Time Machine: Blackhawks and Predators
While the calendar creeps towards faceoff on Friday night, lets take some time to review past doings with the Chicago Blackhawks. Admittedly, there isn't much of a the bitter rivalry factor with these Central Division pals, but there are certainly some notable moments to remind you of and the season series to revisit...
Remember these?
4. Hat tricks o' plenty
An interesting statistical note from the team media guide shows that in the all-time Nashville/Chicago series, the Predators have registered four hat tricks to the Blackhawks' one (Jeff Hamilton, 12/2/06):
- Rob Valicevic, 11/10/99
- Petr Tenkrat, 12/15/01
- Scott Hartnell, 2/4/06
- David Legwand, 1/2/07
3. Dan Hamhuis knees Tuomo Ruutu
On December 2nd, 2006, the Predators lost to the Chicago Blackhawks 4-3 in overtime. The buzz afterwards, however, was the following hit and resulting fight between Dan Hamhuis and Brent Seabrook:
From the angle in the video, it was certainly a questionable hit on Hamhuis' part. 'Hammer' went unpenalized, however, Seabrook received an instigator penalty and a game misconduct. While Ruutu is not on the team anymore, and its doubtful that there remains any bad blood between Seabrook and Hamhuis, the physicality level in the series will be something to keep an eye on. Both squads ice players more than capable of mixing it up (see: Tootoo, Jordin and Eager, Ben).
2. Jay Zawaski labels Nashvillians 'hill rods', fixes NHL for Gary Bettman
In December of 2009, ChicagoNow 'journalist' Jay Zawaski took the opportunity to propose an NHL realignment plan. His idea? Move Chicago to a division with only Original Six teams, and banish Nashville to an expansion team-only division because the Blackhawks don't have a rivalry with the Predators:
So why are Predators so uninteresting? They've been competitive at times. They've battled the Hawks for playoff spots before.
The answer is Nashville. At least to me, there is a mental block that a team from Nashville Tennessee doesn't frickin' matter. It's the most un-hockey place on the planet.
Hell, when the Preds score they play Tim McGraw's, "I Like It, I Love It, I Want Some More of It" song. Way to buck the stereotype hill rods.
That pretty much speaks for itself. Found in the comments of that article was a confession from Jay that he had 'never attended a game in Nashville'. Well, then. He certainly should be able to speak with authority on Nashville hockey.
They say nothing builds animosity like a playoff series. Hope you're watching, Jay, and if you head to Nashville this postseason, do look me up.
1. Steve Sullivan returns from two year absence against former team
The longer the 'Timmins Tornado' was out of the game of hockey, the more Predators fans feared his career was over for good. So when he started practicing with the team again, there was justified skepticism throughout the fanbase. Sullivan had played most of his career with Chicago, and was able to make an emotional return to the ice against the Blackhawks.
If you're wondering which player will be the most motivated this postseason, look no further than Sully. He not only will compete against his former team, but also missed the last two playoffs the Predators participated in.
2009-10 season series
October 15: Blackhawks 3, Predators 1
Back when Nashville couldn't score and Pekka Rinne couldn't save, the Blackhawks were tearing through the NHL. At the time, commenters were wondering if Trotz should go and even Dirk was left scratching his head.
October 24: Blackhawks 2, Predators 0
Wait, there was a problem with letting opponents park in front of the net? Never heard of it...
October 29: Predators 2, Blackhawks 0
Rinne bagged his first of seven shutouts, and there was improvement (albeit slowly) in the special teams.
December 4: Predators 4, Blackhawks 1
Despite Dan Hamhuis getting completely owned by Jonathan Toews on an early highlight reel goal, Nashville bounced back in a big way as the victories started to pick up during a nine win month.
December 26: Blackhawks 4, Predators 1
The Predators had a chance to close the Central Division lead to two points, but were absolutely shelled in this one. Chicago registered 40 shots on goal.
December 27: Blackhawks 5, Predators 4
In their only game against Antti Niemi this season, the Preds were able to put four goals on the board and come back from two down. Didn't matter, though, as Dan Ellis was unable to stop Patrick Kane in the waning minutes.
Conclusion
While it doesn't have the background of Nashville's rivalry with San Jose or Detroit, there's the makings of a spirited tussle between two good teams here. What do you think?
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interesting..
2-0 blackhawks and then 2-0 preds
4-1 preds and then 4-1 hawks
i think this is going to be a close series. it will be decided in 7 games, 6 at least
Nice of you to join us
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Apr 13, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
We flew up for the December 4 game
…and never have 22-thousand roaring, raving fans fallen so silent. A repeat Friday night would make outstanding TV.
by Hockey Hillbilly on Apr 13, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions
yes we do have some fickle fans
but the playoffs are a much different matter. I would expect the UC to be rocking the whole game. Too bad it’s not in the old Stadium where you could literally see the rafters vibrate. Good luck to you guys and I’m sure it will be an exciting series.
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The Stadium was classic
…but they don’t call the new place the Madhouse on Madison for nothing.
by Hockey Hillbilly on Apr 13, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
There was a game against the Nucks
last playoffs (Kaner’s hattrick, Lou’s tears) that the players said was so loud they couldn’t hear the coaches while on the bench.
And nice recap of the season and history. This should be a entertaining series
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The only Cup we can win is this years
Speaking as a Hawks and Cubs fan
Hawks fans are more and more becoming like Cubs fans (note: Fans not Teams), extremely devoted, and knowledgeable about the game. IT is becoming a way of like for the Cold Season, like the Cubs are for the Fields of Green. The old fans are back (those of us who went in exile during the dark days of Dollar Bill in protest), and the Hawks like the Cubs are driving the Heritage/History of the team. Their is an expectation of winning now, not a hope like the Cubs. That being said
I would fully expect the roof of the UC to be blown off on Friday just for the Anthem, and the whole building Vibrate for every goal, and the Whole City know just when (and if) they win.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 13, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Rob Valicevic and Petr Tenkrat with hat-tricks....
gosh, I’d forgot about that!… that’s as “old school” as Preds hockey gets right there! ……seems like a million years ago…….
by hockeydekefreak on Apr 13, 2010 5:05 PM EDT reply actions
Going into Sundays game, this was the matchup I wanted to avoid
When the Preds played the trap (as I have been informed they do not now) back in NOV-DEC, the Preds played the Hawks very very well. I would have felt better vs. LAK or COL to be honest.
I very much feel the Hawks are easily the better team in Lines 1-4 and pairs 1-3, with Niemi doing very well now. But that being said, I think Two things a key in this series.
1. What Hawks team will show up? The one that plays to ITS potential, or the talent of the opposing team. That being the Hawks all to often play softer against the lower teams and let them make it a game, but also will turn it around and shut down top 5 teams. Will the Hawks play 60 minutes of high speed, fast transition, D-Pressing Hockey, or 30-40-50 minutes of that with long lapses in between?
2. The Preds D. (I know they don’t trap) But that being said, the Trap WAS effective against the Hawks. If the Preds can clog the Neutral Zone and prevent the transition the Hawks love, frustrate the Forwards and make the D-men play lower in the zone, the Preds can make this a very interesting series. But I really think if the Preds try to play the Hawks game, it will not go well for the Preds. The Hawks have way too much depth in the Forwards and D-Men for them to cover all of that. This will lead to way to many 1-0 2-1, 3-1/2 breakaways against the Preds, mainly from the Toews and Kane Lines, while Versteeg (who does have speed) would be all to willing to try this as well on his line.
I could be wrong, but this is my take on the two things that will decide how this series goes.
The Hawks set numerous team records this year in wins and points, but hey the Preds are sitting triple digit points too
This is going to be a ride for both teams, but fun for only one. Hang on, its about to get rough!
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 13, 2010 8:25 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks for stopping by. I don’t have time to address the whole post, but I have no idea how the Hawks are better than Nashville on the D-pairs. You’ve got Dustin Byfuiglen (sp) on your top pair and Jordan Hendry getting time. Nashville has seven legit top four defensemen, with three unquestioned number ones. Did you happen to watch the Olympics? Both Shea Weber and Ryan Suter outplayed Keith and Seabrook. I’m not necessarily saying we should take those performances and translate them to the NHL playoffs, but I think that was an accurate display of their talent.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 13, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer Buff, you can't mess up the name that way
D-Men Pairs is what I’m looking at, not individuals. DK is a legit Norris Candidate, while Biscuit and Hammer have played very well. I’m not knocking your guys, I know it is not the first time I have mentioned it, but the Preds D is my biggest concern. It is at the Blue line where I think for all three pairings, the Hawks beat out the Preds. The Offensive potential or contributions. They do not need to score the goal, or even get the primary or secondary assist, but their play at the Blue Line to the Half Boards is what lets the Hawks forwards do their best. Then the D-game they play back to and into the zone, shows up in SAG, the league lowest. BUT missing Soupy and the Dead Guy (Campbell and Johnsson) really does hurt, especially for our Clown Shoes Exposition (aka PP). Buff is doing admirably for a FWD being thrust into the D-Role, Sopel does at least know how to get in way of pucks, and that leaves who ever Q picks from a hat for the night.
I’m not saying the Preds D is bad at all, and once again my biggest concern on the Preds. But for both sides of the line center line 1-3 pairings, I give advantage Hawks, not by a massive margin, but an advantage. I expect the Hawks to get more pucks on net, creating more chances (unless Rinne is a sponge and no rebounds). I also expect the Hawks D will be more active in the O-Zone than the Preds, unless things turn ugly than all hell breaks lose, cats and dogs live together, and the sun fails to rise in the morning. At that point, it is your game to win. If the Preds D can Hold the Zone and/or Clog Center Ice, this series is wide open, this will level the field drastically.
For either side it will depend on the Goal Tender from that point stopping the shots that get through, and the FWDs to keep the slot clear, to finish up the D-end of business.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 13, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Find a replay of the last Detroit/Nashville game...
It will change your mind about whether or not thePred D can clog up the neutral zone on transition. Even the Detroit announcers were getting annoyed…(admittedly we did have a few uncharacteristic TO by the D in that game.)
As far as pairs…you will not find a better pair than Weber/Suter. Not in Chicago, not in Detroit, not anywhere.
by TitanPredBearFan on Apr 13, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, I know you’re a Hawks fan and all, but try and objectively look at the top six (currently iced) defensemen on both teams. Even if I were a Hawks fan, there’s no way in Hades I’d tell someone that Keith/Buff/Hjammer/Sopel/Hendry/Seabrook are better than Suter/Weber/Hamhuis/Klein/Grebeshkov/Franson/Cube. I can run stats if you want, but its not all that necessary. Top to bottom, Nashville has the best defensive corps in the NHL and while Chicago is second its not real close without Soup and Johnsson.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 13, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why they play the games.
I have no doubt the Preds can clog the zone, because they did that very well in the games this season. The Preds D IS VERY VERY GOOD. Could it be over hype in my team, sure, that may be the Cubs fan in me, always the optimist, while being a pessimist. But I tell you what, the Hawks were NOT 6th in GA/G and 1st in SA/G because of “stellar” Goal Tending (.903 SV%). But these number did rise after loosing Soupy and Johnsson. Unfortunately stats do not show everything. Toews only led in PPG, but was probably the most influential player on the ice in developing Offensive Zone Chances. The same could easily be said of Hossa. Somethings stats do not pick up in how much a player is to the play, though Hossa may have beat Kane out in Goals over a full 82 games and did tie for +24 rating. It is this part of the game in baseball called “the intangibles” I see the Hawks D-men winning, not the stuff that shows up on the score sheet.
They do not need to score the goal, or even get the primary or secondary assist, but their play at the Blue Line to the Half Boards is what lets the Hawks forwards do their best.I will not be surprised to see the Preds D-men play better D than the Hawks, you are right w/o Soupy and the Dead Guy, yours line up better than the Hawks, and Weber and Suter and the others not withstanding can both certainly put rubber on net. But it is how the Hawks D-men free up the unholy line of Toews-Hossa-Sharp and such that will be huge in this game. Also According to Darren Dreger (TSN), his sources have confirmed that Brian Campbell is recovering remarkably and could be back as soon as the middle of the series (presumably Game 4 or 5).
Only playing the game will show, and it will be fun to see, and hopefully at the end I have four letter words thrown at me for being right, because Lord knows they WILL be headed your way if I’m wrong! Anyways You guys sure as hell have good ground to stand on in your argument without a doubt, and watching this team I’m sticking to mine. I really think this is going to be a fun series, my heart will probably asplode at some point, while my liver tries to hide in my leg from abuse. You all take care.
Hopefully next we discuss the Forward Lines!
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 13, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
SCH Vistor here,
I do agree with the points made above, but I think one element that you are forgetting in the defensive zone is what guys like Hossa, Toews, and (hopefully in playoff form) Madden do on the backcheck. They provide so much pressure that it gives guys like Hendry and Sopel some breathing room. While I think the Preds are a solid team, I don’t think they have that kind of defensive talent on their forward lines.
On another note, I hope Eager doesn’t continue his quest to turn his brain into pudding. The fourth line has been clicking too well for him to go out and act as resident punching bag.
Olympics
Weber and Suter are both studs, and definitely showcased their talents during that tournament. Look, I think they’re both better than Seabs, but saying they “outplayed” him is a bit unfair, since he didn’t get much ice time. However, I didn’t think either Weber or Suter significantly outplayed Keith. I thought Keith and Weber were Canada’s two best defensemen, and the numbers suggest that’s true.
I’m not trying to be nit-picky or anything, it just seems like the common perception of how your team’s guys play in the Olympics is very skewed (not singling out Nashville fans, I’m talking about everyone here). I read a comment here on OTF (actually, I think it was a post from Dirk) a couple days ago about how Kane didn’t really show up in the Olympics. Meanwhile, I thought he was USA’s second best forward during the tournament behind Parise (though Kane was horse poop during the first game against Switzerland). In any case, it will be fun to watch 4 of the best defensemen in the game grind it out for 4 games (I won’t say who I think wins ;)
by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 14, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, first off I disagreed with Dirk’s Olympic assessment of Kane. I was quite impressed with him against Finland and Canada.
No, they didn’t ‘significantly’ outplay Keith, but Suter especially was incredible. He was there in every situation imaginable. As for Weber, he was simply a lot more noticeable than Keith because he was always on the power play and taking on Ovechkin and whatnot. I have to be honest- I noticed Doughty more than Keith, but then again, thats probably a good thing for Duncan ‘cause it means he wasn’t screwing anything up like DD did a couple of times.
Anyway, its gonna be good!
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by Chris Burton on Apr 14, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Doughty was a stud as well
I think Duncs can go unnoticed because he doesn’t really go for the bit hit all that often, if ever. He reminds me more of Lidstrom (I know, lofty comparison) with the way he positions himself, and his stick work is nearly flawless. He’s been a little off since the Olympics, but that could be due to the fact that he’s been partnered with a struggling Seabrook and then a converted forward in Byfuglien. I think someone on SCH once described him on an off night as a “spazshow”—I thought that summed it up nicely. Plus, Duncs isn’t prone to showing off by shooting a puck through the net like that flashy Weber guy.
by HungryHungryPanda on Apr 14, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
But that is more of DK's style
DK really goes unnoticed allot on the ice, allot like Soupy, unless they really screw up which happens. I do not think allot of Hawks fans even really realized what Campbell did for the team, until he was gone. DK I think means as much to the play in his own quiet way, Hammer as well. Nothing really flashy but watching them, the are the catalyst for so much, and poke check here, deflected pass there, blocked shot, keep at the line, getting the puck at or behind the net, being in the right place, etc… On the other hand, if they leave their brain on the bench, like they did for March, it is going to be painfull and will really drag the Hawks Forwards down.
Weber and Suter are going to cause who ever they are matched against fits on both sides of Center. IT is going to be cool to watch this whole deal play out.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 14, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Hawks are easily the better team in Lines 1-4 and pairs 1-3, with Niemi doing very well now.
Isn’t that the entire team sans backup goalie?
Primary Goalie, I'm not calling who is better, probably draw.
Just noting Niemi has been playing well. Backup Goalie, well hmmm Huet, well sure.As well noted above I’m calling advantage to Hawks on the D-Men. We have not discussed Forwards I’m not calling the top Two lines Close, Significant Advantage Hawks. Bottom two lines, calling advantage Hawks, now. That is based on the way the have been playing as of late. But if Eager or Kopy loose their brain or equilibrium again, 4th line is mush. If Versteeg keeps ignoring the “Dump Puck Here” sign at centerline when their are 2-3 opposing players in front of you, than Mad-Dog’s 3rd line becomes just a hold it line, and not a scoring threat, but a TO threat.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Apr 14, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions

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