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Predators vs Canucks advanced stats demonstrate the "Score Effect"

VANCOUVER, CANADA - OCTOBER 20: Craig Smith #15 of the Nashville Predators tries to gain control of the puck while being checked by Aaron Volpatti #54 of the Vancouver Canucks during the third period in NHL action on October 20, 2011 at Rogers Arena in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.  (Photo by Rich Lam/Getty Images)

Last night's 5-1 loss at Vancouver was certainly frustrating in a different sense than Monday's at Edmonton, with reckless penalties getting in the way of any attempt at a comeback, including two by captain Shea Weber which put the Preds into a 5-on-3 situation. 

As far as the advanced even-strength stats go for this game, they provide a perfect example of how important it is to appreciate context before simply throwing numbers around. What hockey stats analysts call the "Score Effect" is the notion that while out-shooting your opponent is a fundamental step towards victory, the overall shot totals can be skewed by how the game is playing out on the scoreboard. Quite simply, once teams get a lead, they tend to scale back offensively, while the trailing team works harder to get the puck on net. You can find two seminal posts on the subject at Brodeur Is A Fraud and mc79hockey.

Sometimes, this effect plays out quite clearly, as documented by Josh Cooper in a couple of tweets from Barry Trotz's post-game comments:

Trotz: "I want to thank Alain Vigneault for not playing his top two lines the last 10 minutes."

I looked at the ice-time. Vigneault did not play his top two lines the last 10 mins. Was not a shot by Trotz at all. 

So with that in mind, let's take a look at last night's results...

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As far as matching the "how I saw the game" impression, what's notable to me is that I thought during the game that Tootoo was doing a decent job trying to create something offensively, and Kostitsyn looked good. Legwand was completely invisible, and the Klein/Blum pairing had a rough night (but then, given the number of odd-man rushes coming their way all game, just about any D pairing would).

Overall, however, these numbers you see below are much more positive than what one might expect if we didn't take the Score Effect into consideration. In terms of Shots On Goal, the Preds outshot Vancouver over the final two periods 14-10 in 5-on-5 play, but it would be hard to argue that they were the better team. The Canucks simply eased off the gas.

I know last night's game recap was especially brief, so I'll add a few extra scattered thoughts here:

  • Mattias Ekholm could develop into a very effective defenseman, but he needs time in Milwaukee. I hope he can be convinced to accept such an assignment, as it's really the best thing for his long-term development.
  • There was a lot of discussion about bad bounces in the 1st period, but in particular, I thought Daniel Sedin's opening goal was a savvy play on his part. He saw from behind the net that Pekka was down on his knees, not hugging the post, and banked the puck off him into the net.
  • I wonder if Shea Weber's 3rd period Boarding call will result in a call from Brendan Shanahan.
  • As noted in some of the conversation on Twitter, the later stages of this game (and really, Saturday's at Calgary) will prove to be an audition for who wants to stay in Nashville once guys like Francis Bouillon, Mike Fisher, and Martin Erat return to the lineup. Will we see any of the kids step up and separate themselves from the pack? That will be the key to watch tomorrow vs. the Flames.
 Even Strength Individual Totals Team Totals While Player Is On Ice
 Player Pos EV TOI Shots Shts Blkd Missed Shts Blocks SOG For SOG Ag SOG +/- Tot SF Tot SA Corsi
 Nick Spaling C 12:15 1 0 0 1 8 7 +1 15 14 +1
 Colin Wilson C 12:13 0 0 0 0 4 6 -2 10 12 -2
 Patric Hornqvist R 11:15 3 1 0 0 7 4 +3 11 11 0
 Sergei Kostitsyn L 11:02 1 1 1 1 7 3 +4 13 7 +6
 David Legwand C 10:05 0 0 0 0 3 7 -4 8 14 -6
 Craig Smith C 9:53 0 0 0 0 6 7 -1 12 8 +4
 Brian McGrattan R 9:33 0 1 0 0 3 4 -1 13 5 +8
 Matt Halischuk R 8:56 3 1 1 0 3 4 -1 7 7 0
 Jerred Smithson R 8:21 1 1 1 0 6 6 0 14 6 +8
 Blake Geoffrion C 8:19 0 0 1 0 3 9 -6 11 10 +1
 Jordin Tootoo R 8:13 4 2 2 0 8 6 +2 19 8 +11
 Niclas Bergfors R 7:52 2 0 0 0 5 3 +2 8 4 +4
 Ryan Suter D 14:09 2 1 0 0 7 6 +1 15 10 +5
 Jonathon Blum D 13:50 0 0 1 2 7 11 -4 14 18 -4
 Kevin Klein D 13:40 0 1 0 1 6 10 -4 14 15 -1
 Shea Weber D 13:38 1 0 2 0 8 7 +1 16 13 +3
 Teemu Laakso D 12:22 2 4 1 0 7 7 0 16 12 +4
 Mattias Ekholm D 12:10 1 2 1 1 7 6 +1 19 9 +10

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Lack of discpline leads to enemies shooting at you.

16 shots allowed while short handed for over 13 minutes. Those two basic stats are very telling.

by 101st on Oct 21, 2011 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

The Trotz way

What happened to “the Trotz way”? We looked horrible on defense and couldn’t stay out of the penalty box. Klein was back to his usual self by giving the puck away. Our team is young, but we need to get our heads out of our rears and start playing some smart hockey! The guys were so frustrated. Everytime they went to the box they were shaking their heads. MAN UP! If you did it, male it right! For God’s sake Jordin Tootoo let Hamhuis punch him in the mouth and skated away. And then we take dumb penaltes! Vancouver whipped our tails last night! Embarrassing! Lets get it together guys! Stop taking penalties! I will be glad when Cube, Fish, and Marty get back! Any type of change would be good change at this point!

"I had all my own teeth and I wanted to keep it that way." - Tom Glavine
All hockey players are bilingual. They know English and profanity.
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by SinBinPred on Oct 21, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

vent

Now that I blew off my steam……
After I heard that the Preds had their “team only” closed door meeting, I thought that things may get better last night. I kind of figured that we may start slow due to the new and younger guys on the team. I almost expect the same coming down the stretch this season. We will turn it around. Its just going to take a little bit of time. We are playing with arguably our two best forwards out. Lets get tis traing a rolling boys! GO PREDS!

"I had all my own teeth and I wanted to keep it that way." - Tom Glavine
All hockey players are bilingual. They know English and profanity.
Gordie Howe

by SinBinPred on Oct 21, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Using advanced stats and corsi when they help

This is a perfect example of why people bash advanced metrics and corsi. These stats (which I believe in) are too often used to back up some assertions and tossed for others.

For example, Ekholm was a +10 last night. Yet, Trotz says he was horrible. But, Ekholm had the second highest corsi rating on the team?!? Maybe relative corsi would show how horrible Ekholm was last night, but I don’t think so.

I thought Ekholm played ok (especially after sitting a couple of games and having to play with Laakso, who was not good). I believe Trotz criticized Ekholm (who he knows is going back to Mil or Europe) to take some pressure off Weber, who has been worse this year than he was at the beginning of last year (without Suter). Trotz can’t throw the captain under the bus. He could have picked any of a number of Preds to toss under for last night’s work, but chose Ekholm (who will probably be a pretty good pro). I hope it doesn’t ruin the kid’s confidence.

by Granpa puck on Oct 21, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s a really interesting situation with Ekholm, particular since it’s not like he received extra ice time in the 3rd, when the Canucks eased up (Klein & Blum did, though). I’m sure he gave Trotz some heart flutters with the way he moves around out there, however.

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by Dirk Hoag on Oct 21, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

If

the Predators have to have Fisher, Boullion, and Erat in the lineup to be able to compete in the West, then it’s going to be a long year.

by ahall07 on Oct 21, 2011 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Im just saying

We need a change! And having 3 of your better players come back couldn’t hurt!

"I had all my own teeth and I wanted to keep it that way." - Tom Glavine
All hockey players are bilingual. They know English and profanity.
Gordie Howe

by SinBinPred on Oct 21, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

  +1

  Fish, Erat and Cube will all help being back, but it’s not exactly a trio of all-stars there either.

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Oct 21, 2011 7:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

MATH

I dont require any mathematical matrix to see the writing on this wall……

by jeffery101y on Oct 21, 2011 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

  Me thinks their coach will B looking 4 new work in the near future.

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Oct 21, 2011 11:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

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