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Bobby Ryan Being Shopped in Anaheim?

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As news broke out of Anaheim last night that Bobby Ryan was being shopped by the Ducks, discussions took off all across the league about the possibilities of who might be interested and where he might land.  While it might be a bit far fetched to believe he'd wind up here in Nashville, conversations started during the game last night and lead to Jeremy K. Gover from Section303.com asking me to make a contribution to his round table discussion on the topic today. 

After the jump, my thoughts on what it would take to land Bobby Ryan, but first be sure to read Jeremy's proposal as I reference it several times...

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The reports of Bobby Ryan being on the trade block in Anaheim are certainly enough to get anyone excited, but with a gaping hole up front in terms of a lack of dynamic offensive talent, and the seemingly apparent need to bolster the offense and prove you are a serious Cup contender to retain your top defensive pairing past this summer, it should definitely spark some lively debate in the offices at 501 Broadway.

In my opinion, David Poile has rebuilt the talent base through the draft to where it was prior to the Peter Forsberg trade in 2007 and subsequent fire sale thereafter.  By being patient and allowing the talent base to develop Poile has put the Predators into a position to absorb the cost of acquiring a star offensive player without leaving the cupboard bare and mortgaging the future.  But don't be confused, going out to acquire a player of Bobby Ryan's stature will cost a lot and it will hurt.

I'm not sure Jeremy's proposal would be enough to land Ryan honestly.  While the value is certainly there with 3 first round picks (Colin Wilson, Ryan Ellis, and our 2012 1st) and Teemu Laakso heading to Anaheim, I'm not sure it gives Anaheim the type of immediate help or change that they are looking for in terms of NHL ready talent.  Don't get me wrong, Ryan Ellis could be playing in the NHL for some teams right now, but realistically he's still a young defenseman that will need protected minutes whenever he makes his NHL debut until he gets comfortable.  Additionally, I'm not sure the "cringe" factor is honestly high enough yet to land a 24 year old three-time 30 goal scorer. 

Landing Bobby Ryan would be quite the coup for David Poile.  Not only would Bobby Ryan bring an immediate offensive punch to the Predators lineup, but he also comes signed at a modest $5.1 million salary through the 2014-15 season that he has the potential to far outplay given prices seen in free agency for 30 goal scorers in recent years.  As Jeremy pointed out to me in our conversation, after seeing the extension given to James Van Riemsdyk in Philadelphia, Colin Wilson's restricted free agency status at the end of the season definitely highlights the financial value of possibly flipping in Wilson as the centerpiece of a Ryan package as well.


My Proposal:


I'm not sure even this would be enough to get Anaheim GM Bob Murray to trade Bobby Ryan inside the Western Conference...


Colin Wilson, Jonathon Blum, Matt Halischuk, and our 2012 1st round pick for Bobby Ryan and Luca Sbisa

 

Why the Preds do it:


They get Bobby Ryan!  I think this has been talked about enough already.  The Blum for Sbisa trade will likely be viewed as a lateral move by some, but both teams have a lack of depth on their blueline right now.  Adding Blum to Anaheim's backend gives them a young puck-moving two-way defenseman with local ties and adds a good skating stay-at-home defenseman to pair with Roman Josi as he transitions into the NHL.  Josi and Sbisa have been paired together a lot as they grew up in Switzerland and were the top pairing for the Swiss as recently as the 2009 World Junior Championships and World Championships.

Why the Ducks do it:


The Ducks get Colin Wilson, a developing power forward with two years of NHL experience under his belt playing the best hockey of his NHL career yet and who still has a lot of room still left to grow.  Wilson fits the Ducks lineup with his mix of physical and offensive skill and would have to be the centerpiece to any potential deal with Anaheim that made sense for the Predators. 

They get California native Jonathon Blum in the deal.  Blum, the first California native to be drafted in the 1st round of the NHL Entry Draft, has a long resume of success at the junior level and continues to grow at the NHL level.  Blum adds an NHL ready defenseman to the Ducks lineup to compensate for the loss of Sbisa and arguably brings a higher development ceiling than Sbisa has at the moment. 

And where it hurts...Matt Halischuk goes to the Ducks to bolster their depth up front bringing a relentless work ethic and nose for the net.  The Ducks have been hurt by losing Jason Blake earlier this season and also by seeing Matt Beleskey's development stall before putting him on waivers to send to their AHL affiliate in Syracuse last week.  While Halischuk doesn't replace Blake, he could provide a replacement for Beleskey in the Anaheim lineup and provide them with a versatile top-9 winger to move up and down the lineup as needed.


Final thought:


Are Poile and the Predators likely a front-runner to land Bobby Ryan if traded?  No, they aren't.  Could they be if the circumstances lined up right?  Yes, they could be.  That's where I think value lies here in this discussion right now.  The clock is ticking.  We have heard that the Preds will be significantly increasing their payroll this summer and we've heard repeatedly that it won't simply be for raises due to the core group of Pekka Rinne, Shea Weber, and Ryan Suter.  It is vital to any team in the salary cap era to have a pool of NHL ready talent ready to step in on entry-level and second contracts to fill in the holes when you put the bulk of your salary into a core of star players.  I think David Poile has built that pool and as he has said, "the window of opportunity" is open right now.

If the Ducks are open to trading Bobby Ryan inside of the Western Conference, I think we'd be remiss not to try to bring him to Nashville, but ultimately only Bob Murray will decide if the value is there from the Predators should he trade Bobby Ryan.

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Are we as deep on defense as everyone thinks?

I would never say we don’t need a solid top line goal scoring forward on this team. But I am beginning to wonder if we are deep enough at defense once we get beyond the top line pairing of Suter and Weber.

by predsbelonginblue on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

We are deep organizationally but inexperienced. That and Klein and Cube are just not 2nd line guys. I think Franson is the guy that we are missing the most back there. He had that ability to make good passes up ice consistently. Hopefully Blum and Josi get there soon.

…and count me as yet another OTF’er that is really missing SOB.

by Marcus Newman on Nov 29, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

with franson on the press box line until injury, he is not the answer, but i agree about inexperienced.

by predwheels on Nov 29, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m not sure even this would be enough

I’m pretty sure it isn’t. And I’m even more convinced that the Wilson/Ellis/Laakso/picks deal isn’t enough. Even with all the teams looking for proven defensive help right now. He’s Bobby Ryan, for goodness sake. (and probably the cleanest non-Finnish Duck)

I just don’t foresee it happening for the Preds. I don’t foresee Poile being willing to give up the level of defenseman it would take to get that deal done.

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by CAustin on Nov 29, 2011 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

I disagree.

Colin Wilson, Jonathon Blum, Matt Halischuk and a 1st round pick isn’t enough? Sounds pretty generous to me!

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by preds4ever on Nov 29, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

They’re gonna want proven defensive help, not two 2nd or 3rd line forwards (on that team) and a young defenseman who’s had 22 good games and 22 bad ones.

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by CAustin on Nov 29, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

My guess is that the Flyers would get Ryan.

  It’s well known that the Flyers have wanted Ryan ever since he was drafted (he’s from Cherry Hill, NJ) and the Flyers have the assets to make a deal for him happen.

  Parting with Wilson is an iffy thing, IMO. Would like to keep what little offense we have and add to it.

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by Grizzledbear on Nov 29, 2011 11:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Gotta agree on Wilson. I think we gotta hold on to any bit of offensive talent we have on this team. Wilson is just starting to flourish. Shop the defense. After all, Nashville has a reputation for developing great defensemen and goalies.

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by Chas-E on Nov 29, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Getting rid of Wilson now would be a major mistake.

I think the price will be too high on him. I think the Package would be more like a 1st round, a top prospect and an NHL defenseman.

by Marcus Newman on Nov 29, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Definitely agree that giving up Wilson is a bad idea.

Why would we give up one of our few offensive bright spots for Ryan? I’d give em 2 first rounders and Blum.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 29, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Should we start an OccupyWilson movement??

Keep him here.

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by davisca on Nov 29, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

A simple solution

Ryan Suter or Shea Weber for Bobby Ryan. Suter would need to be signed to a contract extension first – they wouldn’t trade for him and then lose him to free agency. Assuming those details can be worked out, seems like a logical option.

by Griz-ATL on Nov 29, 2011 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

A couple of things strike me right off the bat on this. First, that gives Webs/sutes yet another bargaining chip and makes negotiations drag on further. Second, if Anaheim wants to trade to salvage their season, they aren’t likely to wait around for us to sign Suter to a $7.5M contract. Third, once Poile signed Suter, he’d want to start on the Weber deal, which pushes it back yet again. He’d be very reluctant to let go of Suter until he’s convinced that Weber is staying. And if Weber is staying, he’ll be very reluctant to let go of a signed Suter because he’s convinced that that way lies success.

The timing is off and it’s out of character for Poile anyway. Not that it couldn’t happen, but if it did, it would mean things are a lot worse than even some fans here have thought.

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by CAustin on Nov 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

No way they will trade Suter if they can extend him.

by Marcus Newman on Nov 29, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I"m OK with this idea.

 Gotta give a little to get a little.

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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Nov 29, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Would love this. Throw in Trotz and we’ll throw in Getzlaf and Carlyle.

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by JuMowbray on Nov 29, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Many different views and angles

to look at here. First he is only 24 years with three 30 goals seasons. However, look at the line/lines he has played on in Anaheim. I am not convinced that Ryan or any top goal scorer could perform at their top level here in this system. But lets just say Poile can pull it off. It gives us a good, talented, proven forward that is signed for another 3 seasons which is a plus. Also could it be possible that bringing in a Bobby Ryan might convince Weber/Suter to stay long term? Also and this a huge IF but what if Rads return next season, that could be a pairing that could bring out the best in both of guys. Bottom line is we need a consitant goal scorer on this team. How to that will be the question for Poile to answer.

by Preds74 on Nov 29, 2011 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

I don't really want Wilson traded

Trading away one of our three best forwards negates too much of the value in trading Ryan. The first rounder and Halischuk are expendable and I’d rather trade Blum than Josi or Ellis. Also, Sbisa sucks, but I guess he’s young.

I don’t know—I hope they make a big push for him, but our best trade asset is probably Lindback, and I don’t think the Ducks are giving up on Hiller yet.

by Sam Page on Nov 29, 2011 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

I was surprised Lindback wasn’t mentioned in all the trade package scenarios. I think he’s one of our best commodities. Would hate to see him gone, but he would make a great starter.

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by Chas-E on Nov 29, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

i too would dangle linback as a trade possibility. linback, blum, and a 2012 first rounder.

by predwheels on Nov 29, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

As good as Lindback is, I don’t think he is as needed in a proposal as a T4 d-man or T6 centreman. We have Gibson and Bobkov in our system, along with Hiller.

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by JuMowbray on Nov 29, 2011 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Bobby Ryan would make a nice Christmas present, Mr. Poile

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by Creeping Death on Nov 29, 2011 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

Bobby Ryan stats

GP 23 G 7 A 4 p 11 +/- -6

His stats are pretty low (might be because of how poorly the ducks are doing)

But does he really fit our system? Can he create the plays alone?

I think this will end up being more of a 1 for 1 swap. Maybe JVR for Bobby Ryan. Although JVR has 16 points in 20 games

by IG-PRED8 on Nov 29, 2011 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

  The Flyers could offer up any of JVR, Couturier or Schenn in a package for Ryan. Pretty hard for us to beat that. For a team that traded away so many top round picks over the years, the Flyers always seem to have the assets to make big deals.

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by Grizzledbear on Nov 29, 2011 12:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

  The rights to Radulov could be our best trade asset after all is said and done. Rads, Lindback and Ellis for Ryan? Hmmmmmmmm!

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by Grizzledbear on Nov 29, 2011 12:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

rads, linback, blum?

by predwheels on Nov 29, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

translation:

nothing, lindback, blum.

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by flyalder on Nov 29, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

  Which ever young Dman of ours they want is theirs if Ryan is coming back our way. :)

  Just think of Rads in a Ducks jersey………perfect jersey for the traitor to be in! :D

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by Grizzledbear on Nov 29, 2011 1:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Damn that fax machine

Somebody put the Biscuit in the Basket!!!!

by jtp4g on Nov 29, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

We need Weber’s beard. It’s one of our best scorers.

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by CAustin on Nov 29, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we can sign Ndamokong Suh as well....

… to teach Bobby Ryan how to properly stomp an opponent.

by djzielin on Nov 29, 2011 11:54 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

skate stomp

Don’t u have to send Blum to Anaheim given the certain history between these two. STOMP

by Oh my Goc! on Nov 29, 2011 5:53 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Couldn’t you just sign Pronger to do that? At least he can kind of skate…kind of…sometimes…not really…
I just made myself sick talking about Pronger

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by JDesthubert on Nov 29, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

made me a little sick to read it. :)

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by CAustin on Nov 29, 2011 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I do apologize for the nausea. I’m pulling for the Lightning against the Red Wings!!!! I also pull for Nashville over Detroit every time.

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by JDesthubert on Nov 29, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

We’ll take all the cheering we can get. :)

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by CAustin on Nov 29, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh, screw Chris Pronger.

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by davisca on Nov 29, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Ducks need defensive help……it could,come in the form of d men and or a defensively sound, pass first forward.

That would be my trade offer.

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by Predator Don on Nov 29, 2011 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

There is nothing that would make me trade Wilson for Ryan

Wilson is a young, highly talented player that could be just as good as Ryan one day. More than that, he’s a playmaker and Ryan is more of a shooter- why not put them on the the same line? Either way its going to take a defenseman that can help now, a forward ready now, and another good prospect or pick. You can argue that this move would be a first round pick, so Poile would pull the trigger in that regard I believe. I’m still not sold on Ellis- the guy is just sooo small and when you score 100pts in junior its bc you are highly active and all over the backdoor, not bc you can sit on the point and score score score. I.e. he’s not a complete defenseman. He can score points now, though, so I put him him in any proposal. Erat or Kostitsyn would be on my list too. SK has talent but hasn’t shown a willingness to inflict his will in the regular season, let alone the postseason. Erat has injury history which is problematic for a budget team and sends more salary the other way. Shake it down and I’d send Ellis, SK/Erat, Klein, 2nd rounder. Thats about an even to beneficial salary change for us while retaining our best young talent.

by Predfan19 on Nov 29, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

No way this gets done at all.

I definitely agree here with not dumping Wilson, or any other 3-set of players/picks. I think this deal is a dud. The Ducks would NOT trade with the Preds. We’re the enemy – I’m not going to dump a bunch of good players for Bobby Ryan.

If we’re gonna go nuts, let’s trade for Iggy while in Calgary! Calgary wants to rebuild, we need a scorer who seems to want to be the #1 guy – no doubt Iggy would be that for the Preds.

by DonBorvio on Nov 29, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

I had been talking about what it would take to get him, but you’re right. We’d never deal with Anaheim

by Predfan19 on Nov 29, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Wilson lovers

Here’s the deal. In professional hockey, if you’re not scoring early and often (i.e by age 22 or 23) you’re probably not going to magically develop into a goal scorer. Sorry people, that’s just the facts. Wilson didn’t tear it up at BU, or Milwaukee, or Nashville. He’s on the David Legwand path to success.

If you can get Bobby Ryan for Wilson, (insert prospect), and a 1st rounder… you make the effing trade.

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by Shawn Kehoe on Nov 29, 2011 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

wilson just turned 22 last month

by your definition of “early” he still has a year to “tear it up”. Also, keep in mind that 3 of the top 4 point scorers last year were still producing at about .5-.6 points per game at age 24.

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by flyalder on Nov 29, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

therein lies the problem. we need a proven goal scorer today. we can trade an uncertain commodity (Wilson) for a proven one (Ryan) and compete for a Stanley Cup.

I think Wilson projects to be a mid 20s goal scorer in the future, but if you’re looking to win big this year you make that trade.

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by Shawn Kehoe on Nov 29, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

are we looking to win big this year?

That is the most important question in this scenario. I would say we are still in building mode. We have the core of the big 3 developed, but now we need both the offense and the support on the blue line. If we wait till next year to make the push then players such as: Wilson, Smith, Geoffrion, Halischuck, Blum, Josi all have more experience and are more effective at their jobs. Because this year we need a 2nd line Dman and an improvement on the defensive forward lines. But if we sacrifice the future to acquire Bobby Ryan then we need to go out and get a 2nd line Dman the next day because it becomes this year or bust.

p.s. I know Ryan is signed beyond this year, but if we absorb his contract without releasing any money then the team may need to increase revenue immediately through increased playoff ticket sales in order to pay the big 3+Ryan.

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by flyalder on Nov 29, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

This is how organizations live in perpetual mediocrity.

Considering that we have no idea whether we’ll even be able to keep Suter past this season, this whole idea of always waiting for the next year to make the big push pulls the rug right out from under itself. The window is now when you have the certainty of having the big 3 with the payroll flexibilty to add a key component like Ryan.

A 2nd pairing Dman, while I’m sure we all wouldn’t mind bringing one aboard, isn’t what will prohibit us from being a Cup contender. Not being able to score enough goals will be.

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by Grizzledbear on Nov 29, 2011 7:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

but making an all out push ahead of time is the fastest way to force a franchise back to the lower rung of teams. We are 23 games into the season, there is plenty of time to figure out what will happen the Weber and Suter, but forcing yourself into a situation where you can no longer afford one isn’t good for the team long term. Especially when you could have the chance of keeping both and developing cheaper offense.

and how porous our D corps is after weber and suter will definitely knock us out of the playoffs early. Playoffs is about the best overall team, being easy to score against 30 mins a game won’t get any team very far in the playoffs.

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by flyalder on Nov 29, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Developing cheaper offense? How long do you want to follow that failed path? We’ve tried it and it doesn’t work. And the big 3 are all in their prime right now, two of them at a modest price for this season. If this year isn’t the time to “go for it”, then there never will be. We’ve got lots of young Dmen with good potential, not so much on offense. If a guy like Ryan can be brought in now, it’s hard to see when there will ever be a better time for this organization.

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by Grizzledbear on Nov 29, 2011 7:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

the better time

It’s when the rest of the team is in place. when we have more solid lower forward and defense lines. We may have 3 impressive players this year, but the rest of the team is sub-par in every area. Mainly we lack a group of guys who can play the shutdown role successfully every night to leave the productive players free to produce. When the rest of the team is in place, that is best time to bring in the offensive stars to boost the team. But right now we are further than 1 star forward from the cup. we are half a team from the cup.
So i say continue the Course:
-let Smith and Wilson develop and see if they become 1st or second liners
-Let Geoffrion, Spaling, and Halischuck develop into the next Smithson-Legwand-Ward shutdown line
-Let Blum and Josi develop into the puck moving second line.
-then bring in the players needed to fill the far fewer holes in the lineup.

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by flyalder on Nov 29, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

But you yet again avoid the reality that our chances of re-signing Suter and Weber are no better than 50/50. Your whole theory goes poof if we lose either one of them. And you also are assuming that these young players of ours will turn into something more than they are now (this is the failed plan the Canes followed).

But what I find more puzzling is that you would bring in a 4M, 2nd pairing Dman but not Bobby Ryan for about the same price. That’s just bizarre.

This season is as good as it’s gonna get for us to make a run at the Cup.

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by Grizzledbear on Nov 29, 2011 10:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

the odds of signing them are better without the 5M for bobby ryan on the books. It may go poof if both walk away from the team, but at least it doesn’t start out that way. I only Assume that defensive players get better with experience, tends to hold up with my personal observations.

A rental 4M dman solves the preds biggest issue and doesn’t add to next years budget. I hate the preds being weak on the blue line, not the team I became a fan of years ago.

If this season is as good as it gets for the franchise then that is depressing. But then again, I believe a complete team is needed to win the cup, not 4 superstars.

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by flyalder on Nov 30, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

The odds of keeping Suter and Weber increase, not decrease, with adding a top tier forward like Ryan. Trying to sell those two on the model you’re presenting here is a sure way to have them wave bye bye. A player like Ryan at his salary would be a gift to an organization like ours.

Ryan would make us as complete a team as we could hope for if he can be had for the prospects/picks/players we could afford giving up.

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by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 1:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

you are assuming a move like that would help keep the 2 Dmen here, but it still comes down to if the team has the money to pay all 3.

No, he wouldn’t. We would have to give up too much of our current team to acquire him, and likely wouldn’t add anything to our depth. He would likely cost at least 1, probably more, or our current roster players, and a prospect. What we would likely have to sacrifice to acquire Ryan would create more holes in our roster, and only increase 1 position.

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by flyalder on Nov 30, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I have to agree with Grizzledbear all the way. Everyone is tired of waiting until next year to make that big move to improve the offense. That’s a sure fire way to get Weber AND Suter to hightail it out of here because that shows that the ownership is NOT committed to winning like they have been talking about. Getting Bobby Ryan would be the absolute best thing for this franchise both now and going forward. Sure, the Preds are going to have to give up a lot for him, but he is exactly what we need. If trading for Ryan doesn’t show Weber and Suter just how committed the team and ownership are to winning the cup, then nothing will.

You have to remember that Bobby Ryan was the 2nd overall pick in the 2005 draft only behind Sidney Crosby. The kid is an absolute goal-scorer and well over a Point-per-game player. A 1st round pick, a T4 Dman, a T6 forward, and maybe another draft pick/prospect is a hell of a lot to give up for just 1 player, but when will the Preds ever get another chance to get a really young proven 2nd overall pick goal scoring machine? I think the answer to that question is…probably never.

I also have to disagree with you on the idea that getting another dman is a more pressing issue than making the push to get Bobby Ryan. Teams live and die in the playoffs based on (A)how their goalies play and (B) power play scoring, especially the Preds. In the playoffs last year, we made it further than we ever have largely in part to our Power Play efficiency. We were on fire against Anaheim and we won the series even without Pekka playing amazing as always. Then when we faced Vancouver we went right back to sucking on the power play and even though Pekka played out of his mind that whole series, we still lost because we didnt score enough. Sure, outside of Weber and Suter our defense is shaky, but Pekka can make up for that 9/10 games. What Pekka cant make up for is the teams tremendous lack of scoring, and that is why we NEED Bobby Ryan.

by TheEraser35 on Nov 30, 2011 4:27 AM EST up reply actions  

+1 million!!!

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by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 7:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

so your variation changes by .01 which means a higher beginning skill set is > your age because you’re not getting that much better. which proves my point.

the last thing I propose this team needs is another “playmaker”.

and wasn’t Colin Wilson originally drafted as a center? getting permanently moved to wing tells me his hockey IQ isn’t as a playmaker, but rather a goal scorer. Craig Smith, now that kid is a playmaker.

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by Shawn Kehoe on Nov 29, 2011 5:47 PM EST reply actions  

reply fail

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by Shawn Kehoe on Nov 29, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, can’t trade Willy, and they would not take Rads. They only reason they are trading is to get some immediate benefit. Rad’s rights and bottle of vodka would net them a bottle of vodka.

by NashvilLion on Nov 29, 2011 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

Unless they’ve reached the conclusion that they aren’t going to be a contender this season, in which case they may be content with getting (if Rads made a commitment to them to return to the NHL next season) a big time player for next season in addition to the prospects and picks mentioned here.

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by Grizzledbear on Nov 29, 2011 7:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

since i haven’t heard of any advancements in the field of pig flight i don’t suspect that Radulov will be back in the NHL anytime soon.

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by flyalder on Nov 29, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering that the Radulov camp probably hasn’t or will be in communication with you about the situation, you’ll be in the same state of not knowing his intentions as the rest of us.

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by Grizzledbear on Nov 29, 2011 7:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

agreed it's a guess on eveyone's part

i just expect pigs to fly before Radulov plays another NHL game.

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by flyalder on Nov 29, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

As far as ever playing for us again, I agree.

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Nov 29, 2011 7:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i just don’t see why he would return to the NHL at all. He would have to give up his rock star lifestyle to come here and have to actually work to be a star. He seems to enjoy being the big fish in the little pond.

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by flyalder on Nov 29, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

He certainly does appear to like being a big fish in a smaller KHL pond, but the chance to play in a big NHL market may be what gets him back over here.

Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!

by Grizzledbear on Nov 29, 2011 8:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It's been reported that:

The asking price for Bobby Ryan is:

Top 6 Centre
Top 4 Defenseman
Prospect
1st Round Pick

So yeah, the offer is legit, but we don’t part with Luca Sbisa in any trade. I think the only thing that makes Bob Murray budge is an offer including either the Beard or Gary’s Nephew, so I’m not entirely sure how much Poile would want to do that.

And there will always be better offers from 28 other teams, so the proposal above is good, but there will likely be better on the table.

P.S. Don’t you guys hate Bobby? I would think he would be the perfect fit in Nashville, btw. Guy loves his guitar, country and blues, good fans, and hot girls.

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by JuMowbray on Nov 29, 2011 9:37 PM EST reply actions  

I take it the 20 $10 silent auction "mystery autograph pucks" (all Klein) aren’t doing it for you?

Poile’s not likely to let Suter or Weber go until the last possible second, if at all, long after Ryan’s status for this season is likely to be settled, either through a deal or through y’all getting back to where you ought to be and needing him.

We don’t hate Ryan nearly as much as certain others.

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by CAustin on Nov 29, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I don’t get the joke in the first part of your answer.

But in regards to your second part, that’s too entirely true, which is probably why the Preds and Ducks aren’t compatible in the first place. The amount of stuff the Ducks need are only going to be provided by a team that really wants Ryan, not by a team that isn’t willing to give up quality for quality, instead of a “sum of all parts” approach.

And yeah, I know, I think the list goes:
Perry

All the other Ducks.

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by JuMowbray on Nov 29, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Up above Sam made a list of our assets. You can choose what you like from the list. May I suggest Antti Philstrom?

R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
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by CAustin on Nov 29, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Although I like really good skaters, I think I’ll pass.

"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds

by JuMowbray on Nov 30, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Not that I’d think it would happen, or really care, but here’s my offer:

Kostitsyn + Klein + 1st.

by DonBorvio on Nov 30, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

You want a defensive defenseman, Klein can definitely do the job.

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by davisca on Nov 30, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

If we could dump Klein as a major asset (T4 Dman) in ANY trade, I may cry from sheer joy.

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by Shawn Kehoe on Nov 30, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup. We’d lose a little when he’d go, but we’d gain a hell of a lot more!

Hands go uuppp..... AND THEY STAY THERE!
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by davisca on Nov 30, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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