Monday afternoon notes: Hockey world still buzzing over Rinne, Payne & Hitchcock
You can tell that hockey writers are getting back to work this morning, as a host of reaction is still coming in to Thursday's mega-contract for Pekka Rinne, and the sudden head coaching change last night in St. Louis. To start things off this afternoon, however, we've got an entertaining walk through history with a familiar friend to Predators fans...
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Nashville Predators News
Random Cities: Pete Weber - Puck The Media
Your read of the day comes from Steve Lepore, who conducted a wide-ranging interview with Pete Weber that I'm sure you'll enjoy.
Chatting with Korn: Rinne & Lindback - The Goalie Guild
An outstanding interview here with the man who helped Pekka Rinne earn that $49 million contract, and what it means for the rest of the goalies in the Predators organization.
Hockey Prospectus | In The Crease: Pekka Rinne
Another argument outlining the overpay on Pekka's contract. I will say that the inclusion of scorer bias in this article is a missed opportunity, as Philip doesn't get into how large a role that might play in the overall numbers (I don't suspect it's significant).
The Hockey News: Ken Campbell's Column: What the Rinne contract means for Nashville
Strange days indeed when I find myself agreeing with Ken Campbell: "Will the Predators ultimately become a team that spends to the upper limit of the salary cap? Regardless of what Poile says, that one is right up there with the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny."
Puck Battles: The Pekka Rinne Deal is a Rare David Poile Mistake - Arctic Ice Hockey
This perhaps sums it up best: "With the deal signed as is, the best the Predators can hope for is that Rinne lives up to the value of the deal, but there's almost no way he can surpass it. Rinne is 29 years old and could realistically play out all 7 years of the deal, but if his performance drops at any point, the Preds are on the hook for a cap hit that is incredibly difficult to justify."
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Buddy looks forward to tonight's Sharks/Kings game, which is fortunate for the Preds because they're already in L.A. waiting for tomorrow night's tilt.
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Paul welcomes a rock legend to this week's SlapShot Radio...
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It sounds like Zack Stortini is fitting in well with the Ads.
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"Motor City Smitty"... I like that.
Around the Wide Wide World of Hockey
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Elliotte Friedman's latest include a note about one of Pekka Rinne's biggest fans.
Hitchcock determined to build Blues into winner - NHL.com
Ken Hitchcock met with the media to discuss his plans for the Blues, including this: "I'm a big believer in a certain style of game. There are certain teams in the West that play that similar style and I believe and trust it. I've seen it in place, not only in the National Hockey League but in the Olympics, and I've seen how it works. I want to put that program in place."
Hitchcock had ‘zero discussion’ about Columbus coaching return - Puck Daddy
The new St. Louis coach dispels the notion that he was close to returning to the Columbus bench.
Things I Don’t Like: Davis Payne Fired, Hitchcock Hired in St. Louis - Backhand Shelf
Did Davis Payne get the shaft?
Sid won't rule out Friday return, but nothing imminent - NHL.com
Sidney Crosby's return appears to be getting closer, but we're not quite there yet.
BoC Gameday: Dark City - Battle of California
If you're up late, the game to watch tonight has Los Angeles (which hosts the Preds tomorrow) at San Jose.
Breaking News: Wojtek Wolski Out 4 Weeks For Sports Hernia - Blueshirt Banter
The Rangers lose Wolski just as he was about to pass the 400 career games-played mark.
Tim Connolly injured again - The Globe and Mail
This is NOT doing my fantasy team any favors.
Matt Duchene, Michael Grabner, Marion Gaborik, Brad Richards improving after line shakeups - ESPN
Assorted ups and downs to help inform your fantasy hockey management.
Driving Play: October Trends, A Week Late and Possibly A Dollar Short
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Falcons Sign Lebda to PTO - The Cannon
Remember the Brett Lebda era here in Smashville? Well, now he's signed a tryout contract to play for Columbus' AHL affiliate.
Georges Laraque vs. Darren Pang Twitter fight over Gretzky legacy - Puck Daddy
Pretty silly stuff, really - but can't we all agree that Gretz was indeed a lousy coach?
Roenick: "There are NO Steroids Whatsoever" in the NHL, Wayne Gretzky Wasn’t a Good Coach - Backhand Shelf
Is JR full of baloney?
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Might Carolina be a team looking to make a move or two?
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“With the deal signed as is, the best the Predators can hope for is that Rinne lives up to the value of the deal, but there’s almost no way he can surpass it.”
That’s a pretty good “best”.. And this deal gets cheaper every year. What would it cost to sign Rinne 4 years from now?
More than that, what might it have cost to sign him later on this year? We needed to get it done and we did. There is no way that letting this drag on to try to get Rinne’s price down would have made anything any better.
It’s entirely possible that instead of becoming DiPietro or Luongo, the analogies that seem to be the standard for those criticizing this contract for some reason, Pekka becomes Lundqvist.
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Another point:
What would it take to trade for Rinne if he were on another team? And then we would still have to pay for them. Top goalies (especially younger top goalies) don’t hit the market every day. There is tremendous value to keeping the rights of a top player. Teams don’t let them go every day.
Or........
What if Lindback becomes almost as good as Rinne for a fraction of the cost? Just bringing up the other side of the coin. ;)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 6:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He might be cheap for a few years
But his price would go up too. Or he could be a bust, and we’d be regretting letting Rinne go.
GB, darling, quite frankly, that’s the most illogical argument for not singing Pekka long-term that you could make. Why bet on an unproven “what if” when you’re unwilling to bet on a proven “what if?”
If you’re going with that logic, you have to start arguing that Craig Smith might become the Top-6 goal-scorer we need.
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I’m just bringing up the ignored, otherside of the argument. Nothing illogical about it at all.
Fact is, we wouldn’t be the firts team burned by a long term goalie signing. Not saying it will happen, probably won’t, but to pretend there’s no downside to this is, dare I say, illogical. ;)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 6:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Who said there’s no downside to it?
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There’s certainly no allusion to a downside in any of the previous comments, is there?
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 6:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You’re reaching for that one, my friend.
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No, I just had the audacity to point out the 800lb gorilla in the room. Someone has to do it.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 7:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don’t change the subject. You said that I and musamonster made an argument we didn’t make on the basis that we didn’t make the opposite argument.
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No, I just pointed out the otherside of the argument that wasn’t being made here.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 8:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As the video clearly shows....
Not saying it will happen, probably won’t, but to pretend there’s no downside to this is, dare I say, illogical. ;)
Who said there’s no downside to it?
There’s certainly no allusion to a downside in any of the previous comments, is there?
Big reach there.
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No, it really isn’t a reach at all.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 8:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah it is. Not making an argument is not the same as arguing its opposite. We were reacting to someone saying it’s all downside by saying it’s not all downside. Do not interpret that as saying it’s all upside.
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Who said it’s all downside? You’re making stuff up now.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 1:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The article above that musamonster was quoting, for one. Good lord, man, pay attention! :P
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What does that article have to do with anything I said? I’m starting to worry about you, CA.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 12:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
CA can not come out and play
because her brain just exploded and is leaking out of her ear.
Signed, CAustin’s doctor
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So my fears were well founded. Get well soon. :p
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
OR......
Or one of our forwards develops into a 30 goal scorer….. We can play this game all nite long.
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Which forward are we spending 7M on? Context, please, context.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 7:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hell, Grizzled, if I worried about liability over every high priced player, we’d never consider (re) signing one.
You speak of context without understanding the circumstances relevant to Rinne becoming a top tier player. It did not “just happen”. You liability argument is 800 pounds because it is in your mind.
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I can confidently predict that one of our forwards will develop into at least a 5-goal/year guy.
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Hey Hey
we already have 2 of those signed! ::happy dance::
by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Nov 7, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Oh boy......
Who said we shouldn’t even consider re-signing a star player? No one did. It’s a reasonable question to ask and I’m far from the only one to ask it.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Or what if
We let Rinne go and Lindback turns out to be a bust?? Not that I think he will but Poile has been very lucky with goaltenders since Vokoun left.
It's not luck...
It’s MITCH KORN!!!
by HardCorePredFan316 on Nov 8, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
How much would it of cost us
If he walked as a free agent, and signed with a central division rival? (If there is no crazy realignment)
Elliotte Friedman's points are great regarding Rinne:
16. Brodeur wouldn’t come right out and say it, but indicated he wants to play again next year. Asked which goalie he likes watching, he immediately picked Pekka Rinne.
17. Very interesting reactions to Rinne’s new deal with Nashville. “Statement contract,” said one exec. “Fair deal for both sides,” said another. That seems to be the majority opinion. Saw some media claiming that $7 million is too much for a goalie, but I disagree here. This is not just about a goalie. This is about a franchise that becomes the Kansas City Royals or Pittsburgh Pirates if it doesn’t get at least one of Rinne/Suter/Weber signed and soon.
18. One agent explained why Rinne was the most signable. Since the lockout, the largest UFA deal for a goaltender is four years and $27 million for Khabibulin in Chicago. (Technically, Ilya Bryzgalov never hit the market). High-level defencemen tend to do much better. That gave Rinne more incentive a take a big-money contract sooner. However, if they didn’t get it done in the very near future, he was going to stop negotiating and take his chances. Wisely, the Predators got it done.
I love the Brodeur tidbit on that.
It’s also pretty telling that the people who look at the contract in context of other things going on in Nashville are okay with it. For instance, on Friday Joshua Cooper wrote “the likelihood of the Predators keeping all three dramatically increased yesterday.”
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Huh?
With paying Rinne 7M per season, the likelihood of keeping all 3 decreased, not increased, Josh Cooper’s opinion aside.
Whether this is a good deal or not depends on whether Rinne continues to play at this level and can remain healthy, but it cuts in deeply to what this organization can afford to pay Weber and Suter.
Now, back to “all is well, Rinne is signed” fantasy world. :)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You just like to ignore the fact that Cigarran said himself that they have the money to sign all three, don’t you? Either that, or you don’t believe they do.
I just look at the numbers. If anyone honestly believes we’re going to spend nearly 60M on payroll next season AND add a scorer, as Cigarran and Poile have suggested, then you’re far more optimistic than I am.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 6:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It comes down to whether you believe anything can change in terms of the finances. You don’t think so, so you discount the statements. Other people do, so they don’t discount them.
Neither position is necessarily right. We can’t tell the future. I still have hope. Believe me, I’m bracing myself to be disappointed if my hopes don’t pan out.
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Cigarran can put the whole issue to rest by stating how much the owners are willing to spend on payroll, this season and next. Until they do that and we’re sitting at 3rd to the bottom in spending, color me skeptical.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 6:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Avarage attendance is over 16k right now,
early in the season. Some of those tickets might be discounted, but overall that means $$$… $$$ means more to spend.
Great, how much?
Are they willing to go over the cap midpoint and lose full revenue sharing? They need to put out specific numbers, not generalities.
Remember all the talk after making it to the 2nd round of the playoffs last summer of more money to spend on the roster? We’re currently about 3M lower than we ended last season with. As the line in the movie went “show me the money”!
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 6:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are they willing to go over the cap midpoint and lose full revenue sharing? They need to put out specific numbers, not generalities.
It isn’t what your team salary is, it is the quality of the players.
I’m sorry, Jarome Iginla, we can’t sign you. You don’t want enough money. We said we would spend more money than you are asking.
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There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer
C’mon, you know that’s not what’s at issue here. The fact is that if we re-sign just the big 3 it will push us past what the likely cap midpoint will be next season (using what the current CBA trends have been). It’s a reasonable question to ask if they would be willing to jepordize revenue sharing money to get all 3 signed.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 8:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe
with the attendance up revenue sharing isn’t such a big deal. I dunno…
But isn’t that a reasonable question to ask whether they would forego, say, 5M in revenue sharing to make the signings they wish to make? I think it would be.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 9:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yes, that is a reasonable question. It’s also reasonable for the team not to come out and state what their limits are.
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And it’s also reasonable for me to be skeptical about their statements of spending more money. ;)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 11:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I never said it was unreasonable. I said don’t call me unreasonable for saying they could be telling the truth.
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You may want to read your first response to my first post in this thread. There’s a lot of the pot calling the kettle black in this thread.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 1:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Now you're mixing up who's talking about what.
To reiterate: It is illogical to argue that signing Rinne long-term is too risky because Lindback might develop into another Rinne.
It is reasonable to listen to what the brass have said about the contract situation in the past week and think that they understand how much it will cost to sign all three and some offense.
It is reasonable to put some faith in their assertions that the money is there.
It is reasonable to be skeptical of their words.
It is reasonable to wonder if they are willing to forego revenue sharing $$ when they never have before.
It is reasonable for them not to give the fans a dollar amount that they are willing to spend.
No pots, no kettles. And no fantasies, either.
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY PEKKA!!!
This is a nice attempt at avoiding the fact that you threw out the “illogical” comment before being the “victim” of such a vicious accusation……..this is like debating a politician!
Please tell me you’re not running for office. ;p
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 12:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought revenue sharing was based upon
both being bottom 15 in revenues and below 2.5 million in metro population?
It’s broken up into a few different criterea (Dirk can explain better than I can on that). About half of the revenue sharing portion is based on not going over the cap midpoint, that’s why I estimate about 5M would be jepordized if we went above that midpoint.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cigarran and Poile both said
at the SOTU that this year payroll would be higher than last season by the end of the season. Cigarran also said that one local owner would contribute more money which now we must assume it is Fritch(I think) is that owner since he sold his stock for nearly 200 million dollars. He also said he expects an “outside” owner to be approved by the NHL BoG by November/December. We all assume Wilson but I don’t remember him mentioning any name. Lets say both guys come (and maybe they already know this) they will have several options to use this money. They could use it on salary to go higher than mid-point and sign all 3 plus one or they could use it to pay the debt way down which in return allow to pay more in the cap.
They specifically said “by the end of the season” they would spend more money? Maybe they did, but that’s the first time I’ve heard it catagorized that way.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 11:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think what they were saying
Was a trade around the deadline to bring in a possible "rental player’ that would bring the payroll up. From what they said all Summer I don’t think they were thinking of bringing in anyone before the season or first half of the season. By listening to Poile and what liitle we have heard from Cigarran I get the feeling that they are planning on coming into extra money sometime. The comment ‘’we will spend more season’ is what their final payroll will be which will be around or a little before the trade deadline. But all of this is just my feeling from what I have heard.
I’m glad you clarified this in the last sentence here. I didn’t hear them qualify when they would be spending this alleged additional money, so I’m in wait and see mode here (with an added touch of skepticism thrown in). ;)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 1:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
How many NHL franchises do this? Why on earth would he do this?
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And what if the players won't accept what the Preds are offering?
Offering Rinne $7 mil is great. But if he doesn’t take the offer, you can’t just turn around and offer some other player the same amount.
You can't? Why not?
A team has never had a player sign elsewhere and then offer their available money to someone else? The Kings last season when they lost out B. Richards? It’s not that uncommon.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 6:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Canes do this every season. It’s not that unusual.
Why would he do this? To show that there’s substance to his rhetoric.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 6:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Show me. Give me the link to the coverage of the Canes saying we plan to spend X dollars on payroll this season and then doing that. Show me more than 1 or 2 clubs that open their financials up like this.
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Karmanos and Rutherford have been quite open about what they can spend, it’s right in the News & Observer newspaper for anyone to read. Teams that spend to the cap ceiling make no bones about doing so. It’s not uncommon at all.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 7:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’ll give you the cap spenders, even though that’s an implication and not openness on the team’s part, but as far as other teams—like they say, “pictures or it didn’t happen.” Dallas didn’t do it; everything that came out about their finances did so as part of court proceedings. For that matter, Vinik didn’t do it in TB, either in 2010 or 2011, even with cap implications. I never heard of Florida coming out and saying how much they planned to spend even though everyone knew they were below the floor.
I don’t think that Cigarran, et. al., have any responsibility to open up their finances to the fans. If they choose to, that’s their choice. But as long as there’s no implication of wrongdoing, they have every right to hold their cards to their chest.
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They can do cartwheels if they wish while proclaiming what big spenders they plain on being to. Wrongdoing has nothing to do with any of this, they can hold their cards as tightly as they wish. Just don’t ask anyone to believe any of the rhetoric when we’re barely above the cap floor right now.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 7:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
By “anyone” you mean you. My point has been that some people believe them. It’s well within the bounds of reason to do so, even if you don’t. I want to and am willing to give them the chance to prove their words are true.
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Yes, I'm the only one who holds that point of view.
Neither you are I know what the percentage breakdown is of who believes what here, so making it seem like it’s lil ‘ol me on one side and you’re with the majority is misleading.
Everyone can believe what they wish, I just look at where we’re at and add up the numbers.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 7:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Donald has spoken!
No need for further comment.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 8:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOL….. I believe that is the majority thought on the board about you……LOL
My hockey team is better than your hockey team
Yes, I’m sure it is. (Really need a rolling eyes emoticon here).
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 8:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I meant only that you are speaking for yourself, not for me. Please don’t say something like “don’t expect anyone to believe” when it’s clear that some people do believe.
Just give me the respect of not painting my opinion as irrational while yours is rational.
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You’re subtilizing again. How’s “don’t expect everyone to believe”? Better?
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually, yes. Words hurt, GB. :(
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY PEKKA!!!
And here I thought you were tough. I’ll be more Gentile Ben-like next time. :)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 8:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And then the cat won’t have to lick the tears off my face anymore.
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY PEKKA!!!
At least the tears aren’t going to waste. :)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 8:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and 6 in the conference
and 17th in GPG without our entire lineup for most of the season.
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey
A tad early to be using placement in the standings, isn’t it? By that measurement, the Stars and Oilers are Cup bound! ;)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 7:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
except that they’re in the same conference :)
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Dogs and cats living together…..
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY PEKKA!!!
I’m okay with you being skeptical. I’m not okay with you saying that I’m in fantasy land because I don’t agree with your point of view.
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY PEKKA!!!
The fantasyland I refer to is the “Pekka is signed, all is well” stuff and ignoring the potential liability of a cap floor team spending that much on a goalie.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 6:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cmon Grizz
The generalization, surrounded by quotations, is off-putting. I think your message is getting lost with your tact. Saying things like “fantasy-land” immediately puts people on the defensive. I don’t agree with your position on this, yet as soon as I saw the links above, I was interested in your opinion. I think there is a good discussion to be had on this topic.
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey
It’s just putting a humorous tone on the issue, no need to off-put yourself over it.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 7:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What
Is humorous to u isnt necessarily to someone else. I think you are smart, and articulate, enough to make your point by belittling someone’s.
I am excited about this signing as I see it as a first step to bigger and better things. You have asked them to spend and they have. I think this franchise is about to step up, and I am excited about it
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey
Note the smiley face after my first use of “fantasyland”. Maybe smiley faces don’t show up on all computers, I dunno………..
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 7:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Like I said above
Once you compare someone’s point of view to “fantasy-land” you have completely changed the discussion. It doesn’t matter what you put behind it
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey
Yes it does! :)
See, it just changed everything right there.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 7:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well, if stating an opposing view is confrontational, then I’m guilty as charged. :) (smiley face included as required).
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 1:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If anyone honestly believes we’re going to spend nearly 60M on payroll next season AND add a scorer
Why do you think they raised the price of beer $1?
World Wide Weber.
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Well, if we can get everyone drunk during each home game………:D
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 8:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's the plan.
Don’t sign the other 2. Alcohol sales rocket. Use new money to spend to the ceiling. Profit.
We'll miss you Belak...
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bunch of crap
I’ll say it…the in the crease article is a bunch of horse hockey.
From padding the stats to surmising we could just develope another goalie. All a bunch of crap.
If Pekka Rinne hit the open market, no telling what his worth. he is worth every penny we paid and he proves it every nite.
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Thread highjack alert
I just want to say that Colin Wilson played an outstanding game for us Saturday night and should have been one of the choices for player of the game.
Attendence is up and venues at Bridgestone appear to be going well, so for a business to project more in spending isn’t uncommon, but I don’t think it prudent for Cigarren to offer a number….it is not good business.
Plus, the argument can be made with any player as far as potential liability, no matter what the cost. Lombardi comes to mind. I wish we had a crystal ball and knew he would suffer a concussion, we could have avoided the liability….Or not sent him to the ice that shift.
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Why is it not good business?
All someone should simply ask of him is “will you be willing to spend above the cap midpoint if that’s what it takes to keep the big 3 and add offense to the roster”. If they can’t answer that question, then that is telling, IMO.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 7:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Grizz Thinks
This glass is completely empty!!
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:P
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by bvkv09 on Nov 7, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Yup, it ends the argument right there.
Those glass half-filled pictures do it all the time (rolls eyes).
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 7:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Apparently
You didnt see the smiley face!!!!
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey
That was a raspberry, not a smiley face. ;)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 8:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The point was, you see what you want to see. And that perception is usually negative.

You are the opposite of this guy.
And you see things objectively, right DB?
Pictures are cute, but they don’t help your argument.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 11:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not always, but I rather have on homer goggles on than blinders.
And what argument are we currently having?
At this point I’ve lost track of it. :/
Looking at the numbers and seeing the difficulty of doing what ownership claims it will do is not having blinders on, it’s just being objective.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So are you saying Tom Cigarran is a fool who doesn’t understand the numbers, or he’s a liar. Because under your argument those are the only 2 options I see. He had said repeatedly over the last few days that the team intends to make market value offers to both Suter and Weber. An arbitrator made it painfully clear what Weber’s market value is going to be and everybody and their dog expects Suter to be in a similar ballpark.
He also said that ownership’s goal was originally to keep the team in Nashville and the new goal was to win the Stanley Cup without having to blow the team up afterwards. I feel confident that he knows what that means in terms of cash flow. And He doesn’t need to lay out specifics to prove that to me.
Weber and Suter may not stay in Nashville but it won’t be because they didn’t get offered a big old chunk of change.
by Melissa Vanderpool Wallace on Nov 8, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m saying that, based on what their current spending level is, the loss of at least some revenue sharing money by spending over the cap midpoint and how much it will take to keep both Weber and Suter plus add a skilled forward, I don’t see how they can conceivably do it without taking on around an additional 15M expenditure (added spending plus loss of revenue sharing money). That’s what I’m saying.
Maybe changes in the next CBA will make all this more doable for the organization, but we really don’t know what that next CBA will look like.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 1:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That doesn’t really answer my question.
Do you think they’re lying or do you honestly think that the owners and Poile don’t know that? Just because the team has relied heavily on revenue sharing in the past and been unwilling to spend over the midpoint that doesn’t mean they can’t weigh their options and change their minds and frankly, they are under no obligation to tell anyone the details of their plans.
by Melissa Vanderpool Wallace on Nov 8, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
As I’ve said many times before in this thread, without management giving any indication of A: what spending level they’re willing to go up to and more precisely B: would they be willing to forego revenue sharing money to sign all these players, I can’t look at us being currently just over the cap floor and believe unquestionably that they will now add a net 15M to their overall outlays for the team. I can’t be any more clear than that.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Here's my math at it:
Let’s assume (I know, I know) that each of the 3 get about the same at $7 mil each (Weber at $7.5)
That means Weber nets +0, Rinne nets +3.6 and Suter +3.5, meaning a gain of +7.1 mil. Assuming (yes again) the cap doesn’t change, that leaves around $1 mil for more fancy players on offense. That’s with Geofferion, Kostitsyn and Wilson as RFA as well. GB is right. Unless we lose one of Erat or Legwand (or both) contracts, they are going over the so called midpoint.
That's not the issue, though
The issue isn’t the numbers, because we all agree on what the numbers are likely to be. Even the team expects something in the $7M range. The issue is whether to believe Cigarran and Poile when they say the money is there to sign all three and upgrade the offense.
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Ironically enough........
Though the CBA landscape is likely to change at least somewhat next season, it would actually be in the teams best interest if the cap went up by another 5M or so for 12/13. The higher the midpoint, the better their chances of being able to pay the big 3 without losing revenue sharing money.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 5:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But the more the cap goes up
The more other teams have to offer our players. $7 mil could quickly become $8.5 mil.
8.5 for Weber is a very real possibilty as it is.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 9, 2011 2:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
LOLOLOL
When you are losing the argument, change the parameters.
My hockey team is better than your hockey team
Whose changing parameters?
I’d say if you have to start distorting the argument, maybe you never really had one to begin with.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 7:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Requesting if we will spend over the cap midpoint is not asking for a particular spending number. You changed the paramenters of your argument. Now you distort my post to cover your butt.
Maybe if you just didn’t want to argue for arguments sake.
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Asking whether they would be willing to spend over that cap midpoint isn’t a specific number? Sorry, bud, but you misfired on this one.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He already has
When he was on 104.5 in August early September he said the team would be above the cap midpoint this season. One thing that most fans forget is that when Freeman and Co bought the team he told the fans that it would be a ‘slow climb and difficult for a while’ this was before Boots share went into bankruptcy. Think back during the 2010 offseason. Really for the first time(since new ownership) Poile traded some UFA to bring in some prospect which so far has turned into a great move by Poile getting Kostitsyn and Halischuk. Then he signed free agent Lombardi at the time appered to be a move to improve the offense and scoring. Then they buy out Boots share and refianced the original loan. They trade for Fisher at the deadline for a player that would be here for more than just last season. The off-season seemed to be horrible but it is starting to look better with Rinne signing and with Suter agent coming in town within the next two weeks.
He said the team would be above the cap midpoint at some point in the season? This is the first I’ve heard of this………trust but verify is my motto. :)
And it must be repeated (though I wish it didn’t need to be), Fisher replaced Lombardi who replaced Arnott. It was addition by subtraction.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 1:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
and your point is?
As long as it’s addition in the end why does it matter if it was by subtraction or by some other means? Now you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing.
As far as what I heard, the midpoint was never mentioned…just spending more than we spent last year payroll- wise.
by TitanPredBearFan on Nov 8, 2011 4:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, it’s pointing out that replacing one player with another player was not an addition in spending as the post I responded to seemed to be alluding to. It’s been an often mentioned fallacy that we added offense to the team by making those various moves, which it really wasn’t. That doesn’t mean they were bad moves, in fact I think they were good moves in the context of what the various situations were, but they were replacement moves, not additions.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 12:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wow Dirk
For a guy who’s generally pretty even handed, it’s obvious that you REALLY don’t like this contract…especially since you’ve emphasized all the negative comments in the articles for the past couple days. Even Ken Campbell finally comes to the point and says he thinks the Preds probably made a good decision in the long run. Do you really think the Preds screwed the pooch so bad this time? Cause I’m having a hard time seeing it in such a negative light.
by TitanPredBearFan on Nov 7, 2011 7:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree
Dirk,
Can we get an in depth article with your views spelled out on this. I would really appreciate your take on what you think this means, if anything, in the resigning of the other 2.
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey
In a nutshell
I think it’s an overpay, certainly. Was his performance last year worth $7 million? OK, but repeating that year after year is incredibly unlikely. The risk here is gigantic from the team’s point of view, especially with their proven ability to get superior goaltending results from a rotating cast of characters over the years.
And we have to remember, Pekka has delivered only 1.5 years of above-average NHL goaltending at this point, it’s pretty early on to give him “biggest cap hit in the league” money.
Would a replacement be as good as Rinne? Probably not, but the $4 or 5 million saved in goal could be spent somewhere else to greater effect.
THAT SAID, it’s probably not the team-killing boat anchor that the harshest critics think. For one thing, I could see the overall salary level rising by close to 10% this season alone, so a $7 million/year contract going forward is probably comparable to a $6M deal signed a couple years ago (guys like Lundqvist, etc.).
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Duck behind the couch quickly!
The bricks will be coming your way! :D
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
There will be no bricks…..he did not belittle anyone.
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Hello pot, it’s kettle!
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 8:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think
the team realizes that if we are going to make serious runs for the cup anytime soon, it will be with Rinne in goal. We aren’t going to bring in an offense that will be able to simply outscore everyone. Defense, backed by a top, not just good, but top goalie is a must. How much did Boston value Tim Thomas? Granted, they had a bit more offense, but Thomas was the star.
agreed
If we were an offense first team, We could get by with a lesser goalie and lesser d men….But we are not.
The teams are out there who think offense first…..Ducks, Tampa Bay…Their goaltending is ok, but their defense is lacking.
Boston is pretty good on the backend too…..
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Dirk, I can agree, but I believe this signing was about more than the money. It is a statement…..we needed to make.
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by Predator Don on Nov 7, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is assuming we would actually spend the 4-5m somewhere else. Poile is never going to pull a Florida Panthers like offseason and overpay mediocre talent. Our best chance of winning the Stanley Cup is to reward our own and entice other players in the NHL to sign here because we’re a great place to play, we maintain a stable organization, and we provide the best possibility to win it all. Never underestimate the power of stability in a professional athletes life.
That being said, Pekka gives us the solid foundation to recruit other athletes to come here. As his profile rises, so will ours. Hockey players will look at this as we’re committed to winning. How do you think Detroit always manages to sign the best free agent talent? They’re globally viewed as giving their players the best chance to win the Cup. We’re on the precipice of doing that as well. Lets not screw it up by assuming this is going to prohibit us from not making future signings.
Finally I think you should tone down your contract bashing on public radio. These knuckleheads don’t know the hockey scene from a hole in the ground, and immediately writing off this deal in favor of “hoping” Lindy can replicate Pekka’s performance is silly and detrimental to the teams success. All the talking heads are going to do is regurgitate your opinion. I think we’re going to sign Suter and probably Weber, but if there’s a majority of sentiment out there that it could never happen… it probably won’t.
Having a foundation that may attract players to your team and having the ability to pay that talent are two different things. The Wings have both things going for them, whether we have the ability to spend like they do is what’s at issue.
As for the Panthers, they really didn’t have much choice in paying all that money this off-season to get over the cap floor. Do have a better team so far at least this season.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 7, 2011 9:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I doubt we’re going to be a cap ceiling team anywhere in the near future, but you have to at least give us credit for moving in the right direction!
I understood Florida’s predicament, I used them as an example of what they needed to do to just get mediocre talent to play there. A consistently good team doesn’t have to overspend just to get average guys to come to town. A premium player will always command premium prices. If we fill our roster with fair priced 2nd, 3rd, & 4th liners, we’ll be able to shell out high dollars on a handful of premium players.
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Finally I think you should tone down your contract bashing on public radio. These knuckleheads don’t know the hockey scene from a hole in the ground, and immediately writing off this deal in favor of "hoping" Lindy can replicate Pekka’s performance is silly and detrimental to the teams success.
Did I bash it? I think the only bit I’ve talked about it on the radio was during the pre-game show before the Phoenix game, and I think I said pretty much what I did above, that it’s an overpay, but one the team can probably live with. Hardly bashing…
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well, your blog is being read by radio personalities then (congrats). I’ve heard (i believe) 2 shows on 102.5 mention OtF, and “overpaying” for Rinne. On one, you were actually called out by name by another blogger with an opposing view point to yours(I didn’t catch his name). But he was basically saying what I have said about this showing our commitment to winning, should be easier to sign Weber/Suter, bla bla bla.
My point is that the last thing we need getting floated around Nashville airwaves is how Pekka’s contract is going to absolutely prohibit us from signing Weber, Suter, and hypothetical future FA. All that is pure speculation. And the only reason I bring this up is because I keep perceiving the article link comments above as negative toward his contract. I think radio personalities basically skim the “Dirk reaction to the article” and go with it. I’d like to see some comments about the visibly positive effect this contract has created with the team.
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I wouldn’t say it “speculation” on Dirk’s part about Rinne’s contract potentially prohibiting the team from making future signings. The numbers are what they are, it’s not like hockey bloggers/writers are going to overlook that challange for us.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 1:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My point is that the last thing we need getting floated around Nashville airwaves is how Pekka’s contract is going to absolutely prohibit us from signing Weber, Suter, and hypothetical future FA.
I don’t know that I’ve said any such thing, just that the Rinne contract is an overpay. I call ’em as I see ’em, unfortunately.
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I probably would have more quickly gotten behind...
…or remained behind a shorter contract.
That said, Pekka Rinne, to me, seems to be one of the few players in the league who will remain consistently good. It’s all based on intangibles, just a personal admiration of his work ethic and ability to truly forget a bad game.
We'll miss you Belak...
Go Predators!
I agree
Pekka is one of the players that I see very little risk in signing long term…Ryan Suter is another and third is probably Shea Weber’s Beard cause I mean that thing is as solid as they come.
by TitanPredBearFan on Nov 8, 2011 4:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That is just the thing
Over 7 seasons the cap will go up and in each and every year his cap hit percentage will virtually go down. So Poile question was do we sign him 3 to 4 years at 7 million and then give him 8 million plus after that or lock him down for almost the rest of his career at one price with cap going up every season? The fact is within the next 3 or so seasons Rinne will not be in the top 5 in goalies salaries. I personally think it is very smart to lock up all 3 long term because the same will be said for them also.
Dirk
I know you’re a numbers guy, so I guess I see your point. But even you have to realize that this contract is about so much more than dollars and cents. It shows the hockey world that this once perceived small market team has put on the big boy pants, stepped up to the plate and is now trying to be taken serious as a team trying to be more than just a perrenially “competitive” club. Does it all mean nothing if we don’t lock up our stars and boost our scoring ability? Yep….but it gives me hope like never before that the ownership is committed to winning it all.
Am I a fool? That remains to be seen…but that weight that appears to have lifted in the Preds dressing room, well I along with a whole lot of other Pred diehards felt it too. And after the offseason this team had, that’s a great thing for this franchise.
by TitanPredBearFan on Nov 8, 2011 4:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
In a budget-constrained world I’m not crazy about throwing around millions of dollars in order to make a statement.
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I dunno.
I thought the Preds made a “statement” when they paid for and got Kariya… one that paid off.
Just ask the Islanders about over paying a goalie for too many years....
DiPietro, because of inuries and poor play has become their worst nightmare. Goalies are like place kickers. They are streaky and never worth earning a top salary on the team. I hope Dirk and I are wrong, but my bet is in a couple of years the Preds will rue the day they signed this deal. Again, I hope I am wrong.
I take a different view
Look at Thomas’ contract. In 2009 it was 6 million. avg was 5 million a year. That was in 09. I think that would be comparable to Rinne’s deal now, but no one was screaming then. I was a little shocked by the amount, but the cap hit isnt an issue for us. The real dollars are the only issue for this team
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey
Between a rock and a hard place (for the critics)
Seems likely, as Dirk says, that the cap will continue to rise. Over the course of a long deal, that makes even monumentally stupid deals like DiPietro’s seem not so bad. Right now, he is taking up 7% of cap space (10.3% when signed- about the same as Pekka). That makes him the 12th best paid goalie 5 years out. So you sign long term and soon your star salary is just better than average. To hear critics here, you would think that Rinne gets a COLA every year. The real gamble that DP is making is not so much with the contract as a wager that the cap will continue to rise, bringing with it the midpoint we hear so much about.
If that’s the rock, the hard place is signing to a short-term deal that neither makes the statement that many feel this deal made to Batman and Robin, nor does it capture a prime-of-career player to a reduction in relative wages that a long term deal does. You would think after the fire sale of 2007 that we would appreciate such a commitment to stability. Maybe you guys like talking about all the deals we have to make each off-season but I kinda like looking a capgeek and seeing years of quality goaltending ahead of us.
Maybe we would be better off with a 4 year deal, but if management start to regret, that just above-average salary 4 years out will be easier to trade to another team than you might think.
From TSN's Power Rankings:
4-0-1 in their last five, the Predators have recovered from their slow start and now have locked up G Pekka Rinne for seven years. While the price seems exhorbitant, given the league-wide value of goaltending, the investment may be understandable if it’s part of a larger plan for the Predators and that Rinne might be a cornerstone piece that may help get defencemen Ryan Suter and Shea Weber signed long-term.
I think that last piece sums up the point all the proponents of “The Contract” are trying to say.
How is it any more
exhorbinant than Luongo’s?
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey
Uhm, Luongo pays a lot more in taxes
so that means he is really making less.. Right? Right?! :)
Think about how much more exciting watching the Preds is because of Pekka’s ninja-like saves. You come, you see a great product on the ice with lots of excitement, you come back. You keep coming back, you get hooked and some become STHs. When I first came to a game, I never, ever expected to become a STH. Didn’t even think I’d have a good time.
Star power brings in fans for sure. Pekka has it.
Exactly, how much money does Pekka bring in? He gets the loudest cheers when it used to be Tootoo. And now there are MORE fans as well.
Agreed
I think Pekka has become THE face of our franchise. Yes over Weber and Yes over Suter. Pekka IS our allstar and mvp. The money/term might be a tad high, but I will not complain about it. Plus, if this helps out in the decisions of Suter and Weber, then it’s priceless.
If we don't acknowledge the risk there is nothing to talk about
…and I know I’m late to the party. However…
Pekka Rinne is a proven elite goalie in his prime. This is not debatable. So, if you want to keep him, you have to pay him or someone else will. Did the Predators over pay him? Absolutely not. They paid him what the market says he is worth. He is right in line with Luongo and Bryzgalov comparatively. In between them in fact. The only difference is Rinne’s contract comes without a cap cheat.
If anything, the contract length could be up for debate. You must keep in mind, however, a 3 year contract is going to cost you around 8M per and a 4 year probably <7.5M so you can’t just whittle off a couple of years and ask why he isn’t extended through 2015 for 21M.
The question really boils down to this: Do you want elite players on you team or not? In shocking news, the Preds see a window of opportunity and plan to try and retain the three elite players currently on the roster. …oh wait, that’s the one consistent public statement coming from all levels of management repeatedly since last spring.
Could this bite the Preds? Yes. Obviously. Questioning whether or not this is the right move is completely reasonable, especially given that we have become accustomed to getting above average goaltending, basically since day one. It is however exactly what the Preds said they were going to do. Sign their core, who just so happen to be three of the very best players in the world at their respective positions, and all in their prime. …and, in related news, for those of you who didn’t like Pekka’s contract, you really aren’t going to care for Suter’s.
by Marcus Newman on Nov 8, 2011 3:00 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Woot.
I actually clapped at that last sentence.
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Admittedly, I usually feel better when I ’m of like mind with CA (instead of her pointing out an error I made in my analysis). :)
by Marcus Newman on Nov 8, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a distinct possibility but the Preds have the means and space to sign him if he truly wants to be here. Even if it makes rounding out the rest of the roster a little trickier.
At this point I wouldn’t call Suter leaving a “probability” though. If anything, I would say the Preds are the leading candidate to sign him at the moment.
by Marcus Newman on Nov 8, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Will we like Weber’s next contract? ;)
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 5:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You wont
Unless there is a top 6 forward named Weber.
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Boo hoo!
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 7:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
While I agree with Marcus that another team would likely have given Rinne want he wanted in free agency, the consensus in many other threads this summer was that the goalie market was oversaturated and Rinne would be taking a risk by testing free agency, ala Vokoun, which would in turn make Rinne a more affordable signing for us. Never bought that argument, but some did.
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by Grizzledbear on Nov 8, 2011 8:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Vokoun is 35
He’s massively underpaid, yes (you have to wonder if Flyers are cursing themselves), but he is also 35. He’s not getting a 7 year deal, isn’t going to get attention from teams looking for long term goalies. Granted, not every team is looking to throw down big money on a long term goalie, but I do believe there is a certain team in Jersey who might have thrown a lot of money his way were he a free agent this summer. It only takes 1 team to drive the bid up.
I’m thinking the Panthers would have been team #1 to throw the big bucks at Rinne if he hit the UFA market, the Caps and maybe the Devils as well.
Defense keeps you in games........offense wins them!
by Grizzledbear on Nov 9, 2011 2:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

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