Nashville Predators trade Cal O'Reilly to Phoenix for fourth-round draft pick
by Marc Torrence on Oct 28, 2011 6:35 PM EDT
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Today's news comes straight from the Preds' insider on twitter:
#Preds pick up Phoenix's 2012 fourth rounder for Cal O'Reilly
The move speaks less to the talent of Cal and more to the development of Nashville's young forwards. O'Reilly was a solid contributor for the first part of last season before going down to injury.
In the time he spent on IR names like Blake Geoffrion and mid-season acquisition Mike Fisher made names for themselves at center. Add in the early-season success of Craig Smith and it's not surprising to see Cal dealt to a team that needs some help at center.
In addition, O'Reilly had been a healthy scratch for the last few games, and with Hornqvist and Fisher healthy again, and Martin Erat close behind, the future did not bode well for Cal.
Could this be a set up for a bigger deal? Do you like the move? Share your thoughts in the comments below.
Full team release after the jump:
Nashville, Tenn. (October 28, 2011) - Nashville Predators President of Hockey Operations/General Manager David Poile announced today that the club has acquired a fourth-round pick in the 2012 Entry Draft in exchange for forward Cal O'Reilly. The trade is pending O'Reilly passing a physical.
The Predators now have nine draft picks for the 2012 NHL Entry Draft to be held June 22-23, 2012 at Consol Energy Center in Pittsburgh, Pa. - their own picks in the first, second and fourth through seventh rounds in addition Toronto's third-round pick and the New York Rangers' sixth-round selection, and now, Phoenix's fourth-round selection.
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Why couldn’t we maybe get Turris at least? He is trying to get out of there. Perfect opportunity for change of scenery for him and we actually get a guy who could be decent.
A. because we needed an open roster spot for Erat
B. because Phx refuses to trade him
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
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C: Poile isn’t interested in adding a scorer. ;p
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 7:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, with Turris’ amazing ability to have never broken 25 points in a season!
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 7:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Where the heck would we have put him?
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by Creeping Death on Oct 28, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Smith, Smithson, Fisher, Legwand, and Wilson = our natural centers. Necessary move. Sheds a little salary compared to the inevitable injury call-up.
Cal was always a nice guy. After meet the team, he signed a hockey stick I had for him even after they cut off the line. Good luck, Cal!
Hard to judge this trade. While yes we did need to make A move with Marty coming off IR tomorrow and then the development of the young guys. Was Cal the piece that really needed to go? yes and no We have plenty of centers (seems like every line has guys that were centers playing on it) but personally I liked cal as a player. But I will have to wait to see what happens with the draft before I can say it was a good or bad move. We seem to have done really well in the 4th round of the draft but who knows.
Meh. He didn’t appear to be fitting in very well this season. Someone had to be moved and we couldn’t take back a player, so we got what we could for a guy who would have inevitably been claimed if he’d been waived to go to Milwaukee.
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Yeah, the essential talents of McGratton and Bergfors surely leave no room for an addition to the roster (rolls eyes). :p
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 7:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Like I said, meh. It’s not like Cal was doing any more than Bergfors, and Trotzy isn’t about to give up his new toy.
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Oh, Trotz would give up Bergfors, it’s Poile who wouldn’t do it. A lot of build up for Poile’s latest big scorer this summer, you know.
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 7:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I was referring to his new Rock ’Em Sock ’Em Robot, Brian McGrattan.
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Yeah, Bergfors was doing pretty well last night. He was busy on the backchecking and looked to be playing well.
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20 goal lock for the season. ;)
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 8:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I believe mueller has shown he can step in if needed as a call up. Would hate to lose him thru waivers for nothing.
Can't wait to watch him score 20 in Phoenix!
Like Jones, Santorelli and Peverley…our other scrub forwards that never fit in…
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 28, 2011 6:59 PM EDT reply actions
my thoughts exactly… oh and don’t forget lombardi who is healthy and playing well in toronto… how the F did Poile get nominated for GM of the year? such BS… i liked Cal a lot… he had talent, something we don’t exactly have a ton of here…. and for a fourth rounder? and don’t hold your breath anyone for more moves to come out of this… just more general awesomeness by the powers that be
Where was Craig Smith selected?
Yeah…that’s what I thought.
by HardCorePredFan316 on Oct 29, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
One in a million chance dude.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 29, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
20 goals is what I meant.
Cmon, get up to speed here Don……….
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 29, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
We got something for him.
If we cut him, he would have been picked up on waivers by another team – i.e. no compensation.
A fourth round pick is better than nothing.
Good luck Cal.
When do these minor deals ever lead to bigger one's?
The answer, of course, is never. It’s just ’ol Dirk trying to get our hopes up again. ;D
This is a good opportunity for Cal in Phoenix, hope he does well there.
With this move and Ekholm heading back home, this puts our cap hit under 50M now. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside. :)
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 7:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
'ol Dirk is trapped at work all day!
Marc’s the man on this one. I’m glad they got something for Cal, he would’ve had to go on waivers anyway. It’s funny, because this morning I thought about posting a “how will the Preds make room for Erat” post, and just didn’t have time.
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But you've poisoned Marc's mind with this kind of stuff. :D
Just kidding. :)
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 8:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You have a J-O-B?
I thought you do this for a living?
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 29, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If only...
Until I put the virtual tollbooth up here at charge 10 cents per visit, that ain’t gonna happen!
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That's not a bad idea....
….it’d keep trolls like flyalder and Sam Page away.
:)
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 30, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So, we turned a redundant player that hasn’t had a good game since this time last season into a draft pick. Problem? So what if succeeds somewhere else? He wasn’t going to get the opportunity here. We have to accept that we’re stuck with Mayor McCheese and the nearly low-risk crap shot that Poile took with Bergfors, those are sunk costs at this point. Smith and Wilson are developing while we’ve got enough centers to field a centers-only softball team. They’ve also shown far more upside than O’Reilly has, especially in the Predators’ system.
Cal is better off and the Preds don’t have two roster spots devoted to scratched forwards.
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Bingo
Poile either had to try to send O’Reilly down to Milwaukee and watch him get claimed off waivers, getting nothing, or make a trade and get something. We can get another forward that can play 4th line minutes with a 4th round pick, and we can luck out and get someone even better. Our 4th round pick from 3 years ago turned out pretty good.
I do believe we’ve had many 4th round picks not do much for us as well. Losing Cal isn’t an earth shattering loss, but it does continue a troubling trend of giving up what were billed as budding offensive players for little to no return (Santorelli, Peverley, Jones, Cal, etc.).
Might be best to just not play up kids who haven’t done anything yet in the big leagues.
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 10:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
troubling trend of giving up what were billed as budding offensive players
This is exactly what I thought. I feel like we do this a lot… I dunno, I mean I know something HAD to be done, but I also feel like Cal still has a lot of potential. When he’s playing well, he’s really good… oh well. Good luck to him.
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potential
Doesn’t mean a whole lot right now. We have lots of guys with potential. He had his chance. Other guys have stepped up.
unlike the namesake store we associate with his name for hilarity value, he spends most of his time broken down and in need of some spare parts
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by Creeping Death on Oct 29, 2011 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s totally fair, yeah. It’s walking that nice line between how long do you wait for him to improve, stop getting hurt, and play consistently – cause he can be really good when he’s playing well, versus just giving him up to get something in return. I’m just a little bittersweet about it. I really liked Cal, but hopefully this’ll be a good move for us both.
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LOL
I thought you were talking about Erat.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 29, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Furthermore.....
…..it does away with this supposition that we don’t have skilled forwards. Guys like Jones, Peverley, Santorelli, etc are all skilled…..when they leave here. Not while they’r’e here, but when they go to a team that has some kind of offensive……capacity.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 29, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
HAD TO BE DONE
anything beats losing him to waivers. im sure he has a hat trick waiting in the wings for our next trip to the desert.
Did it have to be Cal that got waived? We had other options if waiving someone were the desired route.
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 7:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LIKE WHO?
I THINK ONLY HUSTLECHUK, BOOMER AND SMITH CAN GO TO THE AD’S. NEITHER IS A GOOD IDEA. THAT LEAVES PRETTY MUCH JUST MCGRATTON. I SAID BEFORE THE SEASON O’REILLY WAS TOAST.
by predswilrule on Oct 28, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Bergfors.
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 8:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
quick to jump the gun are we??
SK74 was in the same position this time last year and see how it turned out? Are we giving up on Bergfors just 9 games into the young season??
I’m just pointing out that there were other options if waivers were the route we were to go in. IMO, not much of a talent difference between Cal and Bergs. Also a difference with SK74 being out of the lineup early last season with a foot injury and Bergfors being a healthy scratch.
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 10:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He wasn't out of the lineup.
He played 7 mins a game on the 4th line. That’s why you didn’t notice him.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 29, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Bear Force
I’m not giving up on him yet – Barry has created works of art from (seemingly) scraps of junk (i.e., Tits!). I’m interested tro see how he progresses over the season. In Barry’s interview after the game yesterday (I think that’s the right one), he said that he’s still getting to know Bear-Force, and vice versa, so that gives me hope that their relationship, and, subsequently, BF’s role on the team, will continue to progress and improve.
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perhaps we can speed up the process by sending them away for the weekend together.
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by Creeping Death on Oct 29, 2011 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
indeed!
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by Creeping Death on Oct 29, 2011 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Bear-Force?
How did I get caught up in this, LOL!
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 29, 2011 11:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The point was getting something in return instead of just trying to send someone down and then they get waived. At this point I think we have 9 picks next draft…
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Exactly. In the PR Department, Poile got roasted for letting Rich Peverley get claimed for nothing. Here he gets an asset back for Cal. It’s been said that “Cal needs to be on a scoring line” to be effective, but if we sent down any of Hustlechuk/Geoffrion/McCheese go down, that’s not the kind of line he’d be on. And Smith isn’t going anywhere either.
With Smith and Fisher in place, he wasn’t going to be cracking the Top 6 positionally. So I give the trade a pass for now.
Phoenix are a bunch of suckers!!! Hahaha! I can’t believe they gave up a pick for him!
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Yeah, I’m sure GM Maloney is losing sleep over that 4th round pick he gave up.
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 7:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I do wish we would put at least one purely offensive line out there so we could give guys like Peverley, Santorelli and O’Reilly a real shot at producing points before we give them away for next to nothing.
Never hurts to try, does it? :)
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 8:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As opposed to playing Legwand 20 mins a game for his 12 goals?
I think they might be MORE productive than you think.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 29, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
So if we trade HornQ for a 6th rounder it will be a good move? ;p
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 8:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes - Smart Move
The “do well somewhere else” comments about players has always applied to every team and a whole lot of players. There are many more who are traded who fail miserably but they get forgotten quickly. Anyway, the trade is a big part of the strategy of how the game plays out and how the system works.
We’ve had our share of benefits from similar situations and I think we’ll be just fine without Cal O’Reilly. Maybe Cal does well elsewhere and maybe not. So what? We need the roster spot and we don’t need a fragile and injury-prone Cal. Just hope he passes the Phx physical.
We now have 9 picks in ’12 draft.
I’m salivating at all those Dmen and goalies we’ll take with those picks. ;D
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 8:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
LMAO
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 29, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
nothing to do with Cal… but did anybody see the Subban and Marchand fight? I am not sure who won…. but I am sure that the air lost. Subban hit it with some mighty big punches
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That lil Marchand went toe to toe (when Subban wasn’t falling down punching air) with a guy as big as Subban is a victory in itself (and embarrassing for Subban).
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 8:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You never know what kind of performance you’ll get out of the Canes.
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 10:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you quoting yourself? :D
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 28, 2011 10:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good move.
He no longer had a spot on this roster. He wasn’t all that good anyways.
Question for Dirk:
Why is Roman Josi still shown on our IR list, like he’s with the Preds and not the Ads?
Because he was with the Preds in training camp when he got hurt, and you can’t assign a guy to the minors while he’s injured (the same thing happened with Lundmark last year). Once he comes off IR he’ll be officially assigned to Milwaukee.
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Looking at capgeek and our current roster, if not for us carrying a 23 man roster, which hasn’t been our custom in the past, we would be dangerously close to being under the cap floor. Or, put another way, the Dumont buyout is keeping us over the cap floor.
Highest payroll ever, eh?
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 29, 2011 12:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Still waiting for the other shoe to drop (big move). If it doesn’t happen by trade deadline time (or at least, that money is not spent on the Big 3), then I’ll be right there with you at the Tire Barn threatening to set it on fire. :D
I’ve got all the burning equipment set to go, you just have to show up! :D
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 29, 2011 11:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lundmark....
….that whole Lundmark quarrel last year was a lotta fun :)
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 29, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
While i am always sad :( when we trade a player
I am not at all surprised. Cal seemed to be a superfluous component. Getting something in return is good. While you may not be all that excited about a 4th rounder, all those draft picks can be packaged along with another cog to get a good player, without having to give up a truly valuable component of this team (Weber, Sk74, Suter, etc…)
by jerseypredsfan on Oct 28, 2011 11:59 PM EDT reply actions
The math just works out on this one. Great move.
by Marcus Newman on Oct 29, 2011 12:03 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Great move? Wouldn’t great be reserved for something like, oh, I dunno, Bergfors for Parise? ;D
It’s a, as CAustin so eloquently put it, a “meh” type of move.
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 29, 2011 12:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
OK, maybe great is a little strong since the inevitable ZP acquisition wasn’t part of it. :) You still get an asset and move the best candidate to be cut loose, IMHO.
by Marcus Newman on Oct 29, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I liked O'reilly
His vision and puck movement were great for someone so young in their NHL career, and i believe he will be an assist machine in time. But with sk74 to fill that particular role here, and Smith being all around better at the center position, he just got squeezed out. The timing on this is unfortunate, had he been healthier and more effective, or given time to get there, he probably could have brought in a better return.
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OT: honey badger
I didn’t believe this was a real creature, but now I’ve researched it. Those things are almost invincible.
that never gets old!
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by Creeping Death on Oct 29, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions
My favorite part:
Now, here’s a house full of bees. You think the Honey Badger cares? He don’t give a sh*t.
Hands go uuppp..... AND THEY STAY THERE!
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he’s eating larva. Ewww
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by Creeping Death on Oct 29, 2011 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Honey badger just takes what he wants.
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he just lays there and wakes back up and keeps eating cobra
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by Creeping Death on Oct 29, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That is hilarious!
Somebody needs to get with 303 and start a chant: HONEY BADGER!
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OH MY GOD THAT WAS SMITH?!? I saw that, but never knew who it was! That’s hilarious!!
Well, it fits… Honey Badger takes what he wants!
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When he chose to forgo college to come here people on HB were making fun of the Predators because of that clip. It fits perfectly with the Honey Badger theme.
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HONEY BADGER
it doesn’t give a sh*t. hahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahaha
That was hilarious!
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 29, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, this is bittersweet.
Necessary move to make room on the roster et al., but also sad because he has a lot of potential. Good luck to him in Phoenix!
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I'm really sorry some of yall didn't see this coming
but I sure as hell did…
With Smith moving to center, and clearly playing better than O’Reilly, can we look for DP to bundle him and some prospects for a legitimate scoring threat any time soon? Booth would have been a clear upgrade to all wingers on our team.
by Shawn Kehoe on Oct 23, 2011 5:23 PM CDT reply
Halfway there on my prediction. Poile isn’t as stupid as a lot of yall make him out to be. Give him a chance and we’ll see him turn a bunch of mediocre talent into that diamond in the rough. Don’t be surprised if Hornqvist is moved along with some prospects or draft picks to upgrade that wing spot. He’s been underachieving.
Hornqvist has been underachieving?
I mean he has tailed off since that 30 goal year, but he was the last pick of his draft year, still scored 21 last year, and has been battling injuries.
You could very well be right about him being dealt, tho. He definitely has value and if DP wants to make a move like that he’ll have to give up some value thats for sure.
Geez, if I quoted all the times I said Cal didn’t have a place in our lineup and would be a likely player to get moved, I’d have a quote-a-thon here! :D
Guess we all have to toot our own horn from time to time. ;)
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by Grizzledbear on Oct 29, 2011 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You said he was gonna fetch us a legit scoring threat.
That’s not exactly clairvoyancy my friend.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Oct 29, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe
Hornqvist would be the next I’d guess, if there is a next to go.
I don’t follow the Preds as closely as I do the Flyers, but O’Reilly never seemed to earn a spot in the lineup, despite having decent potential. He was an extra part to the team, not an important one. Getting a 4th pick in a good draft sounds like a decent return to me. It’s not like you don’t have enough prospects that can do his job, if necessary.
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As long as we are trading our talented offensive players who aren’t being given a real shot (stuck on 4th line with very little playing time) for very little in return, shouldn’t we have also thrown in Bergfors for a box of McNuggets?
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