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Nashville Predators claim Brian McGrattan, place Zack Stortini on waivers

After just two games, Zack Stortini has reportedly been put on waivers.

TSN's Bob McKenzie brings your waiver wire news this morning:

NSH claims Brian McGrattan on waivers from ANA. NSH puts Zach Stortini on waivers.    


Zack Stortini

#21 / Right Wing / Nashville Predators

6-4

215

Sep 11, 1985


Stortini has been working hard to carve himself a role as an "energy" type of player within the Predators lineup, and if he clears waivers, can be assigned to Milwaukee of the AHL. 

After the jump, let's take a look at the new guy in town, Brian McGrattan...

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Brian McGrattan

#45 / Right Wing 

6-4

235

Sep 02, 1981

Salary: $600,000


Brian McGratten definitely suits the "enforcer" role, and his last NHL action came with 34 games for Calgary in the 2009-2010 season, spending all of last year in the AHL. In 182 career NHL games, he has 3 goals, 11 assists, and 395 penalty minutes. Here's his scouting report for you:

Assets
  • Is among the top pugilists in the NHL. Understands his role and is always willing to stick up for his teammates, since he's a team-first player.
Flaws
  • Takes bad penalties and can lose his cool under pressure. Doesn't have enough skills to play regular minutes up front. Also lacks discipline.
Career Potential
  • Part-time enforcer.

I'll be blunt - I'm not a fan of keeping a roster spot open for a pure fighter; at least Stortini could hustle and work the forecheck to some extent. I've just never seen anything that leads me to believe that McGrattan can help an NHL team win hockey games. Here's a less-than-glowing review from SB Nation's Calgary blog, Matchsticks & Gasoline, following that 2009-2010 season:

Last, and least, the "Dancing Bear" Brian McGrattan. The difference between the Flames' performance without him in the lineup as opposed to with is significant and speaks to the uselessness of not only him as a player but his entire role on the team and to a lesser extent, in the league. He contributed almost nothing during the 34 games he dressed for this season and the Flames were a full twenty-two points better without him in the lineup and could have had six more points and possibly a playoff berth had he not played at all. His only saving grace is that he played all but one game during the nine-game losing streak and was injured and subsequently scratched promptly following it, because he likely would have been even more detrimental to the team had he continued playing. Thankfully he's a UFA this summer, but I'm sure there's an equally ineffectual goon waiting in the wings somewhere.     

The Preds' press release follows:

Nashville Predators President of Hockey Operations/General Manager David Poile announced today that the club claimed forward Brian McGrattan on waivers from the Anaheim Ducks. McGrattan is on a two-way contract worth $600,000 at the NHL level and $105,000 at the AHL level.

 

McGrattan, 30 (9/2/81), has suited up for 182 NHL contests with Ottawa, Phoenix and Calgary since the 2005-06 campaign, posting 14 points (3g-11a) and 395 penalty minutes. The 6-4, 235-pound native of Hamilton, Ont., split the 2010-11 season between Providence and Syracuse of the American Hockey League, notching 15 points (10g-5a) and 153 penalty minutes in 59 games.

 

McGrattan was selected 104th overall (fourth round) by the Los Angeles Kings in the 1999 NHL Entry Draft.

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wtf?

60% of the time it works every time

by Creeping Death on Oct 11, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

This McGrattan fellow must be a heck of a nice guy to keep getting an NHL job.

by AronV on Oct 11, 2011 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Why?

So, we ditch a guy who can fight as well as skate and maybe score a goal or two… and we replace him with a guy that fight and can keep vertical on his skates for short stretches of time. Hell, if the Flames don’t want him than why would anyone else. On top of that we’re taking on more salary in this pick up, sure not a ton of salary though.

I can’t wait to see the explanation for this move. I’m sure it will be both lucid and ingenious.

by 3DLink on Oct 11, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I can’t wait to see the explanation either…this makes absolutely no sense to me.

by Frattaway on Oct 11, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hoping no one snags him – stay within the organization. He’s just a nice guy, plain and simple. I can’t see how having him in the locker room wouldn’t do anything but help the Ads.

by Patten on Oct 11, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they did it solely to piss the ducks off, he was supposed to be Syracuse’s enforcer this year.

by kvd123 on Oct 12, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we need a Shanahan video to explain this one…

60% of the time it works every time

by Creeping Death on Oct 11, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Poile confuses the hell out of me sometimes.

by ablairnash on Oct 11, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't understand why this is so surprising....

As soon as Stortini got knocked on his a$$ with one punch on Saturday, I turned to my wife and said, “he’ll be looking for a new job next week.”

You don’t have an enforcer to lose fights and occasionally “skate” with some energy. You have an enforcer to win fights. Otherwise, Hordichuk would still be on this team.

This is not mysterious, at all.

by turd-ferguson on Oct 11, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Who cares?

Who seriously cares who ‘loses’ or ‘wins’ fights. 99 times out of 100 they both end up on the ground and bloody. This is just dumb.

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by pwnicholson on Oct 11, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

The mystery is why a player like McGrattan is being brought in, not (to me) that Stortini is headed to the AHL.

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by Dirk Hoag on Oct 11, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If that picture is any indication, he has some really interesting hair.

by Melissa Vanderpool Wallace on Oct 11, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it possible that it was Stortini and not SK74 who hit AJ in the face with the puck?

by Patten on Oct 11, 2011 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

very. when is the last time you saw SK74 shoot a puck?

60% of the time it works every time

by Creeping Death on Oct 11, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

He could have been passing to AJ.

by Patten on Oct 11, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

good call

60% of the time it works every time

by Creeping Death on Oct 11, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Erat was unfortunately in the press box at the time. #alibi

by Patten on Oct 11, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

not if he can spin so fast he bend the space time continuum

60% of the time it works every time

by Creeping Death on Oct 11, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Marty has a flux capacitor in his hockey pants.

by Patten on Oct 11, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing out of the ordinary

It’s just Poile picking through the “Enforcers as low as …” bargain bin since he’s not happy with the one he has.

Should have just kept SOB around as a part time enforcer.

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by Chas-E on Oct 11, 2011 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Boughner, Walker, Tootoo, SOB. that’s my kind of “enforcer” in the modern game.

by Marcus Newman on Oct 11, 2011 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

AMEN

SOB could play defense at least as well as the current #3 D line.

by Melissa Vanderpool Wallace on Oct 11, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better, actually, especially since he finally seemed to “get it” in the playoffs that we needed him on the ice.

Obie’s also totally awesome.

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by CAustin on Oct 11, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally don’t understand why we didn’t re-sign him. He’s playing for less in Colorado and he’s WAY better than Hillen.

by Melissa Vanderpool Wallace on Oct 11, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure he’s that much better than Hillen – their styles are just worlds apart.

Lemme quote the late, great Colonel Sanders. He said "I'm too drunk to taste this chicken."

by Chris Burton on Oct 11, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s been on five teams since 2006, his rookie year. Look, he’s a funny guy and brings a little something we don’t have right now (bad penalties?). But there must be a reason he’s still living out of suitcase.

by el pucko on Oct 11, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's got a rep--well deserved from what i understand as a party-er

which has absolutely contributed to his life as a suitcase, but it seemed like he really calmed down here last year.
I just don’t see any style in Hillen at all. All I see him doing is holding Bouillon’s spot for him. At least SOB kinda knew the system.

by Melissa Vanderpool Wallace on Oct 11, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obie is a better player than his reputation indicates. He kills penalties, works the boards, and there were a whole lot of times when he was the only one helping Pekka out. And Melissa is right, he showed a lot of growth while he was here. We’ve seen guys get “redeemed” this past year (SK and Tootoo, anyone?) and get their second chance to clean up their attitude. Obie is one of those guys. If he could keep up what he learned in the postseason, his inopportune penalties should go down.

and can you honestly say that Hillen hasn’t been taking bad penalties? In his case it’s cause he’s getting beat not because he’s losing his cool. Cool can be developed; speed not so much at this point.

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by CAustin on Oct 11, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa … just saying there might be a reason he’s played for five teams in six years. Not saying Hillen’s better. Just saying we’re ok without him, and lots of other teams have come to the same conclusion.

by el pucko on Oct 11, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

And I’m not saying he’s without issues or the answer to anyone’s prayers. Just that if the man was going to sign a 1 year deal for $1 million, it might as well have been with the Preds. We didn’t let him go b/c he’s a liability. We let him go so that we could work one or more of the kids into the lineup. So far, Obie’s skill set has yet to be replaced by any combination of them.

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by CAustin on Oct 11, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

So far = two games. Let’s play this out for awhile.

by el pucko on Oct 11, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hillen has been on the ice for a total of 24 minutes in 2 games. He averaged 19 mins per game with the Islanders on the second pairing most of the year. He will be fine. Give him some time. Two games is too small a sample size. He beat out 3 other guys in camp to get his spot. He is not a fluke.

His D partner Laakso has less time, only 21 minutes in 2 games. Laakso has a grand total of 10 NHL games under his belt and looks lost out there right now. This is where the problem lies on that 3rd pairing.

by GoPreds00 on Oct 11, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Takes way too many stupid penalties.

by kvd123 on Oct 12, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think we need

either on the roster. I was really hoping we had moved beyond carrying players with the skill-set of Stortini and McGrattan.

Look for a lot of healthy scratches for sure.

by Marcus Newman on Oct 11, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree with this

However you don’t want someone that has potential to sit and not play too often

by IG-PRED8 on Oct 11, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s got to be bound for Milwaukee, too, right? I mean why in the world do you waste a roster spot on someone who’s only going to play at most 3 or 4 minutes? We don’t need an “enforcer.” We need guys who can play. At least Zack could play a little.

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by CAustin on Oct 11, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

I may be wrong as I am not well versed in the rules of waivers, but I don’t think the Preds can claim him and then immedialely send him down.

by Melissa Vanderpool Wallace on Oct 11, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope...

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope...

This is like getting Pekka Rinne for Justin Pogge in enforcer terms…

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not just waive Stortini when Fisher’s healthy and forget McGrattan altogether? Hmm.

Lemme quote the late, great Colonel Sanders. He said "I'm too drunk to taste this chicken."

by Chris Burton on Oct 11, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

AND OH MY GOD HE’S A DAMN DIRTY DUCK, TOO!

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
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by CAustin on Oct 11, 2011 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

There’s definitely a taint attached. Oooooo that smell, can’t you smell that smell…?

Official WTF moment #1 of the 2011-12 regular season.

by TitanPredBearFan on Oct 11, 2011 1:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why’d you have to use the word taint followed by “Ooooo that smell”?

by RemoWilliams84 on Oct 11, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with you on this.

Hands go uuppp..... AND THEY STAY THERE!
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by davisca on Oct 11, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh whew, he never actually played for them. The slime ought to be easy to wash off.

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by CAustin on Oct 11, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Addition by subtraction?

Devil’s advocate…I don’t really know what to make of it, but I’ll throw this thought out there….

Stortini was a more servicable player than Belak was. And because of that, he could play every night. Meanwhile, Bergfors, the big free agent signing, is watching from the stands.

This move may make it so that Bergfors can jump into the lineup on a more regular basis, and the tough guy can just be a tough guy as needed.

I don’t know.

But in Milwaukee, we hope he makes it up here. We’ll be delighted to have him. I envisiion a line of him, Latta, and Flynn.

by Ryan B. Miller on Oct 11, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

So you’re saying we needed a worse played to make room for Bergfors?

by Lil cutie on Oct 11, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

So Bergfors can play 4th line minutes?
 
Such a waste of talent…

by HardCorePredFan316 on Oct 11, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, it's a bit loony

But there aren’t very many logical explanations floating around out there.

I’m interested to know what Bergfors did to deserve being in the dog house.

by Ryan B. Miller on Oct 11, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan...

There’s a reason Bergfors is in the doghouse.

Defense ring a bell?

He washed out in New Jersey because he doesn’t play it.

Atlanta because he doesn’t play it.

Florida because he doesn’t play it, and they spent a TON during the offseason.

There’s a reason the Preds got him so cheap.

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can Trotz (or Lambert, BP, etc) teach him to play defense and want to play defense (because you have to if you want to stay in the NHL)?

by DonBorvio on Oct 11, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be up to Bergfors...

Usually small guys like Nick float for a reason.

They want to score and not put in the effort of a two way game.

Just my opinion.

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

  But……but……Poile said Bergfors was the steal of this off-season, the guy all those other GM’s were just to dumb to sign themselves, yes, the answer to our offensive woes! :D

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Oct 11, 2011 8:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The next...

SK74 right? ;-)

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

  100% lock! :D

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Oct 11, 2011 8:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

My hope was on Smith, Bergfors is just kind of a meh. Also, waiting for the deadline move and/or re-signing of at least 2 of the big 3.

by DonBorvio on Oct 11, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smith is asking...

Blake why he didn’t just stop in Milwaukee for gas.

I was realllllllllly hoping I’d get to see Craig for a couple of games here.

Hope he just keeps filling the net down there!

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

A long as Shea has slapshots that goalies can’t quite corral in…Smith will be there to sweep them underneath the goalie! :D

by DonBorvio on Oct 11, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Note to Shea...

Do not kill Craig.

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Haha, great part about that he’s not a Hornqvist-type. He mostly skates around the net or in the slot, but not quite in the way, staying mostly in position then jumps at the puck when he smells the opportunity. It’s really a great hockey instinct.

by DonBorvio on Oct 11, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

But even if you are standing behind the net, you can get taken out by Mr. Weber.

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by cisar on Oct 11, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh God, yeah, that’s important. Don’t do that.

Hands go uuppp..... AND THEY STAY THERE!
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by davisca on Oct 11, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

My question is...

Tonight at the Meet The Team Party, will he be sitting at a table or going through the lines?

by OddManRush on Oct 11, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

So we send Stortini down and scratch Mcgrattan…..until we play Chicago, where we roll 3 lines with a 4th of Stortini and Mcgrattan…..just in case their new goons feel we can be pushed around.

Other than that, I see no reason for the move.

by Predator Don on Oct 11, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Why...

Would the Preds callup Stortini to play with Brian when they could roll Smithson and Tootoo on the 4th line?

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hope he clears waivers...

i just added Storts as a facebook friend last week…

by JBoogie22 on Oct 11, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Ditto, and he manages the page on his own and replies to comments here and there. Pretty cool.

by Frattaway on Oct 11, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too

He “liked” my welcoming comment. I wonder if anyone else actually has an account and comments.

by kypredsfan on Oct 12, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thumbs in the middle

Both guys are wastes of time, money and spots.

by lethargic on Oct 11, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm reserving my judgement until we see him play...

But I don’t see this working out well. Please, Poile, give us a bit of explanation….

by Preds of State on Oct 11, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Side Note:

WTF is going on w/ the NHL? Rich Peverly just got 3.25m per season 3 year contract w/ the Bruins. Why do I feel like this is the NBA on ice?

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by Shawn Kehoe on Oct 11, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm OK with it.

If you’re gonna have an enforcer, go big. I remember him beating the crap outta Belak multiple times, which was no small task. Legit #1 badass.

Sides, he’s on a 2-way contract…..means nothing financially.

DON"T YOU PEOPLE WANNA WATCH PUGILISM???

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 11, 2011 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Why waste a roster spot on a guy that will play less than 5 minutes a game? Besides, I doubt Trotz opts to suit him up more than 20 times this season.

Lifelong Tennessean, Flyers' fan for life

by TNBrando on Oct 11, 2011 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Trotz obviously likes the presence of an enforcer.

So……….

McGratton > Stortini.

That’s what I’m saying.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 11, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re looking simply for a guy that can beat up another guy, yeah, McGrattan’s the better choice. But what’s the point of signing the biggest, baddest, meanest guy on the ice if everybody’s afraid to drop the gloves with him? The era of the goon has ended. Even fighters have to be able to play today.

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by TNBrando on Oct 11, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Scott...

is way bigger than BMG.

The idea here is not so much fighting. It’s deterrent.

Think of it this way. If you had a navy with a destroyer and then I had a battleship named the U.S.S. Wisconsin with 16 inch guns that could hit a one yard target at 10 miles, would you engage?

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as cheapshot artists like Matt Cooke hit-and-run, the goon’s job is pointless. Cooke’s not going to fight BMG – ever. If anything, Cooke will concuss CSmith and then goad Weber into taking a 5 minute major to defend his teammate.That’s what thugs like Cooke do.

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by TNBrando on Oct 11, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Cookes, Prongers, Averys (hah!) of the league are the reason that a McGrattan is still needed. He’s protection, like a mafia bodyguard.

by DonBorvio on Oct 11, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger’s different – he can play. About as well as anybody in the league. Even former Flyer/current Blackhawk Dan Carcillo has enough talent to earn a regular shift now and then. Cooke and Avery? Simply clowns.

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by TNBrando on Oct 11, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pronger...

Will get away with everthing he can until confronted and then will fold up like a cheap suit.

Reference 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs…

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

And he’s about as talented at his age as your beloved, yet terribly greedy, Weber at nearly half the cap hit.

Lifelong Tennessean, Flyers' fan for life

by TNBrando on Oct 11, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Explain please...

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s been to the Finals three times and his name’s on the Cup; Weber’s (wait for it) won himself a lone playoff series. If you have to have the reason Pronger’s just as good as Weber explained to you, you need to be spending a lot more time paying attention to Crispy’s Hockey 101.

Lifelong Tennessean, Flyers' fan for life

by TNBrando on Oct 11, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...

Calling Weber my beloved is a huge mistake by you. And thinking that I compare Pronger to Weber is even bigger.

I think you need to spend some time in remedial reading before making a comment like that.

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is my point...

Weber, who as we all know, is more valuable on the ice overall, will not have to engage with a Cooke.

McGrattan can then take a shot at say a top 4 blueliner or offensive player.

The idea is Cooke will not do this if he knows Malkin won’t end up in the 3rd row.

Detante comrade. This is how hockey used to be played before all the stupid rule changes.

10 years ago, do you remember headshots being such a problem?

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, the mere presence of a goon will magically make concussions a thing of the past. Right. Nashville would’ve been better off trading for Fisher’s BFF/BMG’s sworn nemesis Chris Neil.

Lifelong Tennessean, Flyers' fan for life

by TNBrando on Oct 11, 2011 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can it hurt?

Can the mere presence of someone that will do something about the cheap hit on Suter that cost him games, the hit that cost Lombardi a season and the subsequent loss of Franson to unload that contract, (Lombardi is now playing btw and scored a goal in his first game with the Leafs), O’Reilly getting his leg broke, Cubes having to take on someone out of his class and losing his season, Erat getting his head lifted, etc…etc…etc…

I say YES.

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You keep thinking that and roll your 3 2/3 lines for the entire game then.

Lifelong Tennessean, Flyers' fan for life

by TNBrando on Oct 11, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

And roll

the 3 and no 2/3 you want?

Pay for their hospital bills if you want.

Milwaukee will keep sending you bodies when they go on IR.

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was Ron Hextall made a good point on NHL Home Ice the other day.

If you took shoulder pads out of the game, people would respect the hit more. You hit wrong, you hurt your shoulder or arm. I kind of like that idea. Keep head protection, but leave off some of the body protection to keep some of that fear in the of the hitter.

by DonBorvio on Oct 11, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

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by TNBrando on Oct 11, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally true...

Soft pads…take the body armour out of the game.

All in favour of this.

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

And what of the protection from running into the boards and stopping a puck in the zone?

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by cisar on Oct 11, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

  They ran into boards and stopped pucks long before the current body armour came into being.

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Oct 12, 2011 2:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly nothing. Average age of ‘retirement’ from the 30s -70’s was lower than it is 80s-00s. Maybe because of better equipment. Maybe because they were using equipment. Maybe because better people were replacing them. Tough to say.
click here!
You can look at a variety of metrics. Click on the positions and decades. Do the math.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
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by cisar on Oct 12, 2011 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can click through numbers all day long, that won’t get you closer to knowing whether equipment, sports medicine, greater awareness of nutrition, etc., have to do with the trend towards longer careers.

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by Dirk Hoag on Oct 12, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I say it is the bionic implants…

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Oct 13, 2011 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, then we need to check the warranty on our $6 Million Man, ‘cause he’s broken.

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by Dirk Hoag on Oct 13, 2011 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like it.

If we were going to have an enforcer, I’d rather have one that I A: already like and B: has a decent ability as a 4th liner.

We'll miss you Belak...

Go Predators!

by Poiju on Oct 11, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Whodat?

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 11, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

your mom

60% of the time it works every time

by Creeping Death on Oct 11, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you mom just said that was rude and when she leaves in a few hours, you are in trouble

60% of the time it works every time

by Creeping Death on Oct 11, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Epic reply thread of the 2011-12 season…check

by Frattaway on Oct 11, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha. I miss working with SWFP. He is a hilarious guy!

60% of the time it works every time

by Creeping Death on Oct 11, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not crazy about either of them...

But I’m ok with this move. Stortini couldn’t really handle anyone that couldn’t be handled by Tootoo, whereas McGrattan is a beast of a man that they can send to fight anyone without feeling bad.

If the Preds foresee a game where some roughing up is to occur, McGrattan is the choice over Stortini any day, in my opinion.

Still, I’m not 100% convinced either of them was or is necessary.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts--for support rather than
illumination."

by Smashvillain on Oct 11, 2011 6:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Once again, fixing what ain't broke and ignoring what does need fixing.

  Two areas of the team of least worry to anyone coming out of last season were our D and who our goon might be for 11/12. Guess which two areas we’ve spent the most energy on so far? You can guess the answer to that rhetorical question. On the only area we needed to address, we picked up one guy in the bargain bin who can’t win a spot in the lineup.

  Go figure.

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Oct 11, 2011 7:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

C’mon Grizzled…we’re finally spending some of that Lombardi/Franson money on an top-6 forward enforcer! Wooo Hooo!

Seriously though, Chicago got a lot tougher this season. I’ve been afraid they would send 2, 3, 4 goons after our guys. At least McGrattan will deter one or more of them.

by Griz-ATL on Oct 11, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

What in the Yellow Hell is everyone talking about?

McGrattan is better than Stortini offensively by a decent margin and is better at keeping his linemates upright by being at the very LEAST, a deterrent from keeping the Preds from leading the NHL again as the team who has had the most decapitated players.

Does Trotz always play the enforcer? No. But ever since I can remember, Poile and Trotz have always had one on the team. Why people are not happy about paying a guy 1/10th of what Suter is gonna make next year to patrol the ice, and put his blood and sweat on the line is beyond me.

Everyone wants Tootoo to be the forward he can be without having to play the very physical game that he did before, now he can do it.

Everyone wants Weber to be the captain without spending 5 in the box for standing up for his mates and not get Moen’ed, now he can do it!

Cubes can come back knowing he doesn’t have to worry about being concussed in a fight…again.

Hell, maybe even Erat can skate easier knowing he may not get his head lifted off his shoulders everytime he goes near the net.

600k is not gonna break this team in the least. You guys wanna bitch, bitch about signing some serious offensive or defensive depth when they had the chance.

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I also know Poile was trying to make a play for the big European that used to play on Columbus, Tollefsen. Now there’s someone that I like in a tough guy. McGrattan might be pretty similar.

by DonBorvio on Oct 11, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

OKT?

The Norwegian that played on the blueline for CBJ. Detroit signed him and he ended up washing through their affiliate in Grand Rapids in the AHL.

He was always willing but was pretty loose and took way to many penalties.

He is not what the Preds need. A Blueliner in the box…

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I don't get is.........

  Everyone knew Stortini was a punching bag. A willing punching bag, but a punching bag none the less. Why not just get McGratton to begin with? Makes no sense.

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Oct 11, 2011 8:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wasn't he under contract with Anaheim?

He may not have been, but I think he was.

That and Poile didn’t spend a penny until Shea was signed.

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

...and if you get a sweater...

its McGrattan with an ‘a’

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we just needed another guy with an Irish last name! ;)

by DonBorvio on Oct 11, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like the McTootoo sweaters?

Lol…I loves me those. Reminded me of a McDonalds sammie… :-)

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

  With Parros around, you have to think McGratton was available if anyone came calling.

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Oct 11, 2011 8:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

  Nake that McGrattan. ;)

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Oct 11, 2011 8:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

 Make, not Nake. I need a nap. :/

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Oct 11, 2011 8:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am so excited for you guys...

an enforcer on the front line instead of dressing a 7th d man for it.

It’s like Christmas…

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Oct 11, 2011 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry Brian,

An enforcer is one of the worst forms of insurance going. A guy who can stand up for teammates when necessary is one thing, but we have those, just like every other team does. Injuries still happen. Dirty hits still happen. Guys still push the line. If enforcers prevented any of those things, we wouldn’t need Shanahan. I don’t see the deterrent effect you claim actually existing. In addition, there is zero proof that an enforcer allows other players to be more offensively productive.

Until you can prove to me that there is some sort of correlation between the presence of a guy who does nothing but fight—whether dressed or not, whether on the ice or not, whether taken up on his challenges or not—and a decrease in the incidence of penalties, suspensions, dirty hits, etc., I am coming down on the side of using the roster space on a productive player.

I’m not against a spontaneous drubbing of someone who is taking liberties, but I just don’t think the enforcer is necessary to do that job. Shea and Klein and O’Brien and Tootoo took just fine care the pests in Anaheim with no enforcer on the roster. Give me versatility and depth instead.

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Even bears must face this fact: we're nothing without Rinne.--Grizzledbear, 10/9/2011
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Oct 11, 2011 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

On the Preds Snapshot on FS-TN tonight

I just saw them replay a clip of Klein beating Perry in the head again :-) That one always makes me happy.

by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Oct 11, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was, in fact, the picture going thru my head as I wrote that last part. :)

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Even bears must face this fact: we're nothing without Rinne.--Grizzledbear, 10/9/2011
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Oct 12, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

My theory....

is that trotzy is already making a play to have mcgrattan sit beside him at the NHL awards this year, show them to snub us on that Jack Adams awards. lol

by Christopher Seth Rhine on Oct 12, 2011 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

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