Nashville Predators trade Dan Hamhuis to Philadelphia for Ryan Parent
by Dirk Hoag on Jun 19, 2010 2:06 PM EDT
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PrintOnce again, the Nashville Predators are bringing a former player of theirs back into the fold, trading Dan Hamhuis to the Philadelphia Flyers for defenseman Ryan Parent, who was originally drafted by Nashville in 2005 (last summer, they brought in Francis Bouillon for a second stint as a Pred). With Hamhuis headed to free agency, and a contract that the Predators cannot afford, this deal mimics the 2007 trade that sent Kimmo Timonen and Scott Hartnell to the Flyers. Preds GM David Poile is at least getting some value back as "Hammer" leaves to make his fortune.
Parent is due to become a restricted free agent on July 1, having made $765,000 last season.
Follow after the jump for the team's press release and reaction...
From the Preds:
Nashville Predators President of Hockey Operations/General Manager David Poile announced today that the club has acquired defenseman Ryan Parent from the Philadelphia Flyers in exchange for defenseman Dan Hamhuis and a conditional pick in the 2011 Entry Draft.
Parent, 23 (3/17/87), was Nashville's first pick, 18th overall (first round), in the 2005 Entry Draft, and was sent to Philadelphia on Feb. 15, 2007 in the trade that brought Peter Forsberg to Nashville. He spent his first full season at the NHL level in 2009-10, posting three points (1g-2a) while averaging 14:46 of ice time in 48 games for the Flyers. The Prince Albert, Sask., native also appeared in 17 playoff games during Philadelphia's run to the 2010 Stanley Cup Finals, scoring one goal.
For his career, the 6-3, 198-pound blueliner has played 102 career games at the NHL level. Parent played his first professional contests for the Milwaukee Admirals - Nashville's primary developmental affiliate in the American Hockey League - during the team's run to the 2006 Calder Cup Finals. He is slated to become a restricted free agent on July 1.
According to Broad Street Hockey, if the Flyers can't sign Hamhuis to a new deal, Nashville will also throw in a 7th-round draft pick in 2011.
What Ryan Parent Brings to Nashville
By a stroke of good fortune, Broad Street Hockey just wrote up his season review today, so here's an excerpt:
What is there to say about Ryan Parent? It's all been said before. He had a really bad (not quite terrible) regular season, got injured, came back and continued his really bad season. This then turned into a terrible playoffs for Ryan Parent, eventually leading to him being benched and then scratched.
Let's move on, shall we?
From his profile page, let's check the scouting report:
Assets
Flaws
Career Potential
One big concern with Parent is his durability. Unlike Hamhuis, who was a steady presence in the lineup, Parent has battled groin troubles for over a year, playing just 48 games last season.
By the looks of it, I'd say Parent would be targeted for 3rd pair and penalty-killing duties. His overall results in 5-on-5 play look pretty awful, his PK work not so much. In the playoffs, he was sheltered by the coaching staff, playing less than 7.5 minutes per game.
In this situation, it's not about trying to obtain equal hockey value in trade for Hamhuis, but at least getting something back into the organization. Clearly, the Predators believe there's still potential for Parent, and his left-handed shot could prove a nice complement to guys like Kevin Klein and Cody Franson.
Steve Sullivan has already chimed in via Twitter: "Sad to see we have lost a great teammate. Hope it works out for Hammer, he deserves it! Welcome back to Nash Ryan Parent."
Hamhuis was the Predators union representative, and their nominee this year for the King Clancy Award for his community service and off-ice leadership.
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As a Preds fan first and Flyers fan second… this is pretty awful. Its hard to think that the absolute best we could get for the rights to Hamhuis was Ryan Parent. I know that Flyers fans are jumping with joy at the prospect of moving Parent even if they only get a 7th round draft pick out of the deal.
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I’d honestly rather re-sign Parent than get only a 7th rounder. This deal is only a steal if Hamhuis signs.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 19, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What. The. Hell.
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When someone is headed to unrestricted free agency, you should be thankful to get anything back.
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by Dirk Hoag on Jun 19, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Understood, totally. I’m more a little surprised that this was what Poile went for. Then again, maybe it was the only return available – and this return is better than no return at all.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 19, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re surprised GMDP got back a defenseman? He addresses the NSH organization’s one true position of need while getting maximum value for one of the most anticipated FAs going on the market.
Seriously though, Parent blows. Why would anyone want him after seeing him get so thoroughly abused in the playoffs? What does GMDP see in this guy? And does GMDP realize you guys have more trouble getting the puck in the net than keeping it out? Or that addressing your PP might have been a wiser option? This move makes it really hard for me to see NSH as a secondary rooting interest. I’m pretty pissed with GMDP right now, and generally I like the guy. The sweetheart PHI deals are making me sick.
I waited all year for this?
I realize he’s pretty awful, and he has injury issues, too. We don’t have a true shut down defenseman, and thats Parent’s role, so to speak. I’m reaching, here.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 19, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah you do
You have a true shutdown pair if you wanted to use them like that. After watching the Olympics you can’t tell me that Suter can’t hang with anyone in the league. Weber too. But if Trotz insists on a) keeping them together and b) not using them as a shutdown pair, then you have nobody to blame but yourselves for not having a true shut down defeseman.
I waited all year for this?
It doesn’t make sense, really, to use Weber or Suter like that. Weber can score 20 (and has), and Suter is the set-up man for that shot.
Dirk’s advocated, though (as you mention), and I’m beginning to agree, that 6/20 should be split up.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 19, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t watch enough to have a position on whether they should split up. I just vehemently disagree with the “we don’t have a shutdown D” argument. If Suter isn’t a shutdown D then what the hell was he channeling for the Olympics? Weber is the less heralded player in his own end and even he was a rock for Team Canada so I don’t see why either guy can’t be used for those tough minutes. I understand you want to get them out there to maximize their offensive potential, but if you can use them to outscore, or at least keep pace with, the other teams’ top lines and then use Franson/Blum/Ellis/Josi to play against the weaker opposition it would probably be a better use of your players. No matter how you slice it, Ryan Parent blows and just takes up a roster spot that could have been filled by one of your studs-in-waiting.
I waited all year for this?
It’ll be interesting to see how it shakes out this year, because Trotz tended to play Hamhuis and Klein against the toughest competitions, leaving Weber/Suter for lighter duty and scoring. Won’t be able to do that, this time. They’ve definitely got the capability for the shutdown role, and we’ll probably see it more often now.
Ryan Parent blows and just takes up a roster spot that could have been filled by one of your studs-in-waiting.
Agreed, completely.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 19, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know enough about the Predators system to know how many prospects you have, but Parent isn’t as bad as people think he is.
He’s definitely an injury risk, that’s obvious. When he’s healthy though, he is a serviceable #4. The problem is that he’s never healthy. But he’s only 23. If he can bounce back from back surgery (which is far from a guarantee), he’s a quality shut-down guy.
It’s probably not what Preds fans want to hear, but a year in the AHL would do wonders for this guy. He still has potential, he just needs to time.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 19, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
How is he a serviceable number 4 if he wasn’t even trusted as a number 6 only weeks ago? Was he hiding some sort of injury that was hampering his play, or are you calibrating your “serviceable number 4” to a team that you don’t think is going to compete for the Cup. I can’t shake the lasting impression of of Ryan Parent being a goal against waiting to happen against any sort of quality opponent.
I waited all year for this?
I said when he’s healthy. He had back surgery this year and while no one said it, you can’t imagine a 23 year old fresh off back surgery is 100%.
He was absolutely terrible in the playoffs, but before the surgery he was solid. Looking at the stats under Stevens (25 games), Parent played in 17 of them and was a minus-2. The same as Jeff Carter and Kimmo Timonen. Under Laviolette, he was a minus-14.
So, either he was injured or he didn’t fit in the new system. Maybe he’ll never be a #4 again, but there are plenty of reasons behind his bad year.
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by Geoff Detweiler on Jun 19, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So is Ryan Parent your Randy Jones? I can see the injury history, and I realize he’s still young with upside, but I just don’t think it’s anywhere near accurate or fair to characterize him as a serviceable number 4. You might think he has that potential, but he’s never really shown that. And judging by the (timely) Grading Ryan Parent post, I don’t think you’d find too many of your readers that would agree. At this point Ryan Parent is starting to remind me of Steve Eminger with injury problems. No thanks.
I waited all year for this?
wow, i have to agree here
My favorite Parent moment from the playoffs was Game 1 SCF: he was on the ice for 41 sec and made a huge error that led to a Hawks goal. I knew Flyers fans who were saying he still got too much ice time that game.
I know you had to lose Hamhuis, but I have to believe this wasn’t the best you could get. at a loss for words.
by puppetmasterp on Jun 19, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
We could’ve tried to get one of the Wachovia center’s turnstiles. They are nice turnstiles too.
/spent the whole 09-10 season riffing on Parent
//not stopping now
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…wasn’t Parent one of those Wachovia turnstiles? ;)
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by Chris Burton on Jun 19, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
3. You are correct Mr. Burton, Parent did act as a turnstile for several weeks before being placed on IR with Tennis Elbow.
2. Ryan Parent collected tickets at the Wachovia Center’s Broad Street entrance until he managed to let the cast of the Jersey Shore, a Bravo production crew, and Sean Avery into the Wachovia Center.
1.Ryan Parent showed up for practice one day and the staff mistakenly auctioned him off with the rest of the Spectrum. Fortunately he was recovered from the mantle of Kevin Anderson of Orefield, PA after only missing thirty-four games.
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Were you guys expecting to re-sign Hamhuis? I’m guessing no….
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He was a goner, in my eyes. I’m glad we got a return, just upset at what it is.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 19, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Hamhuis sucks
Parent sucks
Poile continues to be one of the least creative GMs around.
I don’t have much issue with this deal, though. Hamhuis was gone and we weren’t going to get anything great for his rights. At least Parent has some potential as a defensive defenseman…prepare yourself for the Klein-Parent PK pairing. Also, Hamhuis gets my vote for most overrated player in team history. Hamhuis is a first round pick, a canadian, and a second-line player behind two of the best defenseman in hockey. All circumstances that could suggest he’s pretty good, but ignore the reality of how he plays. I’ll miss the hipcheck, but he’s not worth keeping Ellis and Blum down for $4+M.
trade?
Has anyone considered that DP may trade Parent to get some forward/draft help?
Dirk, Chris, or whoever wants to answer, how much of a possibility is this?
Jason Arnott apparently just got traded to the Devils, folks. More as it comes.
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by Aditya T (smashville) on Jun 19, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully a change of team does him good...
and Parent isn’t just dead weight. Sometimes you just need to start over. I know what that’s like. But what are you going to do I guess, hope we get some surprises out of him.
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