that “sucks” playing for or against you? Personally, I would rather have Joe Thornton, Patrick Kane, Drew Doughty, Pavel Datsyuk, Rick Nash, the Sedin twins, or any number of stars that fans say “suck” play for us rather than against us. What irks me most about PREDS chants is when we score a goal, we say the other team and goalie “suck”!!! I don’t take part in those cheers, because I prefer to cheer for the awesome goal scoring play of the PREDS that beat the opposing D and netminder.

I’m open to your criticism, but I’ll stick with cheering for the PREDS.

by PREDSFan615 on Dec 28, 2010 10:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

We're in the minority on this one, but I agree 100%

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by Dirk Hoag on Dec 28, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

not a fan either

I am not a fan of this kind of cheering either but I would like to point out that our fans and arena are not the only ones who do this type of cheering at a sporting event. It is not right but examples of this happen at every sport and at every level. If it did not occur then there would be no need to include the parents in the code of conduct signings.

by Wendy H on Dec 28, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you too

If our fans don’t want to be labeled hillbillies and rednecks then the “you suck” chants have to go.

by Lil cutie on Dec 28, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Our objective is not to make the arena more hospitable for opposing players.

Sorry if you disagree.

Section303.com

by Patten on Dec 28, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Hospitable, no....

But you can do that by cheering for your team without sounding dumb and juvenile. Also, it lacks creativity. How do you think PREDS players feel when they score and all fans yell about is how much the opponent sucks?? How about this after the PREDS score?? Duh, Duh, duh, duuuh, duh…hey!!! GO PREDS!!! Not hospitable, but cheering for the PREDS. All I’m saying is that we should cheer for the PREDS.

by PREDSFan615 on Dec 28, 2010 11:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

nothing vulger, but chants that say you suck are mild compared to what you get in lots of places.its all in fun. and besides they already think we’re hockey hicks and dont deserve a team so who cares?

by predswilrule on Dec 28, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

We should just boo the national anthem

Like Habs fans are known to do. Or ignore the anthem and cheer through it like Hawks fans are known to do.

Or throw octopi on the ice.

…or waffles (as is the case in Toronto).

There are a lot of things done in hockey that make it a truly unique and fan-centric sport. The chants are another component of that.

You know…we still cheer when an injured player leaves the ice. We acknowledge departed players (like Vokoun) with pretty fantastic video montages. We have carved a pretty unique niche for ourselves with the chants and that has been recognized around the league (both positive and negative, of course). A lot of my family lives in Windsor, Ontario. The ones that have visited here and gone to a Predators game love the atmosphere and actually thought the chants were cool/funny/interesting.

And we do cheer for our team. I was at the St. Louis game for the impromptu ovation. I have watched our fans send our team home for the summer with a standing ovation and audible passion, even though we lost in the first round…and the same ovation was present when we exited the playoffs in the first round again…and again, ad nauseum.

You want to lose the “hillbilly” stigma? Stop playing some of the horrid country music. That does more to solidify the “redneck” stereotype than anything the fans in the stands are chanting.

Plus, there are many things said in other arenas that are far, far worse than what we do. The absurdity of saying a team “sucks”, even though that team might be beating us 4-1, is part of the fun of it all. It’s all tongue-in-cheek.

by rusherman on Dec 28, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it's not hillbilly or redneck...

Just painfully uncreative and immature. This is tongue-in-cheek on a ten year old level.

by Lil cutie on Dec 28, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll probably catch hell for this, but here it goes…

Realistically, all sports work on a ten year old level. “My dad can beat up your dad” is fundamentally no different than “My team can beat your team”.

Allowing fights is a ten year old level kind of thing. I’m not against it, mind you. I respect that it’s part of the game, but if you really look closely at the psychology behind it, two grown men beating each other up over a game (when the game isn’t specifically won or lost based on the perceived ‘winner’ of the fight) is pretty infantile. Yes, I know it’s about respect and all of that garbage…but respect in hockey should come from skill as players, not sending out a goon to “deliver a message” to another player. Again, let me emphasize that I’m not against fighting, per se, but I do acknowledge that it’s pretty juvenile behavior.

You could make the argument that throwing things on the ice (octopi, catfish, even hats) is ten year old kind of behavior. But we love it because it’s part of what makes the sport what it is.

by rusherman on Dec 28, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Hah, you might be right about that.

It’s a good observation! Maybe all sports do operate on a ten year old level, and maybe the “you suck” chants are no worse than players fighting or fans throwing strange objects onto the ice.

But it seems like if you’re going to insult somebody, try to be a bit clever about it. Show their players making peanut butter sandwiches in the penalty box or make a pun out of their last name…something more than “(last name), you suck!”

True, it’s not a big deal, and it might be in line with general sports psychology, but this put-down will always sound lazy and uninspired to my wine and cheese ears.

by Lil cutie on Dec 28, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Did someone say puns????!!!!?!?!?

by cisar on Dec 28, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but only partly

I think there’s a big difference between the “he shoots, he scores, you suck!” sort of chants during a game, and actually asserting in a calm and rational manner that a world-class player has a glaring deficiency in skills.

The first comes naturally to me, and doesn’t feel any different than cheering for my own team. Saying the opposing goalie sucks is the same as saying the Preds’ goal scorer is awesome—either way, the point I’m getting at in that situation is that the Predators on the ice played better than the opposition. A little bit of good-natured heckling never hurt anything, in my opinion.

The latter situation is indeed a different matter, and one I find distasteful. If a player is good, he is good, regardless of who he plays for. But, I think you should take a good look at some of the other fans around the league, and see how they behave. If we look like hockey hicks to the rest of the league, it’s most definitely not because a few of us insult opposing players.

Honestly, I’d say most of the league automatically respects us more than Canadian/original six , and west coast fans, at the least…See this classless example of humanity for why: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2qFfuLy_fs

Head up, stick down.

by Smashvillain on Dec 28, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

We do cheer for the Preds. We also tell the other team they suck. We do both.

It’s a hockey game, not a pep rally.

Section303.com

by Patten on Dec 28, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

Question...

Do Chicago, Detroit, or Dallas suck???

by PREDSFan615 on Dec 28, 2010 11:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I know! Pick me, pick me…

Yes (with the exception of last year, of course); no; more than their record would imply, respectively.

Head up, stick down.

by Smashvillain on Dec 28, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

When they play us? Yes. Yes, they do.

Section303.com

by Patten on Dec 28, 2010 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

Also, pop up blocker seems to be affecting my “reply” button.

Section303.com

by Patten on Dec 28, 2010 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Not what i asked but ok....

Would you rather beat a good team or a team that sucks???

by PREDSFan615 on Dec 28, 2010 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What exactly does that have to do with anything? Telling someone “you suck” does not always mean that we believe their skill is subpar. It means they are our opponent and we do not wish you for them to emerge victorious.

It seems to me that nothing is more hillbillyish than being offended by the use of the word “sucks”. Oh my stars, they have insulted our visitors!

Section303.com

by Patten on Dec 28, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Who cares about visitors...

The article is about offending the hockey gods. I would rather beat a good team, because that means that we’re better than them. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

by PREDSFan615 on Dec 28, 2010 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I guess so, but I’m fairly certain that the team’s problems are in no way, shape, or form related to Cellblock 303.

Section303.com

by Patten on Dec 28, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It's more than 303...

The article was about offending the hockey gods, and I think the fans have more offended them than the team…that’s all.

by PREDSFan615 on Dec 28, 2010 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

If the hockey gods were really offended by such things, there would be at least 3 Canadian teams at the bottom of the standings. Every year.

Head up, stick down.

by Smashvillain on Dec 28, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I remember when Gretsky came and played here, I screamed as loud as I could “Gretsky You suck!” Everyone had a good laugh. And you know how loud I can scream.
Does Gretsky suck?
Of course he does! ; )
I mean, he had five assists that game, but he could have broken the scoring record that night and CHOSE not to score. He did not want to break the scoring record in Nashville. I’m not even sure he took a shot. I could have been a witness to history, instead, Greatsky sucks!

by cisar on Dec 28, 2010 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

I'll go ahead and correct it for him.

Gretzky
That probably just pissed the hockey gods off more. (I kid, I kid)

by predhead33 on Dec 28, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoops, sorry. Itchy pinky finger.

by cisar on Dec 28, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Allusions

i know it’s a bit off topic with the thread, but i had to say it.

I love it when good writers employ literary devices so well. Good job sir.

"Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers"

by flyalder on Dec 28, 2010 11:50 PM EST reply actions  

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