Is it time to take the captaincy from Jason Arnott?
As we begin to evaluate just what went wrong with the postseason edition of the 2009-10 Nashville Predators, one of the first things that came to my mind after Game Six was the state of the Predators' captaincy. Jason Arnott had a disappointing regular season, and basically failed to show up the entire series outside of a short spurt in the elimination game that was a day late and a dollar short.
After the jump, the case for and against taking the captaincy from Jason Arnott.
First, comments from head coach Barry Trotz on the very subject, as recorded by the good folks at Preds on the Glass. (2:22 mark)
A couple of things jump out at me here. One, that Arnott might not have been an ideal choice for the captaincy - it sounds like his appointment was more of necessity when the team went through the turnover it did and lost Kimmo Timonen. Second, that Trotz says Jason was 'uncomfortable' and has done a 'decent job'. In several years' hindsight, it makes sense that Arnott was given the 'C'. None of the younger players were ready, and Steve Sullivan was injured. Between these comments, and saying that they would 'reevaluate our leadership', it sounds to me like Barry Trotz has left the door open for a change.
Why They Should
The case for a new captain:
- Arnott's on ice leadership seems to be lacking. He doesn't always give 100%, gets angry when a call or play doesn't go his way, and seems to sulk when he goes through a rough patch.
- Between his age, concussion history, and career accomplishments, you have to wonder if he's going to think about hanging them up soon. Its probably a better idea to turn the reins over to someone else while he's still on the team and able to mentor.
- For the sake of the young players. Arnott doesn't assimilate with young line mates and has gotten upset when not paired with Steve Sullivan or J.P. Dumont. Players like Colin Wilson and Patric Hornqvist need leadership and encouragement, not discouragement.
Why They Shouldn't
The case for keeping the 'C' with Arny:
- He's the most veteran player on the team, and the only one with a Cup ring. Having scored a Stanley Cup winning goal, he knows what it takes to win on the biggest stage.
- When he's playing well, he can singlehandedly take the team on his back. Remember the mad push for the playoffs in 2008-09? The problem is these stretches are few and far between.
Comparable Instances
Over the last couple years in the NHL, there have been three captaincy changes that would be similar to Nashville's. A player is underperforming and perhaps not suited to a leadership role in the NHL. They were Rod Brind'Amour to Eric Staal in Carolina, Patrick Marleau to Rob Blake in San Jose, and Mike Modano to Brenden Morrow in Dallas. I had a word with some of the bloggers who cover these teams to get their takes on the respective situations.
First, Cory Lavalette from our SB Nation Hurricanes affiliate Canes Country:
Carolina's decision to change captains was surprising for many, even if the concept was kicked around among some fans. The big key to this being successful - and while the Canes were better after Eric Staal got the "C," I wouldn't say it's considered a slam-dunk move yet; only time will tell - is the grace in which Rod Brind'Amour handled it. The situation in Carolina wasn't about leadership issues, but rather a changing of the guard.
The other recent examples, Modano and Marleau, were examples of teams that had failed in the postseason despite regular-season success. Brind'Amour was considered among the game's best captains just a few years ago, and of course led Carolina to the Stanley Cup in 2006. But with Staal the clear heir-apparent to No. 17 and Brind'Amour's play deteriorating courtesy age and injury, the Hurricanes approached Brind'Amour to see if he would be willing to pass the torch to Staal sooner rather than later. His willingness to do so was a final act of captaincy that rippled through the organization and made their exchange of roles as seamless as possible.
Now we hear from Brad Gardner, managing editor of Defending Big D:
The captaincy switch in Dallas was a controversial one, but few would question that it was the right move. Brenden Morrow was 27 at the time, and had just signed a six year extension with the Stars. His unquestionable heart and work ethic made him the perfect "lead by example" captain on an aging team playing a young mans game. It was a gratuitous confluence of circumstances and timing. A good fit. Some felt it was handled poorly, but Modano maintained there were no hard feelings. The two remain (to our eyes) good friends to this day, and as everyone could see this April, Mike Modano's legacy wasn't tarnished in the least.
In this case, it was the play and passion of the new captain that facilitated the move; Not lackluster play by the old one. Our advice: If you do it, make sure you have a strong candidate in waiting.
Finally, Mr. Plank of Fear the Fin:
From the outside looking in, I think Arnott is a good Captain-- he always struck me as a guy who would be a great leader in the locker room, and was consistently a twenty five goal threat. Furthermore, as was the case last offseason when the Sharks stripped Marleau of the C, it's hard for to gauge the tangible importance of who wears that sacred letter on their chest. I think it's primarily a function of the locker room and coaching staff to determine who they feel is best fit for the job, especially considering the off-ice responsibilities that position carries.
That being said, and attempting to approach this from the mind of Nashville, it might not be a bad idea. It seems to me that the Predators are stuck in the phase between transitioning to the future at this point, with the lack of a first round victory in franchise history likely wearing on everyone's mind. Making that jump into the future by awarding it to a guy like Shea Weber who will be contributing immensely to the team's success, compared to a guy like Arnott who is on the downswing of his career, could inject some life into the team and put more emphasis on the role of leading by example. The downside to this is that Weber's contract will likely be more expensive than it is already projected to be. His agent will definitely use this in negotiations.
It's not a move I necessarily feel is essential to team or individual success; if Patrick Marleau and the Sharks advance it will be due to their increased bottom line depth and the play of Nabokov in front of an average defense, not because Rob Blake wears the C. But for a team who is in that transition phase of getting excited about the future as their younger players slide into their prime, it is definitely something I'm sure Barry Trotz will consider.
Out with the old and in with the new as they say.
Conclusion
In my mind, its past time that Jason Arnott hand the keys of this franchise to one of its younger and more hard working players who will lead by example. On Monday, we'll examine what I believe to be the legitimate candidates going forward. Till then, what say you?
Many, many thanks to Plank, Brad, and Cory for their time and great help with this piece, and be sure to check out Preds beat writer John Glennon's thoughts on the matter as well.
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My question for you is...
Who would you give it to if you take it away from Arnott?
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I can’t spoil that surprise!
On Monday, we’ll examine what I believe to be the legitimate candidates going forward.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 30, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah dang.
I must have missed that part.
OH…..the suspense!!!
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 30, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
:). Thanks for stopping by!
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by Chris Burton on Apr 30, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets try and keep the comments related to the question – should Arnott lose the ‘C’? We can tackle who gets it all you want on Monday. Felt like keeping the two separate would be good because they are in fact separate issues.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 30, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I got us off track.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 30, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No sweat. You missed the punch line ;).
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by Chris Burton on Apr 30, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It's certainly a tough question
But it’s obvious that something needs to change for the Preds to take that next step. They’ve been on the cusp of being great nearly every season, but the leadership on the ice is certainly lacking at times.
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When Arnott played for the Stars, did he have effort and attitude problems?
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by Chris Burton on Apr 30, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, yes he did. I don’t think we were ever content with Arnott on the team, no matter what his numbers for the season might have been. He was a guy who has great, great talent and the ability to seemingly score at will (at least then he did) but at times just skated through games as if he didn’t care much.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 30, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats him to a T here. And why he was my most frustrating player. Theoretically, he’s an elite center in the league if you look at his talent. And yeah, when he turns it on its a beautiful thing.
Sadly, we rarely see it.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 30, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly, and it’s frustrating to watch. He was always an outsider on the team, and I don’t think it helped that the Stars traded Langenbrunner and Nieuwendyk to get the guy. Not to mention he was on the line that destroyed the Stars in the 2000 finals. No one wanted him there, especially the fans, and it showed on the ice too many times that his head was never fully in the game.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 30, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats some good insight, and its interesting to see that the more things change the more they really do stay the same.
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by Chris Burton on Apr 30, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
One last thing: did he wear a letter in Dallas?
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by Chris Burton on Apr 30, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I want to say that he wore an “A”, but I can’t be certain of that.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 30, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
After looking into it...
I don’t think he ever did.
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by Brandon Worley on Apr 30, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Arnott probably would have had even more piled on him in Dallas
If not for all the attention Bill Guerin was getting as well during his considerable droughts.
by Brad Gardner on Apr 30, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
take the C
i think he needs to give up the C as well. i do beilieve, and cant much complain, that the concussions have affected him. hard to say i wouldnt be worried in his shoes. i definately think w/ only 2 games back before the playoffs had something to w/ him being a no show til monday night. however, if he is anything less than 110% commited, even if for a decent reason, he cant wear it. my worry, compounded by brandons comments, is how will he handle it. could be quite a mess.
i believe so,
for most of the same reasons others have mentioned above. he seems to have a good locker room presence, and can shine when he want’s to, just seems to be to little to late. maybe Captians have different ways of leading, i don’t know, but i wish that he would show more hustle on the ice. but as we try to go forward into a new season, maybe a change in who wears the C might help. i certainly don’t see how it could hurt.
Take the C? Not only that - he should retire...
His elite spurts are so few and far between, he’s barely doing anything for the team. And for a leader to not really put in effort drags down the team, or at very least the line he’s on. Which I do see, when I watch them out there.
We have some great boys that could be C on the team. But as pointed out earlier, give them the C after contracts have been signed! ;)
Know your stats...
He played 63 games and still had a noble 47 points- despite the constant jumblings of linemates many whom have played their first year in the NHL. Come on Don all the top centermen in the league have elite wingers end of story. Arnott just to be healthy not retire- if he moves to another team: let’s just say NJ Devils and played with Elias and Parise totally different outcome- no question.
Take it...
I rarely see him conversing on the ice with his teammates or giving any kind of boost or encouragement to the young guys. The only thing I worry about, is if you take the ‘C’ from him and he gets butt hurt, who’s to say he won’t lolly gag for the entire season? Trotz does this wrong and Arnott will be benched mid-season.
NHL 10 for XBox 360 is like paying $60 for bipolar disorder...
Go Predators!!!
I think the time has come.
Believe me I’m the biggest Arnott fan from way back when but it’s time for a change. I think he was the perfect captain for the team during the past few years. He was/is a veteran who could provide guidance for the future foundation of the team. Well that foundation has grown up and it is time for the reigns to pass. I have my vote for the next cap’n but I’ll wait for the proper venue to voice my opinion.
by jerseypredsfan on Apr 30, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
I think this one nails it
On this team at this time, I also think it’s more a case that we have some young leaders who are entering their prime and would make ideal candidates for the C. Fans generally only see what goes on in a game, and not all captains (even many acclaimed ones) aren’t vocal, rah-rah guys. And as far as on-ice effort goes, people need to realize that 6-5 forwards don’t skate like 5-7 ones – from Jean Beliveau on down through the ages they get criticized as lazy because their legs don’t whirl around like the Sully’s of the league. (this is a rather large pet peeve of mine)
He was the logical choice back in 2007, and I think he did a great job leading that 2007-8 team into the playoffs. He darn near carried them on his back into the playoffs in 2008-9, falling just short despite setting a new team record in goal scoring. Yes, he had a disappointing season this year, but I think that was due to injury more than anything else.
You could criticize him for not being a larger media presence, perhaps. For a team that is still in the “growing the market” stage, they could certainly use that. The impression I get from the Preds is that they are indeed laying the groundwork for a change, but I just hope people don’t set their expectations for a Captain too high. It’s a “C” on the chest, not an “S”.
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Good points Dirk...
The same has been said about Franson’s speed this year, but he always had great closing speed and could turn the play with ease if you were really paying attention. Guys like Sully, who have to take 3 1/2 strides for every 1 of either Arnie or Franson’s look alot faster than they really are. Sully is just alot more elusive and stealthy in his skating ability than any guy 6’3" and above could ever hope to be.
I personally think Arnie has been a good captain, but it’s time for a changing of the guard. For the first time in recent memory it seems there is a definite demarcation between the “Old Vets” and the “Young Guns”. A more definite dividing line than I can ever remember seeing on the team. To really start moving toward the future, someone will have to wear the “C” that can bridge that gap better than Arnie can. IMO we have 4 good candidates, but I will save that for the next discussion.
by TitanPredBearFan on May 1, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Good points Dirk...
The same has been said about Franson’s speed this year, but he always had great closing speed and could turn the play with ease if you were really paying attention. Guys like Sully, who have to take 3 1/2 strides for every 1 of either Arnie or Franson’s look alot faster than they really are. Sully is just alot more elusive and stealthy in his skating ability than any guy 6’3" and above could ever hope to be.
I personally think Arnie has been a good captain, but it’s time for a changing of the guard. For the first time in recent memory it seems there is a definite demarcation between the “Old Vets” and the “Young Guns”. A more definite dividing line than I can ever remember seeing on the team. To really start moving toward the future, someone will have to wear the “C” that can bridge that gap better than Arnie can. IMO we have 4 good candidates, but I will save that for the next discussion.
by TitanPredBearFan on May 1, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think you can separate the discussion of taking the "C" from Arnott
from the issue of who gets it next. I don’t have any issue with Arnott being captain, honestly, he’s a pretty well liked and certainly a good player. That said, we have two players that need to feel the love so they can take hometown discounts on big extensions a year from now.
I love ya Arny but...
Its time to move forward and this is the obviously next step. We have Sully and Weber, both of which are great candidates in my opinion, to chose from here. He will still add veteran presence on the team and possibly contribute more without the “C”. I defended him during the season, he was our Captain but its time to move on.
agreed
i do want to emphasize, i dont blame him for our playoff exit, but i think this is a time we need some changes. we all know it wont be horachek so this would be an option to try
Im my opinion if you take it from Arnott who is in the last year of his contract and give it to someone else who is in the last year of his contract as Sullivan will be, who may likely be gone also, they will end up revisiting it in another year. I think giving it to Weber seems like the obvious choice, if not Suter.
Been saying all year that Arnott needs to lose the "C"
Your captain needs to be your leader on the ice and in the locker room. When your captain is hardly on the ice, he shouldn’t be the captain. I think I saw Suter wearing the “A” for most of the year it seems. Been saying since December it needs to given to Shea with Suter and Sully getting the "A"s, but that argument is for Monday.
Mixed feelings
Through out the whole season players have made comments in interviews regarding Arnott that lead me to the only logical conclusion that he provided SOMETHING to the team that is not only valuable but missed when he’s out for injury. While I can’t disagree that his on-ice performance has been at least a little disappointing this season, I am not convinced his actions as the CAPTAIN in the locker room (something we as fans aren’t privy to) haven’t been not only beneficial but also pivotal in getting the team as far as they got.
Perhaps Arnott’s contribution was something ‘worth while’ at the beginning of the season and fizzled by the time he had to be out for this last concussion. But up THROUGH that last injury, many of the players interviews I saw indicated Arnott was sorely missed in the locker room if not on the ice.
So, while I think a major shake up for the team: change in staff (), change in leadership (), change in players (??) might be the key to making performance better, I am not CONVINCED any one or all of these will bring the desired result.
This was a transition season
when the Predators appeared to climb out of the 2007 fire sale abyss. Now it’s time to step up to the next level. Arnott provided a steadying service as captain through the uncertainties of the 2008-9 season, but in 2009-10 he was clearly uncomfortable surrounded by younger players eager to prove their NHL mettle. He made no secret of his wish to play with veterans like Sullivan and Dumont rather than newbies like Hornqvist. Too often he trailed the play down the ice. Too often he sulked after bad calls. Too often he glided unconcernedly to the bench on line changes. Frankly, that attitude held the team back—particularly in the early stages of the season. Then his concussion took him out of the lineup for eight games down the stretch and he generated zero offense for the first five games of the playoffs. It certainly is time to allow a younger player to assume the captaincy to maintain upward momentum. But a key question is how Arnott would react. Would Arnott bring the grace of a Rod Brind’Amour to the move? Or would he react negatively to change, as his track record suggests he might? Trotz is obviously open to appointing a new captain, judging from his presser commentary, but it’s also plain that he’s weighing all the factors. Perhaps that includes Arnott’s likely reaction. Maybe it was a pretty good idea to keep a veteran like Wade Belak around to maintain a sense of equilibrium in the locker room if and when the move is made..
by Hockey Hillbilly on May 1, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good points. Agree with all of them.
Since my fandom of Arnott started with a deep level of respect based on his ‘apparent’ leadership skills 2-3 years ago, I sincerely hope he behaves with the utmost decorum if/when the “C” is removed from his jersey.
Great post, Hillbilly, and rec’d.
His reaction concerns me as well. As Jones mentioned, if he’s not planning on retiring then I doubt he slacks because he wants another deal. But if he is headed into the sunset, and the captaincy is taken, then who knows what’ll happen. In my opinion, your captain should be a combination of things (most of which Arnott isn’t), not the least of which the hardest working player on the ice. Outside of maybe Dumont, Arnott ‘appears’ (granted, no one knows what goes on behind closed doors) to be one of the more lackadaisical players on the team.
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I'd say...
coax/force him into retirement. He may not want to play if they just take away the C, so be it. We can use the cap room. Poile seems pretty confident and willing to bring Radulov back, whenever he can get out of the KHL. I still think this is the way to go, Arnie retires – Rads comes back. People make mistakes, and I think we’d be stupid to let Rads go to another NHL team.
radulov?
we would be idiotic to even mention his name in the same sentence as nashville for anything other than a trade for his rights. thats when or if he may return
There's good news and bad news there
The bad news, of course, is that he’s not coming back for at least another year.
The good news is that many of the guys who have left for the KHL recently are coming back to the NHL as their contracts come up (Hudler, Filatov, etc.).
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I think Arnott is not the leader on the ice anymore in practice. Sure, he wears the C, but with the exception of maybe a dozen games has not been the same player this year that he was before the concussion problems. That is by no means his fault or under his control. The guy has had a great career over the whole, with ups and downs. Perhaps not as consistent as we the fans would have liked. Still the fact remains if Jason remains on this team it is not fair to put the same expectations on him that the organization had before. Maybe I am wrong and he can get close to that level again with a summer’s rest and training, I would love to see that. But the guy has to be thinking about life after hockey and his family, too.
The Preds have their own interests to protect here. Trotz’s comments are refreshingly candid. I am glad they show at least a public willingness to put everything on the table. I sincerely hope he can follow thru with this.
I know it is a Monday topic, but I don’t see any point in giving Sully the C— he is not long for this team, either. If they move it, it will be to one of the young core.
Strip the C yesterday
If he doesn’t retire maybe he gets mad enough to request a trade. I would gladly take a 3rd or 4th round pick over paying Arnott 4.5 for another year of lazy, selfish hockey.
contract time
i think it all depends on what the preds want to do with him in the long term. if next year’s his last, then he should probably get downgraded to an “A,” and one of the d-men should get the captain role.
i wouldn’t completely write the guy off because he’s meant a lot to this franchise for the reasons stated above, but the young guys have certainly come of age this past year, and i think everyone’s looking for more things to come.
that being said, the captain needs to be a guy who’s gonna be around for the next few years. i don’t think it sets the right tone for us to have a one and done captain next year. if the preds plan on keeping arnott a few more years, then they should consider letting him keep the “C”. he’s put in the work over his career. if not, its time for one of the younger guys to step up and grab the reins.
Arnott is the only one whom has a clue!!!
Yes the big 19 had a injury plagued year but he is the only one whom seems to have a clue in the right direction.
Coach Trotz should have stepped in when those horrid reffing calls were being made- Arnott had have it.
And why shouldn’t he be mad when he is not paired with JP Dumont??? Whenever they are paired together someone is going to get a point on that line. Just like every other top center men in the NHL all desire razor sharp wingers nothing new ….it’s called wanting to win.
Preds have deeper issues to deal with- Arnott signed when we had major contenders on this team whom have all jumped ship. Let’s hope he does not too

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