Predators 4, Maple Leafs 1: Bloody Knuckles
by Sam Page on Nov 18, 2011 12:08 AM EST
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Despite being battered with shots, Pekka Rinne never waffled in net, and the Predators beat the Maple Leafs tonight in Nashville, 4-1.
The much-maligned of late Kostitsyn-Fisher-Erat line lead the way on offense, combining for seven points on the strength of two Marty party goals. Erat's first tally came 5:48 into the first off a lucky rebound that landed right on his stick. That lead would hold until a high-sticking penalty on Jack Hillen set up a Leafs power play, which John-Michael Liles converted on an extremely well-placed wrist shot.
The Preds retook the lead quickly, though, as Ryan Suter, supposedly in the midst of contract negotiations, strengthened his bargaining position with his fourth goal of the season. Suter's four goals matches his total from each of the past two seasons and gives him the ever-rare lead over his partner Shea Weber, who has netted just three so far.
That would prove all the lead the Predators needed. Erat added another goal off a one-timer from Mike Fisher early in the third period, and the Preds characteristically fell back into a very conservative trap-style game. The Leafs had chances but, largely thanks to Rinne, the boys in gold bent but didn't break.
Craig Smith had a chance to ice the game late, but the site of the vacated net painfully reminded him of his fallen mentor David Legwand, and stricken with grief, he flipped the puck over the glass. Matt Halischuk, however, secured frosties for all with his first David Legwand Memorial Empty Net Goal of the season.
Video highlights and errata after the jump.
First the highlights:
Now a minute to talk about the fight. Brian McGrattan thoroughly pounded Jay Rosehill's head, in one of the more dominant fights I've ever seen from a Predator. Whether or not you think the dedicated enforcer is a sideshow or a legitimate weapon, McGrattan's might be the best fighter in the league. So far on HockeyFights.com it's a unanimous win for Mac and the highest rated fight of the season (8.7/10). Here's the video:
I heard estimates of 30-50 punches thrown from McGrattan and he landed nearly all of them. Rosehill was trying to give it back just as quickly, but he could hardly reach Big Ern's face. Watching McGrattan fight is literally terrifying--the way he smiles and laughs inappropriately, while taking punches. McGrattan finished with two variations on the "let me hear it" celebration. The Preds' bench laughed, I laughed, even the dude in the home penalty box laughed. Nashville's definitely showing Mac the love, and he's basking in it.
Other notes:
- Despite his big moment, McGrattan had an otherwise frustrating game, with two failed dump ins, a bad icing, and two missed scoring chances. On the first miss, McGrattan just couldn't elevate a beautiful rebound. The second non-goal was more of a bad beat, as Luke Schenn stopped his shot, as it rolled along the goal line.
- Another "but" for some of tonight's stars: Erat and Kostitsyn need to shoot more. Yes, Erat scored because Fisher passed beautifully on a 2-on-1. But on two earlier breakaways, a 2-on-1 and 3-on-2 respectively, Erat and Kostitsyn tried to make the perfect pass instead of taking the clear shot. Mark Howard gave a report from the bench about how Trotz had been urging Kostitsyn to shoot more and clearly had gotten through to him. What?? SK74 had 0 shots.
- Shea Weber is +18. Ryan Suter is +15.
- Even though they've been quiet for two games, the Wilson-Smith-Hornqvist had good shifts and good chances. I'm not giving that line back to Leggy yet.
- Kevin Klein resumed his long-running campaign to turn my hair prematurely grey with a turnover at center ice to Tim Connolly.
- Dion Phaneuf was picking on Tootoo early, maybe looking for a fight, but Toots was having none of it. I half-expected this to happen.
- The power play went 0-3 against a poor PK team. They had good pace early on, but sloppy turnovers are doing them in.
- Ben Scrivens made the best save against the Preds so far this in the season, robbing Mike Fisher on a perfect tic-tac-toe series of passes.
- Dave Steckel and Francis Bouillon both threw their hats into the ring for best actor this year, on two embellished high-sticking penalties. In both cases, the penalty was there, but each player made well sure the ref called it.
- The Predators really need to tighten up defensively. Exiting the zone was a huge problem throughout the game. Blake Geoffrion also made his case for Milwaukee a lot stronger with a few horrendous turnovers late in the game.
- "Is it Gumby...that little rubber thing that stretches?" --Terry Crisp
- From the official scorer: "NSH #15 SMITH, Wrist, Over Net, Off. Zone, 11 ft."
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sometimes you bite the cobra and sometimes the cobra bites you (then you sleep it off, get up and finish eating the cobra).
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Also....
I don’t understand all the consternation on the post-game show. Toronto didn’t look that good: Their passing was bad. Their energy was untimely. And our TEAM defense made them look like crap.
Again: our TEAM defense made them look like crap. That said, our team defense looked pretty damn good. And Peks, too.
they outplayed us in the 1st and 2nd periods.
grumpy insurance adjuster. hockey connoisseur. t-shirt addict. nerd.
by Shawn Kehoe on Nov 18, 2011 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Do you mean 1st and 3rd periods?
I thought we had the better of them in the 2nd. The 3rd was too much sitting back after Marty’s 2nd put us up 3-1.
Yes, you meant the first and third periods.
We gave them the third period. We had the game won early in the third. We crushed them…not even the Leaf contingent was sticking around to watch the late game carnage.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
McGratton's thoughts during a fight
“lol, I can’t believe how much they are paying me to punch this guy. Do I get paid by the punch? Quick, punch faster!”
Keys to the game: GA<GF
by flyalder on Nov 18, 2011 12:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps Leggy can counsel him on how to deal with public embarrassment?
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think this was a little worse
than when Ryan undressed Leggy in the Ducks series. maybe not much worse, so Leggy could probably give Smith some pointers, but dude, the kid’s gotta know that he was going to make a mistake at some point in his career. I just hope that he deals with it in a positive manner and comes out playing like it’s behind him tomorrow night.
by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Nov 19, 2011 2:29 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not baggin' on Smith.
And I hope for what you hope for.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 19, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
bonus coverage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMc1FdIyovY&feature=youtu.be
60% of the time it works every time
by Creeping Death on Nov 18, 2011 12:24 AM EST reply actions
I can’t take credit for this. Kris tweeted it. But the OtFers without twitter can enjoy it
60% of the time it works every time
by Creeping Death on Nov 18, 2011 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
probably arrogant hockey elitism
grumpy insurance adjuster. hockey connoisseur. t-shirt addict. nerd.
by Shawn Kehoe on Nov 18, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
my friend said he threw beer all over the people in front of him… Leaf fans can’t handle their beer or their hockey
60% of the time it works every time
by Creeping Death on Nov 18, 2011 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Me neither.
Hands go uuppp..... AND THEY STAY THERE!
-nashvillepredators-
by davisca on Nov 18, 2011 2:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The comment at youtube says he threw beer on people in front of him after the game, and argued with security.
by LuvthePreds on Nov 18, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Oops; didn’t see that Creeping Death had already answered that..
by LuvthePreds on Nov 18, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
I just realized why
Honey Badger missed that EN. It’s because Ken Campbell wrote an article about him. Curses!
I feel bad for HB...
that was horrible. Hopefully this will get him fired up and he will get a hatty next game.
Beer... Now there's a temporary solution.-Homer Simpson
Geoffrion is playing fine, making some rookie mistakes here and there, but he is getting some tough defensive zone starts, which shows he has the trust of the coaching staff. He also busts his hump all over the ice getting to the puck and getting back on defense.
World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer
All this stuff is true.
Quit hatin’ on BamBam.
And that Phaneuf video is HILARIOUS!!!
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
FYI - If you are interested in going to a game as a group this winter, check out the Fan Post I just put up.
CAustin and Fan in JC and Predmonton and a few others and I were trying to figure out who’s interested, what games people would be interested in, etc. etc. I figured this would be a good post to mention it on, and get the word out :)
Hands go uuppp..... AND THEY STAY THERE!
-nashvillepredators-
I prefer anonymity.
Somebody’s gotta be dying to punch me in the face. Flyalder, VMUPilot, Dirk, Chris, Seth…there are just too many to count.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
(urge…to…comment…over..whelming….Must…resist….)
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
"For I am Vader, Darth Vader, Lord Vader. I can kill you with a single thought." "Well, you'll still need a tray."
You're a girl, you don't count.
Sam, Don Borvio………………….
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention
Legwand
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey
Holy Moly....
….is it a meet and greet? Cause if it is, then I’ll go.
I know Colin Wilson will have my back like I’ve always had his.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
WHY WAS CREEPING DEATH LEFT OUT OF THIS LIST?? I am gonna go McGrattan on yo ass!
60% of the time it works every time
by Creeping Death on Nov 18, 2011 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Cause you're a roody-pooh-candy-ass
That’s why.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 19, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Imagine this scary thought........
Imagine if we had the other teams goalie on most nights and they had Rinne……..any guesses on what our record would be? :o
That first minute or two of the 3rd period was they key point of the game, IMO. The Loafs put 6 good shots on Rinne but can’t get one by him and then we get a 2 on 1 break and, bingo jingo, it’s 3-1. Rinne>most other teams goalies.
Just glad Smith did his blopper reel play with a two goal lead……just tap it in next time, kid! :D
With the Blues looking pretty good right now, this is gonna be a very competitve Central division between the 4 good teams in the division (sorry, Jackets).
Preds win, Tebow and the Broncos win……..it was a good sports night! :) Except for a person I know who is a big Devils fan who told me that Parise is almost surely going to sign with the Wild this off-season. Boo! :(
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 1:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Who said he wouldn’t be playing with his buddy Suter as well. ;)
Scary thought, but a very real possibilty.
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why would Parise sign with the Wild? I thought he liked it in NJ, for some reason.
I hate when a Pred makes a blopper reel.
And yes, Rinne is the game changer on this team. Thank you for noticing.
:)
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
A. Parise is from Minnesota and is marrying his high school sweetheart who (obviously) is from Minny. Plus the Wild will have lots of $$$ to offer him come July 1st of 2012.
B. Blopper, blooper…..it’s all the same. :p
C. When you’ve been outshot in all but two games this season, you better have the best goalie in net for you. We’d be the Jackets without him.
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 11:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So your plan for having Taylor Swift lure ZP to Nashville is all for naught? How sad.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
"For I am Vader, Darth Vader, Lord Vader. I can kill you with a single thought." "Well, you'll still need a tray."
You completely (and I think deliberately) ruined the potential (arranged) marriage between Taylor and ZP. It’s all your fault! :p
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 7:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, As a matter of fact
so many, many NHL superstars come to me for romantic advice that I am positively swamped and can get nothing else done.!
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
"For I am Vader, Darth Vader, Lord Vader. I can kill you with a single thought." "Well, you'll still need a tray."
Next time I aim to bring an all-star scorer to the team, it’ll be a covert, black ops type deal. :p
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 9:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He’s making a mistake, women from Minnesota are nuts. (the best ones I dated while there were from somewhere else)
Young kids, blinded by love……..reason be damned! :D
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 7:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
how many ways can craig smith not score? hit a post, had one stopped on the goal line, then flubbed the en. any word on the lombardi injury?
just this
@SeanFitz_Gerald SeanFitz_Gerald
Mid-to-upper body? MT @SNBarryDavis Lombardi just left the arena with his left arm in a sling. Komisarek had a jacket over his right arm.
11 hours ago
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
"For I am Vader, Darth Vader, Lord Vader. I can kill you with a single thought." "Well, you'll still need a tray."
Tebow time.
This guy has to fail. I mean he will fail. He will fail right?
Failing his team right back into playoff contention. :)
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow.
Rinne just keeps delivering. By all what’s being discussed on his new contract, he definately gives a great effort to defy the doubters. Even if he’ll drop off this awesome pace in a couple of years, he’ll still be a solid deal: Only with such a stellar netminder, you can allow being outshot day in day out and still remain competitive.
Awesome also: Weber + Suter going 4+ for this game. Now the Big 3 are really HUGE!
Craig Smith
That missed empty netter was painful to watch…but I mean in a funny haha way. I couldn’t believe my eyes. He’ll hear about that one for a while.
Something Funny
No, he wasn't out there for the final 2 mins....that I noticed anyway.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Marty was given the go ahead to get on the ice, shortly before the sk, smith thing happened.
World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer
I was sittin' next to you:
How’d you see that and I didn’t?
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
I pointed it out to you. He was standing waiting to go over the rail, but we couldn’t get the change. Oh damn… Yes, everyone, I hang out with PfPP (formerly SWfP). He is a reasonable man.
World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer
That’s a damnedable lie, sir! :D
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
"For I am Vader, Darth Vader, Lord Vader. I can kill you with a single thought." "Well, you'll still need a tray."
Heh. You’ve seen troops, right?
World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer
no, I haven’t. Is that a movie or something? (yes, I am in fact “lame.”)
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
"For I am Vader, Darth Vader, Lord Vader. I can kill you with a single thought." "Well, you'll still need a tray."
It is a Star Wars parody thing. Find the full version.
World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer
In full disclosure, I’m not actually a Star Wars fan. My sig quote comes from Eddie Izzard’s “Death Star Canteen” sketch. Because we’re supposedly Columbus’s Darth Vader.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
"For I am Vader, Darth Vader, Lord Vader. I can kill you with a single thought." "Well, you'll still need a tray."
Non-StarWars fans are not allowed to laugh at Star Wars related jokes. It’s a fact.
World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer
That’s a funny sketch. And I’m a little nervous that that’s how our game will go with Columbus. Things have been going a little too well. At some point we’re going to be forced to get a wet tray and change our name to Jeff Vader just to get a little lunch.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
"For I am Vader, Darth Vader, Lord Vader. I can kill you with a single thought." "Well, you'll still need a tray."
So that means he was NOT on the ice, like I said.
He meant I’m rational, not reasonable.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
He was given the go-ahead to get on the ice… Like I said.
World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer
So you read lips from 500 feet away now?
That’s a useful skill in espionage.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 19, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Smith's goof was so funny even the guys on the bench were laughing their arses off
And anybody(s) from Toronto that can buy entire section #108 in our barn and come to a Preds game because it’s cheaper than trying to go to a Leafs game is a friend of mine. Met those dude at the 1st INT and told them all about the BEST Hockey Tonks. I LOVE when any of the Original 6 team and their fans come to town.
I watched it live but...
Can someone explain the game misconduct on McGrattan? I wasn’t sure if it was for excessive celebration or what. Incredible fight, either way.
I think it was because he kept punching Rosie after the ref told him to stop. I could be wrong, but that’s just what I assumed.
by emzee on Nov 18, 2011 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hey Sam
I know I haven’t told you this yet, but I really like your game reviews. Lots of info and lots of fun. Just a really good last thing to read the night after the game (or first thing to read in the morning).
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Can't get on board and support
Players that play to the crowd like McGratton does. Just old school I guess, but I don’t care for it. He totally punished the guy, took out his will on him and sent him into the weekend early. His teammates know it. The opponent knows it. That should be enough satisfaction, seems to me…
by predsbelonginblue on Nov 18, 2011 9:30 AM EST reply actions
Eh. He learned from Chris Neil during their time together here in Ottawa. :P
A Goal Horn Haiku
Hoooonk hoooonk honk honk hooooonk
That's the sound the train horn makes
Suck it, Toronto
I’ve been a total member of the “anti-McGratton” camp so far, but last night I may have changed my mind. Sure, I’d rather have a better puck handler out there, but McGratton kept his cool until some of the Leafs started jabbing at our key players – and then he unleashed. He definitely delivered a message to Toronto that if you want to fight, you’re gonna have to fight “McScrappin” style, and I don’t think any opponent can beat that flurry.
As for the antics of playing to the crowd? Yeah, it’s a “circus sideshow” for sure, but hey, it doesn’t look like he’s gonna get a chance to celebrate any goals anytime soon, so why not give him a little applause for his moment.
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He's done it to the Leafs before.
McGrattan vs. Domi, back a few years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbTn47zmbnc
A Goal Horn Haiku
Hoooonk hoooonk honk honk hooooonk
That's the sound the train horn makes
Suck it, Toronto
Rumor from another Sens fan is that he ended Domi's career...is that right?
But that doesn’t look like the fight that would’ve done it…despite the uppercut.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
The celebrations don’t bother me. Everyone does it. And as long as the fight happens b/c of what’s going on on the ice, I’m okay with that.
What I don’t like about McG’s presence on the team is (a) a guy who can only do one thing is a waste of a roster space, and (b) he has shown that he’ll drop the gloves for no reason whatsoever, which can be distracting and can shift/cement the momentum for the other side.
As long as he’s picking his moments and getting better at contributing in terms of actual hockey, I’m willing to give him a chance. But I really dislike carrying a guy who is as of limited use as an enforcer is.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
a guy who can only do one thing is a waste of a roster space
Exactly why I have mixed feelings on this guy! And I continue to wonder why not just keep SOB around?
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That’s a decision I will never understand. He was really on his way to becoming a huge part of this team’s identity. And he protected the goalies. And he finally seemed to have “gotten it” re: penalties. If he was looking for Joel Ward money, it would make sense, but he’s getting less there than he was here.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Trotz was a goon, that's why.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know….he almost got to celebrate a goal last night.
by LuvthePreds on Nov 18, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
He don't scrap, he pounds.
McPounder is more like it.
And I agree with you Chas, I love the showboating after a McPounding. I’m one of the dudes who cheers loudest for that.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Anders is so good to his little friends
@FakeLindback Fake Anders Lindback
Mr Badger felt so sad after the game. Anders asked Mr Jerred if it was OK if he rode with us to get Frosties. Mr Badger smiled!
34 minutes ago
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
LMAO
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
wtf?!
http://video.thescore.com/watch/fan-kicks-glass-lupul-in-head
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Lame…some fans don’t deserve to sit near the glass. I don’t care what team you cheer for. That was classless.
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Agreed. Totally uncalled for. And of course now it’s made the (inter)national media, thank-you-very-much.
It was a Duck move.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
Yeah, that was low class...
…I always feel like apologizing to players that get treated like that by our fans. I want to say, “Look, man…we’re not all like that. That guy is a real jackass. Here’s a gift card to Loveless Cafe.”
The fans are standing up to them! The security guards are standing up to them! The peanut vendors are standing up to them! And by golly, if I could get down there, I'd be standing up to them! - Slap Shot
by rusherman on Nov 18, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I support that behavior.
Versus the opposition.
Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is where the Stanley Cup can be found.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
you would :p
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
"For I am Vader, Darth Vader, Lord Vader. I can kill you with a single thought." "Well, you'll still need a tray."
Why is that any different than pounding on the glass with your hands?
World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer
What? Do you mean why is kicking the glass different from hitting on the glass or why is PfPP different from hitting the glass?
As far as kicking the glass, it’s a matter of degrees. Like I said before, it’s a line between good fun and bad manners. He didn’t just make some noise. He kicked at a guy’s head. I’d have been embarrassed if my kid did it. I don’t think the guy ought to be strung up or anything, but I do think it was rude and a little mean-spirited. It’s sort of along the lines of the difference between playful teasing and name calling.
PfPP is different from hitting the glass because…..well you can fill in the blanks yourself.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
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What if you banged the glass really hard with your hands and got the same amount of glass movement that caused the same amount of reaction? Was is just his foot kicking it that is the problem? Do you guys believe in fan interaction with the players? What about people just yelling at players? Where is the line here? Really, I want some feedback on this issue. Why, exactly, was that wrong and what is okay to do?
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Cisar, you do what you want to do.
Social behavior is about the message you send and the context within which your interaction takes place. I wouldn’t let my kids kick or bang on a neighbor’s door, either, although there’s no hard line between knocking and banging, and you would sure do it if there was an emergency (context). If there were hard clear lines about it, there wouldn’t be a need for Dear Abby and other advice columns. For me, I found what that guy did to be mean-spirited and rude and unmannerly. To me it smacked of contempt. If you disagree, you disagree, and the world’s not gonna end.
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I wholeheartedly agree with “mean-spirited, rude and unmannerly.” I find banging on the glass to be rude, too, but the fact that he kicked it makes it more egregious.
by LuvthePreds on Nov 19, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Clare, I don’t sit anywhere near the glass. As I said above, I just want some feedback on this issue from everyone. In other words, I’m gathering data.
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I thought you were directing your comment at my response. I misunderstood, and I’m sorry. I’m certainly not accusing you of being improper, but I do think people have to make those decisions in the moment and in context. And that there are going to be differences of opinion.
Yes it’s the kicking more than the glass movement for me. You don’t use your feet to interact with complete strangers. You just don’t kick people in the general run of things. The fan wasn’t playing in a soccer game or in karate class or somewhere else where kicking is part of the procedure. I’m sure there are exceptions to that rule, but it applies pretty generally.
I don’t feel there’s any problem with banging on the glass, in general, as long as you are aware you’re in public, with other people, and aren’t obnoxious about it. If the people around you are uncomfortable with what you’re doing, it might be over the line.
Interacting with players is great as long as fans keep in mind that players are very limited in how they’re allowed to respond. So be fair.
Be aware if there are kids nearby and don’t do something that you would feel uncomfortable justifying to your own kid.
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I liked it and support kicking the glass whole-heartedly.
It’s a separation barrier, not a leaning post or a pillow.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 19, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
they need to make wanted signs with that guys face on it… loser should have been kicked out with those Leaf fans. Grow up old man!
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by Creeping Death on Nov 18, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Marty
I’ve been a downer on Marty for a while (and at one point he was my favorite Predator), but I’m happy to say he looks like he’s on a mission to prove he’s worth his salt. Keep flying #10!
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I was at the arena last night...
My takeaways:
- Erat looks good. Really good. Every time I watch him, I’m stunned at how well he handles the puck…it really is otherworldy sometimes.
- A lot of Leafs fans there last night. I met a few of them…a really good group of folks. I heard several comments about how our barn is pretty electric relative to other arenas in the league.
- Don’t put your own “personal spin” on the anthems of Canada and the US. It was written a certain way. Sing it that way.
- That puck would have gone in if Honey Badger hadn’t touched it. Being a big SK74 fan, it pissed me off a little. And the lowlight reel miss made it even worse.
- Good fight or not, I have no idea why McGrattan is on this team. Yes, he laid the smackdown on Rosehill, but otherwise McGrattan’s play was just plain awful. He is a terrible hockey player. And I’ve never been much for sideshows anyway…that’s what he brings to the table. I’ve seen him fight three times this season, and none were remotely entertaining.
- I’ve been hard on Weber this year up until now. Yeah, we’re going to need to sign both #20 & #6. They both had Norris-type performances last night.
- Pekka. Rinne.
- Was glad to see over 16K fans there on a Thursday night. Who says this isn’t a hockey city?
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Erat
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LOL
Yeah, OK.
He’s hot right now. He’ll be not by next week.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
McG is not a terrible hockey player.
You picked an odd night to complain about the anthems. There have been plenty worse. I will agree the harmony mix was not good. And,btw, U.S. Anthem is in 3/4 time, I wish everyone would remember that when singing it.
Paid attendance was 16,000 +, actual attendance not so much.
Erat did look good.
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I agree, he's not noticeably bad.
And he’s the be-all and end-all in the ring.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
I read that McGrattan is working very hard to improve his playing. But it does appear that no one can give a good reason why he was hired. Only Barry knows, I suppose, and it’s obvious he isn’t talking. It has been a long time since we had a fight like that.
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We know why he's here
It’s obvious, and Barry has talked about his presence as an enforcer. It’s no mystery, but rather, many of us disagree with the reasoning. He puts on a show and entertains the fans every once in a while, but doesn’t help the team win games.
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hey, he got Bergfors to score a goal. nobody else on the team can boast such an accomplishment
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by Creeping Death on Nov 18, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously, the better question to ask is, why is Bergfors on the team? No second SK74 in the making with the Bear Force (wee lil teddy bear force).
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 7:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My reasoning is that Trotz was a goon in juniors and so he has to have one.
And there ain’t diddly anybody can do to change his mind.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Suter
he’s doing what i wnted to see out of him. shooting and scoring goals.
I’ll tell you what I’ve noticed since we picked up McGratten……Teams are taking less liberties against our guys. Hell, the duck game, they were all talk but very little in the way of cheap shots, especially since Parros is on the shelf.
It appears he is doing his job and he is good at it. BTW, he received the loudest cheer of the nite.
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Sorry, but I'm calling confirmation bias on that one.
First it’s an unproveable hypothesis since there’s no way to know how many cheap shots there would be if McG weren’t on the team. You can’t even tell how many cheap shots we took last season because no one keeps track of that. Second, I’ve seen plenty of cheap shots, from everyone from the Ducks to the Caps, this season. Ovechkin cheap shotted Shea Weber, for god’s sake.
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It's anecdotal evidence....
….objection overruled.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Is that grizzled dressed up as CAustin?
Just a general feeling since I attend all the games and watching the reactions of the opposing teams…… It’s appears teams are a little more wary of starting stuff. I like the pre game when McGratten is slowly skating the red line, eyeing his opponent, possibly searching out a victim.
Plus, your questioning my hypothesis is just as unproveable as I’m not looking to prove my belief, just making an observation.
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by Predator Don on Nov 18, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Well, GB and I fight so much because we're so much alike.
And I have no idea how your hypothesis being unproven makes my questioning of your unprovable hypothesis unprovable. But I can prove that you asserted something that you can’t prove.
Like I said earlier, if McG brings more to the table than the ability to knock someone else’s block off, I’ve got no problem with him. If he forechecks and backchecks and creates room for the shooters—that is, if he plays hockey—and he picks his moments for fighting, then as far as I’m concerned, he can pummel whoever needs pummeling. But there are a lot of liberties being taken and a lot of cheap shots being taken and a lot of our boys being injured on hits, and I’ve never seen any evidence that an enforcer actually decreases those things.
You look at opposing teams and say they’re thinking twice. I look at Legwand and Fisher getting laid out, and Tootoo getting speared, and Shea getting slew-footed and say, no, they’re not thinking twice at all. You’re not arguing Trotz should leave him in the lineup because you like watching him fight. You’re arguing that his fighting by itself helps the team by deterring opponents and that is an assumption you might want to reconsider.
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No, you can’t prove anything…….because it is my observation. I’m not sure why you’re even objecting or wanting proof. It is my observation that incidents are down. It is my belief because we have a guybwho can fight. I makebthis observation over the multiple years I’ve been going to games.
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by Predator Don on Nov 18, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
You are saying that I cannot, in fact, prove that you wrote the words that you wrote?
Because if you didn’t write those words, someone has hacked your account.
You wrote: “since we picked up McGratten……Teams are taking less liberties against our guys” and “It appears he is doing his job and he is good at it.” That is an assertion of a cause and effect relationship. That is not an opinion. “I like McGrattan” is an opinion. “McGrattan is fun to watch” is an opinion. “Teams are taking less liberties” is an assertion of fact, but there is no evidence given to support that . Not even the correlation between time (since we picked up McG) and phenomenon (teams are taking fewer liberties) has been addressed. You can’t show that since the start of this season we have been victimized less or that the more McG plays the less we get victimized or that other teams are hesitating. You are seeing what you want to see.
And I want proof because I disagree with your observation/assessment/argument. I assert that your observation of the decrease in incidents is flawed because you have no data to back it up. I further assert that there is no data to support any relationship between McGrattan’s presence and the number of incidents, nor any increase or decrease in them compared to previous periods of time.
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Shea was not slew-footed.
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Ovechkin did something to him. Tripped him or slew-footed him or something. Either way, it wasn’t called by the officials.
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"For I am Vader, Darth Vader, Lord Vader. I can kill you with a single thought." "Well, you'll still need a tray."
She called that a slew foot?
CAustin is in contempt. She made that up. And the hits on Fish and Super-Legs were also clean. These do not constitute liberties. The only liberties of which she speaks is the Perry spear, which was a liberty. But Tootoo can fight his own battles because he is a Rankin Inlet warrior Thus, this does not constitute a liberty that would fall under the jurisdiction of Mr. McPounder.
Furthermore, I agree with Predator Don. So that is two anecdotes.
When experts in the field assess a relationship between two variables, McGratton and liberties in this case, then the relationship among those variables are no longer subjective, but they become objective. Your objection is noted counselor CAustin, but again, overruled.
Keep sticking your tongue out and see what happens :)
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Psssht! Expert! Ha! I scoff at your expertness! and I stick my tongue out at your anecdotes. :P
You keep trying to squirm out of providing actual evidence, PfPP, but I’m on to you!
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Quite a complement being identified with me, eh? :D
Together we’ll abolish the hockey world of illogic. :)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 7:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh god! I’ve truly gone over to the dark side, haven’t I?
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Bawahahahah! :D
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 9:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You cannot
No matter what logic you attempt to spin, it is my OBSERVATION only……Tyne instances you brought forth were refuted, quite nicely I may add.
I owe you no proof and I did not engage in an argument because it is my opinion, you just want to argue…….most women do ( yes, a cheap shot…lol)
So while you debate yourself over a statistic that does not exist, remember it was the team decision to bring in an enforcer, so I can only deduce they believe the need was there……. So maybe your argument is with Poile, but it certainly isn’t with me over an opinion.
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by Predator Don on Nov 18, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
BTW, not to stir the pot, but thru the first 20% of the season, our goal scoring is in line with of some of the “offensive” teams we play….. Matter of fact, we are ahead of some of those offensive juggernauts.
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It actually feels like were developing some lines with identity as opposed to the ol’ mixed bag routine. Maybe we’re getting some consistency.
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Somewhat of a......
DEATH BY A THOUSAND BEE STINGS
look by the youngsters?
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 18, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Actually.......
and as I noted a few days ago, we’re currently just 4 goals ahead of last seasons goals scored total thru 18 GP. Same sting, but more inportantly, same goalie. ;)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 7:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How many we got compared to this point last year?
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 19, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Didn’t I answer that in the above post?
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 20, 2011 1:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No?
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 20, 2011 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm, I said we were 4 goals ahead of last years total thru the same number of games. It’s now 6 goals ahead thru 19GP. Dare I be more specific?
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 21, 2011 8:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My two cents on having a McPounder on your team.
In most games that we play, the score is close and having a goon on the bench doesn’t do us much good. However, in a game where the score may not be close, especially late in a game when there’s a 2 goal or more spread between us the other team, that’s when a team will start gooning it up with you. That’s where a McGrattan serves a purpose.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 7:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
1st time i’ve agreed w/ you on something.
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by Shawn Kehoe on Nov 18, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm, maybe I need to rethink this. :D
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 10:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But what about the fact that you don’t know before a game starts whether a 2-or-more goal spread will occur?
by LuvthePreds on Nov 18, 2011 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
You can’t know that, of course, but you can prepare for it in case it does happen. That’s the call a coach has to make. I prefer having an O’Brien type around to intervene in situations like this, but we know what happened there.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 11:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Let me preface……..this is my opinion and I have no statical proof over my opinion, but it seems most of the fisticuffs have occurred early in games and not in the 3rd period.
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Last night it didn’t. ;)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 18, 2011 11:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Found this re: an update on Lombardi’s injury:
The news on Mike Komisarek and Matthew Lombardi was not as positive. Lombardi left Thursday’s game in Nashville with an upper-body injury and later left the arena with his left arm in a sling. Komisarek also left the game with an upper-body injury.
Both players are expected to miss a minimum of three weeks.
so was his arm concussed?
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by Creeping Death on Nov 19, 2011 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
That fight
Looks like every fight I have ever had on NHL video games…
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