Colin Wilson: A New Hope for the Nashville Predators
In the wake of sending key veterans Dan Hamhuis and Jason Arnott out of town in separate trades over the weekend, the Nashville Predators' management came out to speak with the local media about what these moves mean, and their plan for the team going forward.
To sum it up, it's best to simply go with what local blogger Ryan Porth (of Red Light Hockey) said on Twitter shortly after the Arnott trade was announced:
The Colin Wilson Era has begun in Nashville!
Follow after the jump for a look at what the team's front office has been saying today, and what that means for the 2010-11 edition of the Nashville Predators...
First, let's start with David Poile's session with the local media today looking ahead to this weekend's draft:
While most of the conversation is about the draft, there are a few points which relate to this fall's squad.
- He's likely to look for a backup goaltender via trade or free agency (although he apparently didn't mean to rule out Mark Dekanich). Given the glut of goalies hitting the market this summer, that could work out pretty well.
- He loves the young group of defensemen, naming everyone you can think of outside of Denis Grebeshkov.
- The forward group needs offensive help, and he looks to put Colin Wilson "in an opportunity to see if he can take over for Jason".
- The pro scouting staff is actively reviewing possibilities on the free agent market this summer to add a forward.
- Regarding the draft, I did find it interesting how much he talked about trying to get a 2nd-round pick back, including the possibility of trading the 2011 2nd-rounder obtained for Arnott, and/or moving down in the 1st round.
In a further discussion with John Glennon, Poile also said that Denis Grebeshkov is not going to be given a qualifying offer, and is undecided about Dustin Boyd. This means that the 2nd-round and (possibly) 4th-round picks dealt at the Trade Deadline will have gone for naught. Honestly, I'm a bit puzzled at this, as I would think a pending RFA would have more trade value on the market than an unrestricted free agent like Dan Hamhuis would.
This afternoon, assistant GM Paul Fenton also joined the Thom Abraham Show. You can use the link below to listen to the full segment:
Paul Fenton on Thom Abraham Show 20100621
Among the points relevant to this fall's squad were the following:
- Again on Colin Wilson. "It's a natural progression to have him take over the #1 [center] position."
- "Cal O'Reilly will be used in a more offensive role this year"
- When asked the straightforward question of if he believed the Hamhuis and Arnott trades would help get this team closer to the Stanley Cup, Fenton hesitated before answering "In the long run I do." He then further explained that if Wilson steps "into that role and he scores 65 points, and we put Cal O'Reilly in that role and he does the same, then our offense takes a step upward."
Certainly, if Wilson and O'Reilly score 65 points, than yes, I'd say it's a good bet that Nashville will have enjoyed a better offensive attack. Does anyone in their right mind think that's a reasonable expectation, however? It sounds eerily similar to the "David Legwand and Martin Erat need to have career years" talk from last summer, and we all saw how that worked out.
To have both Poile and Fenton emphasizing the expectation that Colin Wilson will step in the #1 center spot speaks volumes. Unfortunately to me, it sounds awfully premature. I think that "Willie" is destined for a very productive NHL career, but having him center the top line in 2010-11 runs completely counter to the oft-cited "Nashville Way" which emphasizes steady, unrushed development of young players.
While Wilson showed promise down the stretch playing on Arnott's wing, there were many nights where he was relatively invisible, displaying the trademark inconsistency of rookies. Besides, what better way to support Wilson's growth as a player than to have him center the second scoring line, with Arnott in front of him to show him the ropes (especially considering their similarity as players)? If his development does proceed as expected, than Arnott could be dealt during the season if he truly wished to move on.
Instead, Wilson is being pushed into the limelight, and in exchange we've got a 2nd-round pick in 2011, and a prospect who's best case scenario is to spend some time as a 3rd or 4th line grinder. Is Matt Halischuk that much of an upgrade over Dustin Boyd? I doubt it.
Nashville now boasts a depth chart at center of Wilson, followed by David Legwand, Marcel Goc, and Cal O'Reilly. Does anyone else see a problem here?
If David Poile puts the salary cleared by moving Arnott to good use by picking up an established NHL center, the team could very well be positioned to take a step forward this fall. If that trade is left to stand on its own, however, and relying on promotion from within is indeed the plan, then it's an unmitigated disaster for the 2010-11 Nashville Predators. Maybe, just maybe, things will work out in the long run, but in the short term, I just don't see it.
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this all seems very odd to me.
i can’t remember seeing Poile take the high risk/reward route before like this would be. I don’t see him putting Wilson in that kind of role starting in the fall.
It’s entirely possible that this is pure GM-speak, much like the “we might go with all the young kids on D” talk from last summer which ended up with the signing of Francis Bouillon.
Still, if they’re going to say these things publicly, I feel obligated to call them out on it.
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Arnott wanted to be traded in the summer only...
In his interview with Glennon this past weekend, Arnott stated that he had talked to his family and decided if he was going to be traded that they would prefer to do it now rather than during the season. Due to his NMC, Arnott held all the leverage there and once the season and the school year started, I believe Arnott would have rejected a trade during the season as to not disrupt his family and have to fit in with a new team on the fly.
Furthermore, Arnott gave Poile a “small” (both have used that phrase) list of teams to work with and we know that Poile contacted Glen Sather in New York asking for Ryan McDonaugh, but was denied. Based on those two teams, I’d likely say that Arnott’s list was pretty exclusive to those two cities in the East and maybe a couple of Western Conference teams. Poile does not trade star players in conference…so his hands were tied…
Lastly, when Arnott was originally signed…jubilation was tempered by the understanding that Arnott would likely be overpaid in his final 1-2 seasons since the contract took him through age 36. Had Poile not traded an overpaid Arnott now, he likely would have lost him for nothing next summer and the uproar would be even greater.
I believe Halischuk will crack the Nashville roster this season and also believe he has more refined offensive skills than Dustin Boyd while bringing much the same game to the rink on a nightly basis. As Poile said Saturday in the interview with Tom Callahan, he envisions a line of Nick Spaling – Blake Geoffrion – Matt Halischuk in the near future and simply thinking about that line I’m as excited as Poile due to their speed, grit, detail, and scoring ability. They will likely start as no more than a 3rd line, but each will play a large role in the Nashville Predators near future and I don’t think that that should be overlooked.
Poile traded an overpriced injury-prone vet to New Jersey for two assets under difficult circumstances. I applaud him for that and look forward to watching how the roster shapes up this summer. Colin Wilson and possibly Cal O’Reilly will be given larger responsibilities this season, but neither of them even collectively are being directly looked at to replace Arnott’s offensive contribution. The team will replace Arnott’s offense in a collective fashion by putting guys into positions to succeed. Ward will be asked to rebound, Dumont too, and Legwand will hopefully be giving a scoring line role and continue the production we saw from him in the playoffs next season.
The roster is not finished and there are still moves to be made. There are definitely a lot of questions to be answered still, but now is not the time to panic or turn on anyone. We aren’t multiple pieces away from a solid playoff team right now, but definitely need to address a couple of areas to provide more confidence to both the team and the fan base entering the season…
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I’m as optimistic about this team as anyone, but I don’t see anything you’ve cited above as realistically replacing Arnott’s production, and I find it especially hard to believe that Halischuk is a significant upgrade over the current crop of young wingers already in the system (Boyd, Santorelli, Thuresson, Geoffrion, etc.).
I can certainly appreciate the limited options that Poile probably had in trading Arnott, and if he uses that salary to go out and get some help, that’s OK. But if not, I think he would have been better off holding on to him and riding out the contract.
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Oh, yes, by all means, let us get someone to fill Arnott’s skates. Where can we find someone who can miss all those open nets, who can get beautiful passes and whiff on them, who can get back to the bench slower than my dead grandma and who can spend more time jawing at the refs in the d-zone than with his line in the offensive zone. I’ve said it before; he was good for awhile and did well for us, but lately he is either incapable or uninterested in playing up to his ability. If you are upset that he is no longer on our team, you did not pay attention to what he was up to this past season. We all wanted the Arnott from the Devils Cup year, but that Arnott is no more. The Preds will be fine without him and will return to the playoffs.
I would think that Polie Could get some picks for Gerbeskov and Boyd. Even if it was a 3rd for both.
by Mike St.Vincent on Jun 21, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
I’m way on board with you, Dirk. I like Wilson and think he projects for the top line in two or three years, but not in 10-11. If Poile really thinks he’s ready, and our centers are 33/11/9/16, I’ll be watching this next year with my eyes closed.
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Dirk…where are you getting that Poile won’t tender an offer to Boyd? Everything I read was he had not made a decision on Boyd, and wouldn’t until closer to the 27th.
I also like the idea of Philly being qualified. Realize he probably isn’t coming back, but still would like to see Toots/Smithson/Philly as our energy line.
As for Wilson as the #1 center, I am not a fan (for 10-11), but I am thrilled that ArNOTt is gone. Assuming Poile leaves things as they are I would like to see:
Erat/Goc/Horny
Sully/Wilson/O’Reilly
Ward/Legs/JP
Toots/Spaling/Smithson
You’re right, I should have qualified the note on Boyd, I’ll correct it later.
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by Dirk Hoag on Jun 21, 2010 11:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dirk you are one of the most optimistic people I read. I agree with you if they don’t replace Arnott with a significant scorer then we are looking at no playoffs and I’ll take that to the bank. Collectively Arnott’s 20 goals can’t be made up with the what is left. Did I hear him say that O’Reilly will be given a greater role. P-please. I’m sorry I don’t get the love for O’Reilly at all. But I don’t get the love affair for Legwand either. If Horny doesn’t score 30 we are in big trouble. I think Wilson will be a good player if not a great but to say Wilson will score 20 goals next year is pushing it. That’s not even putting in the fact that if anyone gets injured…..geez!
"To say Wilson socres 20 next year is pushing it..."
If I told you 365 days ago that Hornqvist (with a total of 2 NHL goals, at the time) would score 30 goals you would have justifiably laughed me off this blog. Wilson had 8 goals in 35 games last year. If keeps up at that pace he’ll have 18-19 goals in a full season and that’s not counting the growth we could see from him physically and from having a little NHL experience. Someone remind me…how many goals did Arnie have last year????
Poile signed Goc and Cube last year with little fanfare and we see how that turned out. The same could be said about Ward from the year before. Let’s all take a deep breath and realize that he and Fenton, et. al. know a little more hockey than us and see what the next move is. He’s got a little walking-around money in his pocket this year, where he didn’t have much last year.
A previous comment had something about Plekanac, which I would love to see. If we had $4.5 to pay Arnott before the trade, I’d assume we still have it pay a guy like Plekanac. Now, start crunching stats and see how close we are to being a very, very good hockey team.
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by Matthew White on Jun 22, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Its highly doubtful things remain as-is.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 21, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know if you overlooked him inadvertently or on purpose, Dirk, but one above-average free agent center to look at is Tomas Plekanec of Montreal. He’s a 70 point player and good penalty killer, and sounds like negotiations aren’t going well. I could probably live with that acquisition, bumping Wilson down a line for the time being.
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That list wasn’t meant to be exhaustive. Puck Daddy had a useful Top 10 UFA Centers post recently…
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by Dirk Hoag on Jun 21, 2010 11:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep, saw it – he’s second behind Marleau. His current deal is for 2.5, so assuming a bump to about 4, makes it ever-so-slightly feasible.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 21, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe alot of this is "GM speak"...
…and a trade or free-agency pick up is in the works and we’ll eventually get some value out of Grebby and/or Boyd some way some how.
I for one refuse to bust on O’Reilly…the kid has never been given a legitimate shot at producing on a true scoring line. The couple times in his NHL career that he was put on the top two he aquitted himself well IMO. Given enough time, with 2 playmaking, instead of grinding wingers, and I think we’ll have a 55-60 point guy on our hands.
Do I necessarily like the idea of Wilson as the top guy this season? Meh… But put the right wingers with him and it could turn out to be magic. The kid is an incredible talent, and he might be the one youngster we have that has the ability and confidence to just come up swimming hard if they throw him out in the deep end.
No way can I see Plekanec working in Nashville…Montreal fans bust on him all the time about being a prima-dona, taking nights off and being generally lazy. You guys know as well as I do that that crap doesn’t fly on Trotzy’s ice. Considering the Preds have a blue-collar, high character, hard-working dressing room, I wouldn’t get my heart set on Poile going too hard after him.
Finally rosey c… JP isn’t going anywhere. He has said many times he fully intends to retire in Nashville when his playing days are over ….and BTW did I miss something? Who the hell is Horton?
by TitanPredBearFan on Jun 22, 2010 8:48 AM EDT reply actions
Montreal fans bust on everyone. I wouldn’t let that deter you, and I’d take it with a grain of salt.
Nathan Horton is a scoring winger rumored to be available from the Florida Panthers. Don’t want, for what its worth, and don’t need (need being relative to the need for a 1C), either.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Instead of Horton....
What about Florida’s Weiss ?
by TitanPredBearFan on Jun 22, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
A much more interesting suggestion. Weiss, in my mind, is a perfect 2nd line center (and so is Arnott), so it would essentially be square peg/round hole again, albeit less so. The question there becomes, can you live with 60 points from your top center until such a time that Wilson is ready to carry the scoring load? I probably can, provided Wilson isn’t three years away from the role.
I don’t know, exactly, what it would take to get him, but Erat/Weiss/Hornqvist is a suitable, if not overly threatening, top line. We basically have funds for one acquisition, so Poile needs to get it right.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, Horton is gone
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by red army line on Jun 22, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I personally would like to see Wilson and Hornqvist together….Hornqvist and Wilson is just an intriguing pairing IMO. Wilson is so good at making plays from behind the net and we all know what Horny does in front of it.
by TitanPredBearFan on Jun 22, 2010 9:42 AM EDT reply actions
As far as Jp not going anywhere did we know that Arnott was going anywhere? It was never stated publicly. If Trotz continually puts him on third line you don’t pay 4ml for a player to be on a 3rd line. O’Reilly I’m sure would score 60 goals if they just place the puck to side of the net and let the goalie hug the opposite post. You know Wilson earned his way to a scoring line why should we annoit O’Reilly when he’s had opportunity to do the same. Goc earned his way You score consistantly you will be on a top line it’s not like we are gluttoned with scorers
In Arnott's interview...
he even said Sully and JP wouldn’t be going anywhere…they wanted to stay in Nashville and I know JP has a no trade clause.
How can you judge O’Reilly’s playmaking ability with any kind of authority when he has never been put in a goal scorer’s role on this team?? In Milwaukee he was a top 6 guy and proved his ability…hence his one-way contract and numerous call-ups. Wilson was put with playmakers right away…O"Reilly was put with the muckers and grinders. Is Wilson a much better talent than O’Reilly? Anyone with any hockey knowledge could answer that one. But if O’Reilly is going to have any chance to succeed then they are going to have to put him in a role his particular talents are suited to…much like what happened with Peverley. Alanta put Peverley with playmakers and he looked like a top 6 guy. Do we really want that to happen again just because we are trying to get guys to play against the grain?
by TitanPredBearFan on Jun 22, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Very quickly, I can assure you that Wilson is a much better talent than O’Reilly.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 22, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions

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