Wednesday's notes: What should the Predators go shopping for?
Last night during the pre-game radio show, Willy Daunic opened the floor to discussion on the Bobby Ryan trade speculation which has gripped the hockey world over the last two days. While much of the focus has been on "what would you give up for such a player", the question I was interested in was whether the Nashville Predators should even pursue a star-quality forward in the first place.
Personally, given the model the team wants to build upon (two stud D and a franchise goalie), I see the more prudent path to success being the addition of greater depth among the forward ranks, not loading up the top end with more talent. Put simply, I'd rather see 3 lines featuring legitimate two-way players backed up by a checking/PK group (say, Spaling-Smithson-Tootoo/Halischuk) than acquiring a star forward, especially if such a trade cost one of the Nashville's current top wingers as part of the deal.
One could also make the argument (as Willy did) that the Predators need a solid 2nd-pair defenseman, as the current situation has Shea Weber & Ryan Suter putting up stellar results, while the rest of the group scrambles. I know it's premature, but I'll be very interested to see over the coming weeks if Roman Josi helps shore things up there.
Where do you think the most urgent need lies with the Nashville Predators this season? Sound off in the comments below after reading your morning hockey notes...
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Refining the Team
Here is my assessment of the team and their needs in order of importance:
1) A legitimate 2nd Line D man. Not sure if Josi is legit yet, but if he is, then he would be the right player to go along with the new D man that we would acquire. Personally, I think Klien should be on the 3rd line and then Blum, Hillen, and Bouillon fighting for the #6 D. Blum could grow into a better D man, but I haven’t seen it yet.
2) Once we have the D secured (which would hopefully take some of the pressure off of Pekka and reduce the SOG), then we shore up our forwards. I think we need a stud Forward who can play both center and wing. Here is why. When everyone is healthy, they you put him at LW with Fisher and either Horny/Erat. That moves Wilson down to the 2nd line LW with Smith and the other of Horny/Erat. Now you have 2 solid scoring lines. Leggy moves to center the 3rd line with Koistitsyn and either Tootoo/Geoffrion/Halischuk.Which leaves us with a shut down grinding 4th lne of Spaling, Smithson and either Tootoo or Halischuk.
The above work when everyone is healthy..Our problem is when we aren’t healthy. Especially if one of our Centers go down. Having a versitile stud LW/C that would switch lines/position as needed would give us depth we severly lack at forward.
3) If we manage to shore up our D (1) and our forwards (2), then we start shaping the depth of the future…We ask ourselves, are Bouillon, Blum, Klein, Hillen, Spaling, Halischuk, Geoffrion, and Koistitsyn going to be part of our team going forward? If the answer is no, then we look at options to trade them either for draft picks/prospects/proven NHL players. We don’t want to wait until the off season next year to find out we can’t trade them or can’t resign them and end up losing them for nothing. I wouldn’t trade all of them, but do believe that 1 or 2 of them being traded at the trade deadline would not adversely affect the chemistry of the team.
by Dgutzman on Nov 30, 2011 11:08 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
You can't refine this team until you know the status of both Weber and Suter...
If one or both leave after/during this season, it will drastically change the needs of this team. You have very good defensemen in Blum, Klein and Hillen. All of them may stay if one or more of Suter/Weber leave. Bouillon, because of age and injury history is definitely not in the Preds’ future after this season IMO.
that Willy Daunic seems like a smart guy
A stronger D corps is the easiest way to shore up the teams Shots for/against problem.
Keys to the game: GA<GF
Reducing shots against is wonderful, but as last nights game demonstrated, it doesn’t put pucks in the other teams net. Keeping the puck in the other teams Dzone more often helps take care of both needs.
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
the blue line is influential to both shots against and shots for. A D corps that can pinch properly to keep the puck in the Ozone, get the puck from the Dzone to the Ozone, and generally be a better part of the cycle in the Ozone will drive the shots for as well as against.
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This is why I used last nights game as an example: the Flames didn’t press us that much offensively, yet we still generated little to no offense. The type of Dman you would need to effect our offensive output of the team isn’t going to come from a #3 or #4 type Dman and it isn’t going to come cheap.
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
a quality #3 will help
outside of Suter and Weber there isn’t much in the way of Dmen who can help offensively. Until Blum and Josi learn how to jump into the cycle effectively or get the puck to an open man in the Ozone, we need a #3 that can fill that void. Dmen are for more than defense, regardless of how much offensive pressure Calgary brought our lower line Dmen were still useless offensively, the best they ever did was direct the puck on net, but non of them created plays or cause much disruption in the offense zone. Even with a top line forward, which would still be more expensive than the Dman, the preds will still be limited to a 3 man cycle among the forwards, which isn’t as effective as having a Dman come low into the zone to help pull the other teams D out of position.
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I’d like to be more charitable here, but this is just baloney. Thinking that a 2nd pairing Dman will make anymore than a micro improvement to the offensive side of our game is wishful thinking. Quite frankly, I think we could be 30th in GPG and you would still be making this same argument.
I like how someone put it in another blog awhile back, “it’s the low hanging fruit of today’s sports knowledge”. It’s the equivelant of the baseball fan who is worried about who the #4 starting pitcher will be when his team can’t get any runs across the plate.
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 6:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can think of lots of 2nd-pair D-men who could help boost the Preds’ attack, particularly as PP specialists. Heck, I’m still bummed Grebeshkov’s gone.
Please refrain from telling people their proposals are “just baloney”, it doesn’t serve to do anything else other than escalate confrontation.
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Sorry, I just have issues with someone dropping the same line on me that’s been answered over and over before.
As for Grebeshkov, trading that 2nd round pick for him in a deep draft is one of those moves that haunts teams like ours.
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 7:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can think of lots of 2nd-pair D-men who could help boost the Preds’ attack, particularly as PP specialists.
Great, now do something about all those forwards who will not shoot the puck.
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Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
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by shoot the puck on Dec 1, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I care about more than the offensive side of the game, as there is still defense in hockey. So far this season the preds have been horrendous is both Offense and Defense. A better blue line will go a long way toward stabilizing both sides of the puck.
And don’t make assumptions about me, it’s just rude.
how is the importance of defense lower hanging fruit than “Big money superstars= stanley cups”?
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No one said “big money super stars=Stanley Cups”. That you have to twist the argument like that speaks volumns.
There’s no point in me debating this topic with you any longer, I’ve seen the approach that you’re advoctating here and know where it gets organizations.
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 7:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There is a simpler solution to the Shots for/against problem…shoot the d*mn puck. And while you’re at it, get some traffic in front of the goaltender. Yes, I’m talking to you SK74, Erat, Fisher, Legwand.
Just sitting here shaking my head.
The defense uber alles mentality runs deep at OtF. :/
When we talk of a “star” forward, what is really of the most importance is “how much does this guy make”. A Bobby Ryan at 4.5M is steal if you can get him. Someone in the 6M+ range means you have to make a decision between that player and losing one of our big two Dmen (a discussion we’ve had at length many times before).
Put simply, there’s a far greater chance of Dman pairings will come together than will our offensive lines. Because of that, at the very least, a top 6 forward should be our first priority.
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 11:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Ryan's at $5.5M for the next three seasons
But it’s not his contract that worries me, it’s giving up a Top 6 forward in return. I would rather get a pair of $2-3 million guys who can score to play alongside Craig Smith and create a dangerous 3rd line, while pushing the Spaling/Smithson/Tootoo/Halischuk types to the 4th.
That isn’t about defense, it’s about creating a more robust forward group that would probably score more consistently and pose matchup problems for opponents.
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+1
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 1:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I should have checked CapGeek for myself, someone else had him listed at 4.5M. Still, 5.5 isn’t bad for a player like him.
I wouldn’t want to give up a guy like Wilson for him either, would only do it if it were for some of the other proposals made here for him.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 1:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Correction.....
According to CapGeek, Ryan is a 5.1M cap hit. I’ll split the difference with you, Dirk. ;)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is that one of the reasons why you think Rene Bourque would be a player to target? I believe you’ve mentioned that more than once.
Yup
He’s the 2nd-tier type of guy who could add some punch at a reasonable price. I’d certainly rather see a guy like him on the 3rd line than a Spaling or Tootoo. I’m not trying to knock those guys, but the Preds need more offensive punch there.
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Craig Smith
I think we have alot of talent here already. I for one am very upset about Craig Smith being dropped to the third line. He was producing and I think that he took a huge hit by being knocked down a line because Leggy returned. Frankly, that is when the scoring stopped. Leggy in my opinion should be the third line Center with little to no PP time. Again in my opinion he is overpaid and a very streaky player. His return has killed the Preds youth. Geo went to healthy scratch and C Smith went to a third line role. Dont try to fix something that is not broken. It turns the team from a 5 game winning streak to a five game losing streak. Do not get me wrong, Legwand has values. But it is not as a 2nd line Center. Especially when we have Smith.
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by SinBinPred on Dec 1, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What I keep thinking, though, is that a “star” forward has to be a pretty specific type of player to be able to succeed here. He has to be defensive, gritty, and not a true finesse player, or he won’t get the minutes. He has to be very versatile, able to produce in a lot of situations on any line. He has to be disciplined. He has to do the “little things.” He has to “see the ice well” and be aggressive. And he has to be very tough and able to stay healthy. Oh, and he has to be a “character” guy.
Can Bobby Ryan be that kind of player? Or should we just try to clone Paul Kariya?
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Just get Parise already! ;)
But yes, I think Ryan could be the right guy for us.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 1:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Iginla
I think he’d fit in Nashville perfectly. Yes, he’s got some age on him, but he still puts up numbers constantly, and maybe he’s one of those Selanne types will play into his 40’s. He would have to give up the number 12, though. Actually, I think the only true caveat would be how he he’d handle not being the “C” anymore.
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Iginla wants to win with Flames
Looks like Jarome is answering the rumors already.
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Selanne can skate
Iginla is slowing down and I dont think he can change his game like he would need to, to really extend his career
We need OFFENSE, OFFENSE, OFFENSE...
in that order. Yes our D has holes but it’s All World compared to most teams, especially since Suter/Weber play half the game.
I love the character of our forwards but they all play too similarly, too much dump & chase, very little creativity in creating the time and space. 2 power plays last night with no shots? C’mon!
Preds strategy is simple: Score 3 goals a night, Peks is usually good to let 2 or less and we win. Reality is we’ve got to get a Top 6 guy to get us to the 3 goal plateau nightly. If not, we’re a middle of the pack and not a serious contender.
Wait for Colorado to tank
then get OBI back
by Sam Page on Nov 30, 2011 12:30 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
We need the guys we have to do their jobs; They are capable of scoring, as last season showed. I don’t know what their problem is, but they need to get over it and play hockey.
"I am you, you are me, and we are all together" Beatles
As last season showed?
We were 23rd in GPG last season. That’s not so good.
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Couldn't agree more on the defense.
Most of our D (besides Shea and Ryan) would be considered 3rd line d-men or even 6th on other teams. Allowing almost 30 or more shots per game is not except able. We need to sure up our defense first before our offense. Like they say defense wins championships and Klein does not.
Patience is a virtue........ in my case could you hurry up!!
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*acceptable
Patience is a virtue........ in my case could you hurry up!!
by Clint Burkhalter on Nov 30, 2011 1:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
And pitching wins baseball championships……….yet my Phillies got booted in the first round this past fall. (Hint, they couldn’t score enough runs even with good pitching).
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 6:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
or we could be realistic
All this trade talk is entertaining, but Poile isn’t going to do anything until the last month before the trade deadline. He said all summer that the team will be better in the 2nd half than the first, and so far the preds are on par with every other season. The real question becomes which players can step it up?
What’s needed:
-Sk74, Wilson, and Hornqvist are all at less than .6 points/game right now. of the 3, Wilson is the only one showing improvement this year as opposed to last year. But at least 1, hopefully 2, need to step up their game and get to at least a .6 rate, hopefully to .7. (Fisher is very close to this grouping. In Fact, if he doesn’t get a point in the Vancouver game he will also be below .6)
-Klien is tied for 3rd this year among Dman scoring, which is just sad. Blum and Hillen are 2 players expected to help offensively from the Blue line. Both were in the .3 points per game range last year, and are hovering at about half that rate so far this year. One of them needs to step it up to become the #3 Dman. I would put the pressure on Hillen since he is the more experienced of the 2. (i excused Josi from this because he is a rookie and has played 2 games thus far, not enough to judge on)
bottom line:
WIlson, Sk74, HornQ, Blum, Hillen, and soon Fisher Need to step up their production if the team is to be successful. If all 6 can get to the “adequate” level, the team will be in great shape.
Keys to the game: GA<GF
I agree about Poile not moving until after the New Year, at the earliest. By the time he’s ready to move, Bobby Ryan will be settled nicely into his new condo in Boston.
And if this team could be consistent (on both defense and offense) and get back to what they did between the October slump and the November slump, they could look around the market and be more judicious instead of buying from a position of desperation. That forgetting to show up thing they started developing last season has become a really, really bad habit. Let’s go for #NoDecemberSlump !
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If Poile says something (Bergfors will be great, Spaling will be a top 6 forward, I could go on and on), well gosh darnit, I believe it!!!
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 6:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
all im saying
poile doesn’t have a history of mid november-december trades. and will most like wait till the 2nd half before pushing the panic button.
But please, keep mocking everything i post.
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Smith Wilson and Hornqvist
We have the future, Trotz just wont play them together except on the Power play. Now if the line combo is good enough for the PP why the heck isn’t it good enough to be on the Ice together all the time. We have 3 points in 6 games since Legwands return (Nov 19th) to the 1st line and 8 points in the 6 games he missed…think about it. .
coincidence
the Smight-wilson-Hornq line was only effective in the anaheim game. After that they didn’t get another point until legwand came back. Wilson was the only one to get a point after the anaheim game, but when he was one the ice with Erat, not smith and Hornq.
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flyalder
Thats not true. If I recall correctly, the Smith/Horny/Wilson line was producing very well before Leggy’s return. Geo was a healthy scratch, Smith was dropped to another line, and for some reason Legwand was playing the point on the PP. I watched him skate right into the lane in our 6 point romping and not even shoot the puck. Sorry, but I DISAGREE strongly that Legwand should be on that second line ahead of Smith.
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they weren’t producing well. the production of all 3 occurred as in my other post. Against any team with a defense better than anaheim the line was useless, just fun to watch, and they have continued to be ineffective when put together since then. What happened is that the Fisher line carried the offense during legwand’s injury, then went cold when legwand returned. As the only forward line that was not effected by injury/return, that is inexcusable, but i digress.
If anyone should be banished from the top 6 right now it is Hornqvist, his current pointless streak, his second one this season, is bringing down the production of other players. Replace HornQ with smith and you at least have 3 players on the line producing at at least .5 points per game.
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EXACTLY!!!
Finally someone sees it besides me! Leggy’s return muffed it all up!
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im not sure i agree
I say we trade prospects/picks for a top 3 fwd, then that way we can shift our a top line that probably isn’t top line material down to the 2nd line, which creates a trickle-down effect for the other lines. We are missing top line offensive talent, a real threat on the pp. even our system should have room for a go-to offensive guy who will be a little more selfish with the puck. Not necessarily Bobby Ryan, but someone with similar strengths.
by JBoogie22 on Nov 30, 2011 2:36 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Finally, someone who gets the big picture of how a good forward makes all the lines better! :)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 6:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know this…When the Honey Badger, Horny, Wilson line was together, we won…… Now that they are apart, we lose.
Roman Josi looks to be someone who has the ability to play 2nd line. I’m not sure we need defensive help, we need to shoot the puck to take some pressure off the defense…..maybe then we won’t need the defense to be perfect, just efficient.
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Prospects
Was kind of hoping Tyler Beck would develop into a top 6 guy. He supposedly almost made the team out of training camp LAST year. Was never a threat to make the team this year. His development seems to be coming along slowly. Hopefully he’s still on track to make it here soon as a top-6 forward. Anyone have thoughts on how close he is?
Or other guys like Bourque or anyone else in MWE?
I’m curious to see what Brian might have to say but Beck is not a very strong skater. He can shoot for sure but his feet look lazy to me.
Puustinen and Latta are the guys outside of Thang and Mueller that I think are standing out so far…
by Marcus Newman on Nov 30, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
On the Offensive side of things
It seems Chris Mueller is showing the most offensive production 17 points, Followed by Juuso Puustinen at 15 and Lata at 14. Beck only has 7 points, not sure how much ice time he is getting.
List of acquirables
Thanks to Puck Daddy for putting up a list of players teams may be willing to part with to grab Bobby Ryan!
Maybe Nashvegas has something enticing for them instead of Bobby? Hellooo Ryan Ellis. :)
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1. Bobby Ryan for Shea Weber? Totally nuts. For one thing, the Preds would only trade Weber if they feel Weber wants to test the free agent market, but if Weber wants to test the market, there is no value in this trade for the Ducks. It’s a catch-22. More importantly, though, Shea Weber’s value far exceeds Ryan’s. Weber is a top 3 defenseman in this league and those are a lot harder to come by than 30 goal scorers (last year there were about 30 guys with 30+ goals, as well as several others like Lecavalier and Semin who fell short only due to injuries).
4. Ryan Ellis, center Colin Wilson, defenseman Teemu Laakso and a first round pick for Ryan. Again, I wouldn’t pay that much. Ellis will be QBing this team’s power play for the next decade. Wilson is already on pace for a 40+ point season should develop into a 1st or 2nd line C that is also solid in his own zone. Add in the fact that the Preds don’t like to spend and it becomes even more silly.
maybe i undervalued Wilson in my previous arguments. This person seems to think the kitchen sink is a bit excessive for Ryan.
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sweetening the pot for option 4
and if you act now…we’ll throw in one Niclas Bergfors absolutely free!
That’s right, you get 1 blossoming center, 2 developing defensemen, a future pick, plus 1 Swedish meatball at no extra charge! Call now while supplies last!
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Ryan for Ryan
Could Poile call up the Duck’s GM and offer a Ryan for Ryan trade, and then send him Thang?
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What about a guy like Ryan Malone?
Malone is a dependable 25 goal type player with size and physical presence, plus he’s not going to command a premium as high as a Bobby Ryan. He’s got a $4.5m cap hit but he actually makes $3m-2.5-2.5 over the next 3 seasons, making the tail end of his front loaded contract more palatable. This makes him a piece of the puzzle moving forward, not just this year. I owuld pay $3mil to a 25 goal scorer for sure. That being said, a solid 2nd pair defenseman is more of an immediate need. Klein and Blum have regressed in their development, and Blum isn’t going to be a shutdown player at 180lbs soaking wet. This is the exact reason I thought it was unwise to part with OBrien. He signed for $1mil for 1yr with Colorado- that’s not alot of money to bring a style of play only Weber provides. Makes me think he wasn’t the coaches’ favorite player behind the scenes. He certainly seemed undisciplined at times
Malone was on my wishlist as he hit FA with the Penguins. I’d still buy him, but with 3 years left on his contract at those #‘s you just listed I’m highly doubtful Tampa would be willing to move him.
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Bugsy’s a key player in Tampa. The team does NOT play well when he’s out (and he does have a pretty bad injury history.) Not only does he play a physical game that’s unlike any other player on the team, he’s a real leader despite not wearing a letter. Yzerman would be smart to keep him around. He also has a NMC.
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Alot of the guys we’d be interested in have a NTC, and certainly will be impact players for their respective teams. The fact that Malone is an integral part of the Lightning with good leadership qualities only makes me want him more. I’d rather have a good character guy like that than a whiny little Russian like Semin. Bobby Ryan doesn’t seem like the guy we need right now at the price we’d have to pay. I’d rather pony up for a significant free agent during the summer than trade alot now. We have more than one need, which makes me think patience is the important element. If Ryan was the player to make us win a cup this year I’d vote yes every time, but I don’t think he is
might i propose a different "Ryan"
This guy has put up 3 consecutive 50+ point seasons, is relatively cheap, still in his twenties, but has years of experience, and I think would fit well with this franchise. Yes, I’m talking about Ryan Clowe of the San Jose Sharks, He’s under contract for about 3.5 mill, so he wouldn’t break the bank.
And interestingly enough, on the 1st Quarter one morning, Barry Trotz mentioned him specifically as a guy who plays “Predator Hockey”.
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Can’t really see any reason why the Sharks would trade him unless they were getting something huge back in return.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 30, 2011 7:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would also love to have Ryane Clowe. I asked some Sharks fans about this after the Trotz interview Dirk mentioned and they all basically said he was untouchable. I doubt that happens.
is Clowe really that good or is he good cause of his line mates?
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by Creeping Death on Dec 1, 2011 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
Two things just dawned on me.
1. We have the youngest team in the NHL. Why wouldn’t we trade Wilson, “various prospect”, and a 1st rounder? There’s hardly any drop off! We just bring up a rookie to take the place of… a sophomore? Yes, a sophomore. Wilson has played less than 164 NHL games. Ryan brings some much needed veteran experience to this team and he’s STILL only 25.
2. Carlyle just signed a 3 year extension in Anaheim. Aaron Ward called him out in the media. Everyone but the GM hates him. Bob Murry isn’t going to fire him and make himself look bad. Unless Anaheim miraculously fixes itself, Ryan will probably get moved. Why shouldn’t we get him? We almost landed Kessel, look how he’s doing now.
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