Thoughts on Hamhuis
Hey guys,
I'm a writer over at Pensburgh, and we've been talking quite a bit lately about Dan Hamhuis. I checked up on his stats and got a decent impression, but I'm writing this fan post because I'd love to hear everyone's own opinion and input on what Hamhuis is all about. Strengths, weaknesses, quirks, everything. Also, if there's a particular stat or video, feel free to mention that too. Thanks!
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He's better than the impression a lot of Preds fans will give you
I’ll just give you my rundown in the SBN scouting report style:
Strengths: Excellent checking technique…good defensive player…decent speed, can move the puck…has consistently played on PK and against the opponent’s first lines from a young age…durable…disciplined
Weakness: Prone to the occasional awful turnover…not very vocal on the ice and works best with a better, more vocal partner…laughable shot accuracy from the point, will often miss the net by 15 feet
A solid player, but I’d echo the sentiment of many on this site: not worth the money.
Thanks a lot for the comments Sam.
I’m hoping we don’t sign him for more than $4 million. Do you think he’s worth that much?
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short answer...no
long answer…depends on your financial situation. I honestly don’t know much about the Penguins other than they’re very talented. But my guess is that y’all are talented to the point of it being acceptable to overpay on the margins to gain what slim upgrades you can over the current roster.
We’re a bit weak at defenseman, and an experienced guy who’s 27 like Hamhuis could bring some added value to the team outside of his numbers. But, it has to be a good price…
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You’ll get this: 
Very good defender, physical checker when he needs to be. Is capable of handling the puck well, but once every 40 times he touches the puck it will go straight from his stick to an opponents in your own zone then straight into the goal. The other 39 times he’ll make very solid plays though. Nothing amazing, but he’s responsible. Good PKer and can chew up minutes if needed. He’ll never stand out unless its a turnover or a big hip check, and you’ll love him or hate him depending on which came last. Otherwise he’s invisible – in a good way. Don’t look for offensive upside or creativity. Just good responsible hockey (except for that 1-in-40 turnover).
Having said that, don’t regret losing him for the money he’s commanding. Too easy to find other solid defensive players with little offensive upside. I’d rank him only slightly ahead of Francis Boullion for the Preds and he’s commanding 3x-4x the money. Makes no sense to me. Then again I think Preds fans are spoiled to having a top d pair of Suter and Weber. Has a tendency to throw your perspective on what a good D man is.
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eh...
Kinda. Can he hold the blueline very well and move the puck around: yes. Very capably. He’s also defensively responsible enough to allow your other D-man to be super aggressive. He’s got a horrible slap shot (very inaccurate and not to hard) and as such can’t do much from the point on his own. But he can eat up decent PP minutes on a secondary pairing. He is definitely not going to be a Green, Grebeshkov, Weber, or even Suter on the PP. He’s not creative. At all. Just very solid and responsible.
FYI: I’d say you’re over paying at anything more than $3.5mil. In my completely non-expert opinion I would think something in the $3mil neighborhood would be fair. Having said that, a team’s needs and lack of comparable talent mean that supply/demand will drive his price up to more than he’s worth. Good news is that as long as you don’t expect 70 points out of him, he won’t disappoint you. He’ll give you the same thing every night, stay injury free, and just occasionally frustrate the crap out of you with a boneheaded turnover late in a close game.
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$3.5 sounds like a reasonable price, though I’d go up to $3.75 just because the market is so thin this year.
And thanks a lot for the scouting report; it’s a lot more informative than some of the “professional” ones I’ve seen.
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Don’t have time to write anything new, so here’s what I sent Geoff at BSH. Just transpose Penguins for Flyers where necessary ;).
In Dan Hamhuis, the Philadelphia Flyers have acquired a player who does just about everything well, but nothing great (well, except for that hip check…). ‘Hammer’ is the perfect example of team player. He’ll adapt to whatever situation he’s placed in – whether it be the power play, penalty kill, or minute cruncher.
Perhaps the best way to describe his playing style is that of a combination between Predators Ryan Suter and Shea Weber. Hamhuis is lighter and less physical than Weber, but a better skater and passer. On the other hand, he’s a better hitter than Suter. Obviously, he’s not in the same category as the Predators’ defensive Olympians, and this comes back to being good at everything, but excelling at little.
His greatest strengths lie in the ability to break a stifling forecheck with his puck movement, or shut down an opposing team’s top player as he did many times with Nashville (Barry Trotz typically played Dan in the toughest spots, leaving Suter and Weber to carry the offensive load). Hamhuis’ weaknesses are in the incredibly frustrating mental lapse, such as a horrible defensive zone turnover or failure to communicate with his defensive partner, which was a common occurrence with Kevin Klein in 2009-10.
At his best, Dan Hamhuis is a top pairing defenseman with the ability to play 23:00 or more a night and in special teams situations. At worst, he’s a solid 2nd pair player prone to mental lapses. What you usually get is somewhere in between. Either way, the trade looks on the surface to be a Philadelphia win. Dan Hamhuis was/is the most coveted defenseman on the market in 2010, and with good reason.
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uh
Perhaps the best way to describe his playing style is that of a combination between Predators Ryan Suter and Shea Weber.
C’mon…
C’mon what? I mean style of play, not talent or quality of play. Weber and Suter are generational, all world talents. Hamhuis is not.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 28, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
but if he’s not really like EITHER, why even evoke their names? But I get what he’s saying and mostly agree.
Because a lot of people are familiar with Weber and Suter via the Olympics; whereas Hammer was an unknown quantity. As I explained, he combines the two’s playing styles a bit so I went with that to describe him to fans that don’t know him as well.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 28, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
The only way to mention Hamhuis in the same sentence with Weber and Suter is to say “Hamhuis will never be as good as Weber and Suter.”
Better hitter than Suter? As far as hitting goes, Hammer is a one-trick pony. Hip Check.
You might be right that he is good at everything – good at frustrating mental lapses, good at not moving anyone from in front of the net, good at letting people do what they want on the boards and in the corners.
Comparing him to Weber and Suter?
Epic Fail.
I think that you’re missing my point a little bit. I would have to be delusional to think Hamhuis is in the same stratosphere as 6/20 talent wise. Once more, with feeling:
Perhaps the best way to describe his playing style is that of a combination between Predators Ryan Suter and Shea Weber</blockquote
Obviously, he’s not in the same category as the Predators’ defensive Olympians, and this comes back to being good at everything, but excelling at little.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 28, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
uh
Blockquote fail…but you get the point :P.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 28, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard David Poile once say that you try to resign the guys you don't want to play against...
And I wouldn’t want to play against Hamhuis.
Hammer is ...
prone to panic stick. Which is about the same as happy feet in football. When he gets the puck on his stick and someone is coming toward him, he can’t make a decision and loses the space to make a pass or a move and then it is too late – turnover in own zone. He has a great hip check, which he rarely uses. Like what was said before in thread – don’t bet on his blue line shot. He generally doesn’t let people get behind him on d, but he can’t move people on the boards or away from the front of the net. He does not get angry, which can be plus or minus ( I take it as a minus ). His best asset is that he gets in the way, and usually keeps the star player from having an unimpeded route to the goal. Plays his best when there is no forecheck bearing down on him. I think he is worth $1.75 -$2.4 million a year, and I am glad we traded him. He will never be first line d. He could be the weak one on 2nd line d.
I think he is worth $1.75 -$2.4 million a year
I’ve rarely seen him play on a regular basis, but this sounds pretty low to me. He’s put up some really good numbers using advanced metrics, and a 27 year old defenseman with above average talent who will be entering his prime is worth more than $2.4 million in the NHL.
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Some Pred fans...
…tend to be skewed in their thinking of Hamhuis. They only remember some of the epic bonehead moves he makes (which are actually rare, but really BAAAAAAAD when they happen). They tend to forget that Trotz has always put him and whomever his partner is against the opposing team’s top line and he plays big time minutes on the PK. The pairing this year with Kevin Klein really turned Pred fans against him. Hammer has to be paired with a vocal and responsible D-man.
When he and Greg Zanon were together they were arguably one of the best shut down pairs in the league because Zanon, who you could hear “communicating” in the top row of the arena, always made sure Hammer knew where Zanon was and where the play should go when Hamhuis was being pestered on the forecheck. He needs to be paired with someone like Zanon, then Pen fans will see what the rest of the hockey world sees in Hammer.
Also, don’t let some of the fans above fool you, Hamhuis’ s hip-check is world class and is always on one of the “Top Hit” lists every year. The first time he does it, your fans will fall in love with him…never failed to bring the house down in Nashville. Finally, Hamhuis is a first-class guy on and off the ice and was the player rep for the Preds for many years. You’ll be hard pressed to find a higher character guy for your organization. He was always first in line to do PR and charity work for the club and the NHL…matter of fact he just got back from and NHL mission to Haiti. I, for one, will miss the guy and all he brings to the table and will always root for him no matter where he goes except when he plays against the Preds.
by TitanPredBearFan on Jun 29, 2010 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks a lot for the Hamhuis take TPBF.
Judging from some of the quality of competition stats, Hamhuis was facing better competition than Shea Weber, which says a lot about what he can do on the ice, and also what the coaches think of him. And he also put up a solid adjusted +/-, so I think he’s better than some fans give him credit for.
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I’ve said that all along – while he’s not a superstar, he’s certainly more capable than a lot of fans would think.
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by Chris Burton on Jun 29, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm…typical Schultz complex…
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by red army line on Jun 30, 2010 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
If you’ve ever read On Frozen Blog…
It’s died down more recently but pretty much every Caps fan I’d say who doesn’t read JR regularly thinks Schultz is a slow bumbling giant who sucks because he never “plays physically” and isn’t too great a skater and regularly makes giant mistakes (Game 1 vs Rangers, Dubinsky, for example) and thus he should be in the ECHL.
Total BS (except for the skating), but that’s what they say.
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by red army line on Jun 30, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he’s not as good as his stats make him out to be this year, but he’s got to be better than what you’ve described are the opinion of some “fans.”
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And now you understand why Caps fans are automatically labeled as dumb bandwagoners in some circles.
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by red army line on Jul 1, 2010 5:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this is true for a lot of the better teams. Every team that’s gotten much better the last 3-4 years will always have “bandwagon” fans if you ask the people who have followed the Leafs since 1954.
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Just for the record
I think Hammer was a decent player. Not top two d-man. He is good at getting in the way. He will probably be able to retire from hockey on his own terms. He needs a good leader. Klein was not that leader, but over the last season, I saw Klein improve to be better than Hammer, in my opinion. Hammer was an outstanding member of society. His contributions to the community were really second to none. The children at Vanderbilt Children’s Hospital loved him and he showed them unconditional love. Nashville will miss him. Thank you, Dan Hamuis, for giving us what you did.
Also would like to give a shout-out to Jason Arnott, and especially his wife, who worked with charities in the area, often quietly, to help those less fortunate.


























