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In an effort to keep my contributions more regular, I'm going to start some weekly columns. This week will be my test period for different ideas. This first one should be pretty self-explanatory. If you like a particular column idea, let me know in the comments or on twitter. If you don't like a column, please forward those complaints to my alternate twitter.

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1. The Wilson/Smith/Hornqvist line should stay, even when Legwand comes back: In an offensively challenged line-up, Colin Wilson and Patric Hornqvist have each spent the better part of a year as a man without a country, so to speak. Without a bevy of sniper-type teammates to benefit from his big-bodied playmaking, the only permanent home Willy found last year was in Barry Trotz's doghouse. Hornqvist, who looked like an elite shooter in the making, potted just 21 goals, without enough rebounds to stuff home. And to worsen matters, they hardly helped each other out. Wilson didn't shoot enough to make Hornqvist useful, and Horny didn't have the speed to chase Wilson around. 

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Now, in Craig Smith, they've found a center that solves all these problems and makes the Predators' three most promising offensive players look like one cohesive unit. Smith's speed and finish ability makes him a perfect mate for Wilson. Meanwhile, he takes such a high volume of shots, Hornqvist is always busy. They've communicated well so far and have looked good cycling and in the transition game. Hopefully, they can bring out the first-line potential in each other.  

2. Trotz will need to chose between Fisher and Legwand...or not: If Craig Smith can force Trotz's hand and keep his top-line spot, one of David Legwand or Mike Fisher will have to accept the offensively inglorious spot between Jordin Tootoo and Jerred Smithson on the third line. David Legwand would likely be the one to do it, as Trotz has used him on that line before--Leggy played with Joel Ward and Smithson for most of 2009-10, when he scored just 11 goals. 

Still, that's not to say Trotz likes Fisher more than Legwand. Last year down the stretch, the Ward/Legwand/Erat line consistently drew opponent's top lines at home, while the Kostitsyn/Fisher/Hornqvist unit got the tougher matchups on the road. Trotz carried this preference for Legwand in the tougher minutes into the playoffs.

Part of that was because Trotz wanted to use Fisher in a more offensive role, but part of it was also Leggy simply outplaying Fish. In his second game with the team, Fisher functionally auditioned for Legwand's job, playing against Joe Thornton's line in a home game against the Sharks. It was a defensive disaster as the Preds surrendered 50 shots. Perhaps not so coincidentally, Fisher never matched up against an opponent's top line in any of the season's remaining home games. 

The easier minutes helped his performance. In 18 games on the second line, Fisher scored 11 points and was +7. In 9 road games, he scored a point and was -5. Legwand performed about equally well in either defensive capacity--actually scoring 8 points in his toughest 8 games by defensive workload. 

Those lines worked last season, however, because Ward/Legwand/Erat managed to lead the way offensively and soak up the toughest minutes. That allowed the Smithson, Fisher, and Geoffrion lines to focus on scoring. Exposing Wilson/Smith/Hornqvist to top opponents' lines seems risky. Maybe in an attempt to recapture last season's synergy, Fisher or Legwand could move to Wardo's old wing spot. Then Trotz could use Fisher/Legwand/Erat as an all-purpose line to protect the young guns. That kind of leaves Kostitsyn out to dry, but I'm just spitballing here.  

3. The Predators can't afford to have an incoherent fourth line: In a perfect world, Jerred Smithson, Nick Spaling, and friend would be the Predators' permanent fourth line. They could take defensive zone faceoffs and then just try to best other fourth-liners. Instead, Smithson and Spaling are along for the ride that is Jordin Tootoo. The actual Predators fourth line is currently an enforcer, an inconsistent-but-gifted winger with one foot out the door, and Blake Geoffrion, who looks more and more like a Ryan Jones clone every game.  

Enforcers are pointless. Mike Fisher and David Legwand both got taken out under Brian McGrattan's watch. That's not a knock on McGrattan--he can do little when he's not on the ice or doesn't have a fellow heavyweight with whom to fight. I'm all for fighting in hockey, but the sideshow of the enforcer is just that. It's not helping the Predators win games. 

Trotz and Poile need to shoot for making the fourth line a secondary offensive weapon, like it was last year. Bergfors-Geoffrion-Halischuk, for instance, could do some damage.

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I personally really like the Hornqvist – Smith – Wilson line, and agree that they should stay together when Legwand comes back.

by Hoelke11 on Nov 15, 2011 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

"Enforcers are pointless"

Unless they’re not. Ask the Buffalo Sabres

by Hockey Hillbilly on Nov 15, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

Like Brian McGrattan would have saved Ryan Miller?

Cody McCormick was dressed for that game, he of 4 fights this season and 16 the year before. He isn’t enough of a goon to deter Lucic?

by Sam Page on Nov 15, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree there is a non-need for enforcers.

by predwheels on Nov 15, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Big aggressive, physical players like Lucic who are willing to take hits and throw down will not think twice about delivering a shot on a vulnerable player simply because an enforcer is dressed and might come after them at some point. They’ll do it and then take their “punishment” because they either don’t think it through (heat of the moment sort of thing) or because they decide that the reward is worth the risk.

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

by CAustin on Nov 15, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I hear you all and—were we talking about a sport purely conducted with fine skill, finesse and strategy—would agree. But Lucic ran one of the best goalies in the NHL and left him with a concussion. That’s the reality. And not one of that goalie’s teammates rose to retaliate. Not one. Go ahead and call me old school, but I think that was an egregious act that called out for some sort of retribution that didn’t need to wait for a decision from Brendan Shanahan. The Predators (thankfully) have retained another of the NHL’s top goalies to stand in the crease for seven years. If a thug ran Pekka Rinne the way Lucic ran Miller, I’d like to think the Predators would provide immediate payback.

by Hockey Hillbilly on Nov 15, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Big difference between having someone who can stand up to that kind of crap and wasting a roster spot on someone who can do nothing else. I’d be perfectly happy with, for instance, a guy like Lucic doling out justice, because not only is he capable of that, but he can actually play the game too.

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

by CAustin on Nov 15, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

  Is that true that big Paul Gaustad was on the ice during that incident and didn’t get involved? Pathettic if true.

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Nov 15, 2011 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Gaustad is no Kleiner, that’s for sure. :)

by Marcus Newman on Nov 15, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s what I heard.

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

by CAustin on Nov 15, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Klein would stick up for Pekka

even if nobody else would. But I think if it were blatant, Geoffrion, Smithers, Fisher, Cube, and Shea would as well. I’m still not sure if Tootoo will fight at all this season.

by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Nov 19, 2011 3:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Did you know that Trotz had over 400 PIMs in junior hockey?

That’s why we have an enforcer. And why we will always have an enforcer.

I for one enjoy the pugilism.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 15, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

To paraphrase the commentor previously known as SWFP: “Trotz is WRONG!”

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

by CAustin on Nov 15, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Frankly, I’d rather watch Tootoo fight than McGrattan.

Furthermore, when Trotz plays the enforcer, it causes line juggling. And while juggling is fun to watch, line-juggling is not.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 15, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh god, you should have seen the Bolts trying to find a line that worked last night. It was definitely not fun to watch.

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

by CAustin on Nov 15, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep them together!

33/15/27
10/11/24
74/12/18
25/13/22
Blake needs to spend some 1st line minutes in Milwaukee. Bring him back in Jan.

by grassman on Nov 15, 2011 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

good call on blake. mueller may be #1 there though.

by predwheels on Nov 15, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Blake needs to spend some time in Milwuakee as well, but I’m also torn because he is such a solid physical presence out there and I love how he stands up for his teammates when he’s on the ice – but I guess it’s important for him to developing the finer points of his game so it doesn’t just devolve into an enforcer role.

by WTPuck?! on Nov 15, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions  

willy-HB-horny
sk-fish-erat
halischuk-leggy-spals
toots-smitty-bergs

I’m conflicted on whether to switch up fish and leggy because fish-sk-and erat haven’t been generating much offense of late and shuffling could help. Spals had some nice centering passes Saturday night, but there was no one in front of the net to do anything with them.

by buckeye_jg on Nov 15, 2011 10:33 AM EST reply actions  

Not to put too fine a point on it but

"In his second game with the team, Fisher functionally auditioned for Legwand’s job, "

Isn’t the key part of this the fact that it was his 2nd game with the team? I also have the feeling you can explain most of Fish’s production or lack of production with the Preds last season by his shoulder injury.

That being said, I’ve got mixed feelings about the SK-Fish-Erat line. They’ve generated lots of chances and are having good shifts but they’re not finishing. I think all have a case of gripping the stick. It should be working better and I don’t really know if it’s a sign they need a line shuffle to get going or just a little more time to get their timing and confidence back. All 3 haven’t played enough to get into a real rhythm.

I wouldn’t mind seeing SK-Fish-Spals and Haliscuk-Leggy-Erat as 2a/2b lines either.

by ragout on Nov 15, 2011 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

I agree with your 2a/2b lines.

I think the key is separating SK and Erat. I’m a fan of Leggy and Erat on a line together and Halischuk on the other wing makes a lot of sense since he does fill the Joel Ward sort of void.

by WTPuck?! on Nov 15, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

D lines

would you break up weber/suter? try klein/hillen?

by predwheels on Nov 15, 2011 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

on the 2nd line

The 2nd line is weird, it too lacks a shooter. I would say try legwand and Fisher on the line alternately, and the one who picks up their shots per game more should stick. With Sk74 and Erat on the line, the last thing the line needs is for legwand and Fisher to continue playing their games along the boards looking to pass as well. The center who realizes that if they get open for a shot, their wingers will set them up, will find success on that line.

Keys to the game: GA<GF

by flyalder on Nov 15, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

i thought of an easier fix

since Legwand and Fisher are both very streaky in their point production, just put whichever one is currently on a hot streak on the second line. When that player’s streak ends, put him on the defensive line, give the other guy a chance to capitalize on his hot streak.

Keys to the game: GA<GF

by flyalder on Nov 15, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

As long as Leggy is our best (or at least close) player....

….he should remain on one of the top two lines. I’m not opposed to moving Honey Bunny to the 2nd line to be with….SK and Erat? Think about that for a second. Two dudes who won’t shoot the puck paired with a dude who won’t pass the puck? That’s a match made in heaven. So you got:

33-11-27
74-15-10
18-12-24
22-25-13

I like Geoffrion, but he’s perhaps just not good enough (yet) to crack the lineup. Perhaps Milwaukee would be good for him. And I couldn’t tell if your comparison of BamBam to Jones was complementary or negative. But Jones scored 18 on Edmonton’s 4th line last year. He was clearly let go for nothing because of stupidity.

And you made #2 up. All of it. It’s all speculative, just letting you know. But it was an interesting read, Samuel.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 15, 2011 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

Quite rearranging the deck chairs........

  Get Parise and all the lines will look marvelous! ;D

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Nov 15, 2011 3:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I want Radulov more than Parise.

He’s better.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 15, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Radulov likes Trotz

He signed another three year deal with Ufa because he knew the NHL collective bargaining agreement would expire during that timeframe, he wants to come back but not here. At least as long as Trotz is here to make him play two-way hockey, he bucked the new Ufa coaching staff earlier this year. I’d rather trade his rights now for a first round draft pick.

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by eamus-catuli on Nov 15, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

 Better at what, leaving his team? :p

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Nov 15, 2011 5:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Haters always gonna hate....

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 15, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The truth will set you free!

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Nov 15, 2011 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

+1

Indeed, it will.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 16, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Methinks you two could do with a little less freeing and a little more tightening up. :P

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

by CAustin on Nov 16, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

  Go away, trouble maker! :p

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Nov 16, 2011 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You love it when I make trouble. You get to sit back and watch the chaos and laugh and laugh and laugh.

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

by CAustin on Nov 16, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you hitting on me?

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 16, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

that getcha all hot and bothered there?

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

by CAustin on Nov 16, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep it PG Ms. Austin.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 16, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I got my 10th warning for conduct unbecoming from Dirk yesterday.

Perhaps PG-13, but nothing more.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 16, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

D’Oh!

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

by CAustin on Nov 16, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

WHERE IN THE HELL IS BRIAN!?

He’s either ignoring this or in the middle of a 12 page dissertation.

I’m not making fun, either, I just know how strongly he believes in the enforcer.

We'll miss you Belak...

Go Predators!

by Poiju on Nov 15, 2011 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

He usually is around later in the evening when he makes it over here.

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

by CAustin on Nov 15, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Line 1: 27-15-33
Line 2: 10-12-74
These two lines are pretty self explanatory. See below for a possible alternative.
Line 3: 5-11-24
As far as this line goes, everyone might say "look at Leggy’s offensive production. Why put him on a line like this? I think the only reason Leggy is tied for the team lead in points is because he has been surrounded by good young players who are maturing this season. Case in point: the 27-15-33 line. Also, the 10-12-74 has been solid, at least when all healthy. Geoffrion and Halischuk are solid young players that need to develop behind a good two-way forward like Legwand. The one possible alternative I can see is swapping out Legwand and Fisher. However, I think Fisher’s offensive upside is greater than Leggy’s.
Line 4: 13-25-22
Pretty self explanatory. These 3 players compliment each other well.

by Bryce Levet on Nov 15, 2011 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

And obviously this doesn’t mean Line 1 is better than Line 2 or Line 3 is better than Line 4.

by Bryce Levet on Nov 15, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't come in here and tell us that it's all self explanatory....

….and then respond to your own post. That doesn’t make any sense.

Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 15, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Fish

is our 3rd best center if everyone is healthy.

by Marcus Newman on Nov 15, 2011 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

Legwands immanent return
Then Trotz could use Fisher/Legwand/Erat as an all-purpose line to protect the young guns.

I think this is exactly what you do. Fisher played some wing in Ottawa and would be a great compliment for Leggy and Erat (both defensively conscious players). Fisher provides speed and that big body to go to the front of the net to take either Legwand or Erat’s passes. Legwand would once again slide into more of the playmaker role which he has done most of his career and Erat can focus on being more of the high % sniper instead of the trigger man.

Kostitsyn and Bergfors can move to a 3rd line scoring line centered by either Spaling or Geoffrion and we could have a solid checking line with Smithson/Halischuk/Tootoo.

It all makes perfect sense to me.

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by Shawn Kehoe on Nov 15, 2011 5:10 PM EST reply actions  

27-15-33
Could be our best line. I’m seeing Wilson as more of a playmaker than goal scorer, and you’ve got a guy who is willing to shoot the puck (Smith) and a guy who is willing to go to the net (Hornqvist). They all would seem to complement one another.
5-11-74 instead of 10-12-74
Don’t like the idea of two reluctant shooters (Erat and Kostitsyn) on the same line and would not put either one on the top line. Gotta think 74 will be more productive than 10. Legwand instead of Fisher, Fisher just doesn’t do it for me. Give Blake a chance on a so-called scoring line or send him to Milwaukee so he doesn’t wither on the vine like young forwards past.
10-12-24
12-25-22
As I predicted this past summer, our defense is showing the effects of losing Ward and O’Brien. I totally get it about Ward, but I’m stilled mystified and pissed about SOB.

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by shoot the puck on Nov 15, 2011 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

THE BEST LINES ARE...

Horny-Fish-Tits was great last year
Erat-Leggy -Insert Hard Worker Type Player
Wilson-Smith-Insert Hard Worker Type Player
Tootoo-Smithson-Insert Hard Worker Type Player

Thank you.

by Brenthrax on Nov 15, 2011 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

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