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David Legwand: slumping or misused?

You're probably aware by now that the Nashville Predators' top two-way center (or is he?) hasn't been producing on the offensive end of the rink the way fans, bloggers, and Barry Trotz would like. The actual numbers, however, might alarm you.

Here are Leggy's point totals since December 31st against Columbus:

GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2009 - David Legwand-12/31 to current 39 3 11 14 -2 12 0 n/a n/a 0 63 n/a

In the 41 games before that, David had eight goals and sixteen assists, which in my mind is a reasonable expectation (averaged out over a year) for an above-average defensive player being payed $4.5 million a year. The mega-slump has been hard to peg because Legwand has predominantly played with the same linemates (Joel Ward and Jerred Smithson) and hasn't been injured at all (that we know of). We know he's capable, too, because he's had two 20 goal campaigns in his career, one of them coming just last year. 

Quickly, lets look at what could be done to reignite David Legwand's offensive game:

  • Give him new linemates. Ward and Smithson aren't known for their o-zone prowess, and perhaps a player like J.P. Dumont could help get him going. 
  • Move him to the wing. Barry Trotz tried it last year with varying results, but some dedicated time in a position that carries more emphasis on scoring might not hurt. 
  • 'Bench' him. Obviously, Nashville can't outright sit Legwand, and I wouldn't want them to, but reducing his ice time in order to send a subtle message could snap him out of it. This isn't a very viable choice, however, as Legwand contributes so much more on defense than what shows up on the stat sheet. 

Its a strange case, to be sure. On the one hand, you can't ask much more of a guy who keeps at bay teams' most potent offensive lines. On the other hand, the Predators are a much more dangerous team with David Legwand contributing offensively. What do you think is the 'problem' with David Legwand, and what would you do to fix it? 

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"a guy who keeps at bay teams' most potent offensive lines"

why, oh why, can’t the masses, and my seat mates, understand that this is a vitally important part of the game?

by HartnellsMop on Apr 6, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Trotz said of the ten things he asks Legwand to do, he does eight of them great. One of the other two is scoring. What are his numbers on takeaways, block shots among forwards, faceoffs? Would I like him to score more? Of Course. Do I think he is paid too much? Probably, based on what others at his pay level are doing, but his contract gets cheaper the deeper into it we get. I think he does a great job and makes very few mistakes. He is not an asshole, even though he is not going to be a finalist for the Lady Bing. Bottom line for me: He plays solid, two-way hockey against the top players in the league every game and his +/- speaks for itself when considering this. He has played every game this year.
I like him with Wilson and Erat and they get lots of chances, and could get better, but if we start letting in goals, put him back with Ward and Smitty. Only positive thing about the line change is that we know that both of these lines play good two-way hockey. I wouldn’t put JP DuMont on a line with him.

by cisar on Apr 6, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

One thing to note is that with Jason Arnott back tomorrow, Legwand will be moved off the top line. Expect more Ward-Legwand-Smithson or some other variance involving Dustin Boyd.

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by Chris Burton on Apr 6, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

New Line Mates

I think he does play an invaluable role at the moment. He just might be helped with a JP on his line and moving him to wing. I don’t know if Smithson should take over the center and where does that leave ward?

by EXPECTATIONS on Apr 6, 2010 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Ward

I wouldn’t worry about Ward. He looks great no matter what. I thought him and Dustn Boyd were our best players against Detroit. I say keep Boyd and Ward together and try Leggy with them maybe.

by 29thWard on Apr 6, 2010 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Wardo is definitely one of our most underappreciated guys (right there with Legwand and Goc). You’ll never, ever see Ward take a shift off, and he’s great on the PK. I can’t ask for any more out of him, though I would like to see more of a ‘net presence’ when he’s taking extended offensive shifts.

Boyd-Legwand-Ward sounds pretty good, but that leaves you with Tootoo-Smithson-Dumont? Poor JP :).

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by Chris Burton on Apr 6, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor Smithson and Tootoo.
JP DuMont du Merde

by cisar on Apr 6, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dumont does pretty well despite all the criticism. What does he have, like 17 goals? He’s easily the best setup guy on the team. Can’t pick on him too much. Kevin Klein, on the other hand…

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by Chris Burton on Apr 6, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easily the best set-up guy on the team? Despite the fact that Sullivan, Suter and Erat have more assists. How many of his are second assists? Leggy, Arnott and Weber have one less assist than DuMont. JP is a lollygagger. With a few skills.

by cisar on Apr 6, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because you have more assists doesn’t mean you’re the best set up guy on the team. All passes are not equal, and they certainly don’t all lead to goals. Dumont has not been put in the best position to succeed this year, whereas Suter, Sully, and Erat have. Take a look at last year’s stats when JP was playing with Arny and Sully.

I maintain that JP is the best passer on the team, with Suter not far behind.

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by Chris Burton on Apr 6, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

JP might have the best passing skills on the team, might, but he hasn’t been using them lately, and he passes when he should be shooting. There is no one to blame for JP’s displacement to the lower lines but JP himself. Mostly because he has NOT PLAYED VERY WELL.

by cisar on Apr 7, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy blonde cheerleader Batman...

Kevin Klein…#forehead slap# Although he’s lately picked up his game-…slightly, most of the time when he’s on the ice I’m torn between wanting to take a bathroom break and being terrified to look away from the ice almost like you do when you are about to witness a horrific accident. And when him and Hammer are paired together I’m looking for the beer-man all night long.

by TitanPredBearFan on Apr 6, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I pick C - Neither

I think what is going on is that Trotz has finally figured out exactly how to use Legwand. He’s never going to be the offensive player people wished him to be. Trotz finally realized that and stopped putting Legwand’s round peg in the square hole. He’s taken the offensive pressure off of Legwand and said go out there, play defense against the best players on the other team and just focus on that, any offense is a bonus. I honestly think this has been Legwand’s best year ever.

The problem is that the things he does don’t show up in a stat sheet, and because Legwand has been the whipping boy around here since day one for no apparent reason, too many fans do nothing but look at his stats and use it as an excuse to do more Legwand bashing. There have been countless times this season where I’ve seen goals that came as a direct result of Legwand’s play, his skating or positioning. He didn’t get a point for it so it doesn’t show up in the box score, but without what he was doing those goals don’t get scored.

Would it better if he could do all this and score 25 goals? Sure. Would it be better to not be paying him 4.5 million? Yes. But that doesn’t mean anything is “wrong” with him. That just means he’s not the player other people wanted him to be. He’s still a good player and very important to this team. It’s way past time for people to realize who and what Legwand is and stop holding the high draft pick and the high salary over his head to try to force him to be something he’s not.

And I think changing lines to try to get Legwand to score more would be a terrible move. If we mix up the lines to put Dumont with him, we lose our best defensive unit. And for what? 2, 3 more goals from Legwand? Why not just let him keep doing what he’s been doing all year? Maybe you haven’t noticed but we’ve won 46 games and we’re going into the playoffs as the 5th seed in the western conference. Why change things now when they are obviously working for us?

by lethargic on Apr 6, 2010 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

And I think changing lines to try to get Legwand to score more would be a terrible move. If we mix up the lines to put Dumont with him, we lose our best defensive unit. And for what? 2, 3 more goals from Legwand? Why not just let him keep doing what he’s been doing all year? Maybe you haven’t noticed but we’ve won 46 games and we’re going into the playoffs as the 5th seed in the western conference. Why change things now when they are obviously working for us?

I should’ve clarified this in the post, but I’m not necessarily advocating one thing or the other here; just providing some food for thought. I agree with you that most don’t recognize his contributions, and I try not to bash him as much as most. The point here was to say that we KNOW he can do more while fulfilling his defensive duties-now what will get him to do that?

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by Chris Burton on Apr 6, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Take away the opposing team’s goalie whenever Leggy comes out for a shift?

by cisar on Apr 6, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps we could hire David Backes to run over their goalie?

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by Chris Burton on Apr 6, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

or Henrik Sedin to hump the goalie?

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by Aditya T (smashville) on Apr 6, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m pretty sure thats illegal in 24 states.

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by Chris Burton on Apr 6, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

apparently not in Canada. Ellis remembers.

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by Aditya T (smashville) on Apr 6, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think we do know he can do more. I really think the good two-way player label is wrong. I believe he is as one way as it gets. Yes, you can get more offense out of him, but his defense will suffer. Or you can get more defense out of him, but his offense suffers. I believe his defense trumps his offense so I think Trotz has made the right call in keeping him in a defense first role for much of this season. It has also resulted in him playing every single game for the first time since 2003.

I also think he’s a bit of a sponge. His numbers are directly related to his role and his linemates. If this team would go out and bring in a star to put with Legwand and put him back in an offensive role, you’ll see a vastly different Legwand. In 06-07 Legwand played most of the year next to Paul Kariya. He scored 27 goals, 36 assists and was a +23. But after Kariya left and we got stuck with the Legwand/Erat/Whoever line his points dropped by 20 and he’s never been plus again. Without that kind of player for Legwand to play with, I think his defensive role is a better fit. Had Poile went after Kovy or somebody like that it would make sense to change his role. I just don’t think we have anybody on this team that will make enough of a impact on Legwand’s game to justify making a line/role change.
 
The funny thing is that last year Legwand had 42 points in more of an offensive role. This year he has 38 points in more of a defensive role. Is that really that bad?

by lethargic on Apr 6, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

So far, I’m pretty much in agreement with you as far as expectations, but I differ when it comes to capability. Last year Legwand lined up all over the place and still got us 20 goals (injured much of the tail end of the season). This year is pretty much done and he has 11. What gives? I don’t know, but he had Ward and Smithson last year, not Kariya and Erat.

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by Chris Burton on Apr 6, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t remember them together last year. I remember Legwand played almost all of last year with Erat and Ward as the 2nd offensive unit. Legwand/Smithson/Ward didn’t become a unit until this past October after the horrible losing streak and injuries finally forced Trotz to break up Legwand and Erat.

by lethargic on Apr 6, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smithson's the problem

Smithson is not having his best year, though he got screwed when Preds let Fiddler walk. Smithson doesn’t create nearly the opportunities offensively as even Tootoo, but Tootoo isn’t as good defensively. Smithson’s defensive game on the PK has also taken a major hit this year. I think as a team Fiddler is missed more on the PK that Zanon. … but I have gone off topic. Switch a more effective offensive player with Smithson, like Boyd maybe except he has played well at center, and that line will produce more offensively.

by VApreds on Apr 7, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes...

I completely agree lethargic. I appreciate Leggy’s contributions, we would not be nearly as successful without his defense. Even though I don’t bash Leggy I do think that Dustin Boyd has the potential to be the REAL two-way player that Trotzy is looking for. Boyd, JP and Wardo was a great line against Detroit….hope we don’t bump Boyd down into more of grinding roll now that Arnie is back. I think we’d be wasting his talent…

by TitanPredBearFan on Apr 6, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Boyd’s got hustle. I like that dude, he’s my kind of player.

by BradPerala on Apr 6, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Context

Look, the Predators don’t score a lot of goals. A large part of their game is seeing to it that opponents score even fewer goals. Legwand’s line goes straight up with every other team’s top line for long periods of time every night. Under those circumstances a -2 over the course of this compressed season looks pretty impressive. And he, Suits and Sully are the only Predators who have played every single game. Maybe it’s just where I sit, but I’ve seen a lot less of “Leggy the Laggard” this season.

by Hockey Hillbilly on Apr 6, 2010 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

And we have let in fewer goals than the Capitals!!!

by cisar on Apr 7, 2010 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

nothing now

next year trying a few things, like wing, with leggy is fine. leave him in his role for now. we are playing well so lets not screw around now. never leggy and jp together though cause neither of them ever want to shoot.

by predswilrule on Apr 6, 2010 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, he scores a lot of goals...

…for me, when i play NHL 10 on my PS3!

by BradPerala on Apr 6, 2010 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Legwand is underrated . . .

. . . and totally misused. He’s a solid 2nd or 3rd line player and will never produce 1st line offensive numbers – the sooner Predators’ fans accept this, the greater their appreciation for the quality player Legwand really is.

by HockeyChump on Apr 6, 2010 10:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait till the Playoffs are finished! If Nashville wins it first playoffs series or maybe more, i think people will understand what Legwand means to the team. He faces day in day out the leagues top forwards, who else from the team could do that? Put Sully or Arnie in a shutdown line? You’re joking!!!

by Alexander Priss on Apr 7, 2010 4:47 AM EDT reply actions  

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