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Jordin Tootoo suspended 2 games for Ryan Miller hit

NASHVILLE, TN - DECEMBER 03: Goalie Ryan Miller #30 of the Buffalo Sabres punches Jordin Tootoo #22 of the Nashville Predators at the Bridgestone Arena on December 3, 2011 in Nashville, Tennessee.  (Photo by Frederick Breedon/Getty Images)

The NHL has today suspended Nashville Predators winger Jordin Tootoo two games, following his collision with Buffalo Sabres goalie Ryan Miller during the second period of last night's 3-2 loss at Bridgestone Arena. This is Tootoo's first suspension since March of 2007, when he received a 5-gamer for the infamous punch he threw at Stephane Robidas in a game against the Dallas Stars. Because that incident occurred more than 18 months ago, he is not considered a "repeat offender" under the league's supplementary discipline procedures (this part is unclear - Exhibit 8.5(d) of the CBA defines repeat- vs. first-time-offender, but Shanahan's explanation below differs).

Last night, Preds broadcaster Pete Weber discussed this incident on FAN590 up in Toronto:

Pete Weber on Fan590 2011-12-05 (mp3)

Tootoo will continue to take up a spot on the Active Roster during the suspension, so the Preds will be pretty constrained on their roster choices. If they want to free up a roster spot for another Milwaukee callup, however, they could put one of the injured guys like Francis Bouillon on injured reserve to make room.


Jordin Tootoo

#22 / Right Wing / Nashville Predators

5-9

199

Feb 02, 1983



GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG
SOG PCT
2011 - Jordin Tootoo 26 3 6 9 -1 45 1 0 0 50 6.0

Take it away, NHL Vice President of Player Safety Brendan Shanahan. Shanny emphasizes that Tootoo should have made a better effort to avoid or minimize the impact:

After the jump, you'll find the video of the hit to stew over once again...

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Not to bad, thought it would be 3 or 4 games.

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by Grizzledbear on Dec 6, 2011 1:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

wait a minute

One of the key points is a prior history. Since when is something that happened four years ago taken into account when handing out discipline? This is total BS.

Is Booth even having a hearing?

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

I Agree

You can’t say that there hasn’t been an issue in four seasons and then use that as one of the bullet points for the decision.

However, I do think the suspension is fair – not because it was a dirty play but because it was a boneheaded play. Toots should know better than that.

by WINB on Dec 6, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I think everyone agrees it was not a smart move on Tootoo. I really think the only thing any of us can argue is whether supplemental discipline was necessary.

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by Poiju on Dec 6, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

The 5 miinute major and game misconduct seemed sufficient.

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I haven’t seen it with audio, but does he say “no prior history” when he’s reading those off? It’s possible that the bullet was a place for Shanny to indicate whether or not he had prior history.

by Patten on Dec 6, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

He said Tootoo had a suspension and a fine within his career although nothing in the past 4 seasons, so he took that into account. Is that what you were referring to?

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, he classified him as a repeat offender.

by Marcus Newman on Dec 6, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Not really. That’s a technical distinction defined by the CBA. He basically used the “is the player that kind of guy?” standard he’s been using all season.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

so Pekka should feel safe standing in his crease when Perry skates up and hits him in the nuts?

60% of the time it works every time

by Creeping Death on Dec 6, 2011 1:52 PM EST reply actions  

No kidding.

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by Poiju on Dec 6, 2011 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure, he can jump on top of him and pound Perry’s head into the ice with the blocker and not get a penalty or fine.

by vols7381 on Dec 6, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

what hand do you think Miller wears his blocker on? Because I’ve never seen him wear his blocker on his left hand.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The very first punch was with his right hand.

According to the rules, he should have been kicked out the game( which mostly would have also resulted in a suspension).

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by Michaeltastic on Dec 6, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

pound ******’s head into the ice with the blocker

Did not happen.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

51.3 Match Penalty – If, in the judgment of the Referee, a goalkeeper uses his blocking glove to punch an opponent in the head or face in an attempt to or to deliberately injure an opponent, a match penalty must be assessed.

He threw one punch at the back of Toot’s head with his blocker as they were going down and then swapped to his glove. Now, we all know Miller is way to much of a pansy to do any damage but the rule only addresses the attempt. Doesn’t sound like the rule-book was consulted on this particular hearing though…

by Marcus Newman on Dec 6, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see that. I see him grab Tootoo using his blocker hand, but not hit him in the head. And I’m trying to look very closely to see it.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

His right hand grabs Toots’ jersey.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Only saying he took a swing with it. Not calling it a felony but his actions are pretty questionable in my mind as there is zero tolerance for using sticks and blockers as weapons…

by Marcus Newman on Dec 7, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

If you're implying that pound means multiple hits, then no.

However, it doesn’t matter. That’s all semantics.

He broke the rule. He should he punished

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by Michaeltastic on Dec 6, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said above, I don’t see him hit Tootoo’s head with his blocker, much less hit it into the ice.

There is a case that he should have gotten a roughing penalty, and here I would defer to Kerry Fraser.

Based purely on Ryan Miller’s response for being hit in his goal crease a double minor for roughing was warranted for the number of shots he delivered in retaliation
but even Fraser notes it was with the glove hand and not the blocker.

Nonetheless, for me, whatever penalty Miller ought to have gotten under a different rule really doesn’t absolve Tootoo of the mistake he made.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Great reasoning there, for sure.

By that logic Ryan Miller won’t need to worry about a thing, except perhaps a yeast infection

by Hockey Hillbilly on Dec 6, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I would very much like it if we could have a discussion without calling one another stupid or wussies or otherwise engaging in personal attacks.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

The reference was to Ryan Miller, but if the shoe fits…

by Hockey Hillbilly on Dec 6, 2011 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I would recommend just quitting while you’re behind here.

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by Dirk Hoag on Dec 6, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Hands go uuppp..... AND THEY STAY THERE!
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by davisca on Dec 7, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. All the “why didn’t so and so get suspended” and “why didn’t Miller get a penalty” talk has no bearing on what Tootoo did her. It was reckless.

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by Grizzledbear on Dec 6, 2011 6:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Here, not her…….

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by Grizzledbear on Dec 6, 2011 6:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think it has everything to do with it

There needs to be a standard for what is a suspension worthy play and what is not. We now have three plays this year with goalies getting hit and one suspension.

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

This is like saying that because the police don’t pull over everyone who exceeds the speed limit they shouldn’t pull anyone over. One bad non-suspension (Lucic) shouldn’t negate any further suspensions.

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by Grizzledbear on Dec 6, 2011 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No

It is like saying a Judge letting you out of a ticket and then turning around and fining me for the exact same infraction is correct or fair. There should be a standard if they are truly concerned with player safety. This sounds like we are only concerned with safety depending on the players, and teams, involved.

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

But it’s not the same situation between the Lucic hit and this one. Miller being in his crease and being way out of his net makes a difference.

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by Grizzledbear on Dec 6, 2011 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

But it is the same situation

with Booth

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Haven’t seen the video of that yet, so I can’t comment on it, but IMO, Tootoo deserved the suspension he got. I doubt we’re going to change each others minds on this.

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by Grizzledbear on Dec 6, 2011 7:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I thought the penalty was enough

Not trying to change your mind on this. just trying to make my stance clear. The suspension is what it is at this point. I would just like to see the ruling handed out even handed. I don’t think it was in this case. I think he was suspended for political reasons, for lack of a better word, and because he was Jordin Tootoo.

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

No, actually he can’t, remember we are Nashville.

by 901predfan on Dec 6, 2011 2:19 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

ahahaha

what a great joke.

we all know that would require effort by Klein, and that’s not happening. /sarcasm

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by Shawn Kehoe on Dec 6, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

actually not a joke

regardless of what we may think of Klein’s hockey abilities, he is usually the first to respond to cheap shots by an opponent. He knocked Perry around in the playoffs, and his 4 PIM that he has this year are double roughing minors on Beauchemin in response to the Fisher hit.

by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Dec 6, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

oops...

now I see your sarcasm and I feel like an idiot! :-)

by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Dec 6, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

It would have been nice for Shanny to address the sequelae following the hit and comment on Ehrhoff’s behavior, along with the other guys who proceeded to beat on him while he was down. And yes, I’m talking to you Ryan Miller.

by predrock on Dec 6, 2011 1:59 PM EST reply actions  

most players not only go to the box for fighting but leaving the gloves on is usually a bigger no-no

by predwheels on Dec 6, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Given Tootoo reputation for prior behavior...

Sometimes YOU have to take an a$$ whuppin! is what the league office is saying. :)

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by jmkiii58 on Dec 6, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I said it before, I'll say it again.

If this were the Bruins, Tootoo would be fine, but since he plays for the Preds they had to suspend him.

by vols7381 on Dec 6, 2011 2:00 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Meh.

I think it has more to do with Tootoo than the team he plays for.

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by Poiju on Dec 6, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

When was the last time a Bruin was suspended for a hit?

by vols7381 on Dec 6, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Marchand got 2 games in March for a hit on R.J. Umberger.

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by Dirk Hoag on Dec 6, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That's not a valid argument.

Other than Lucic running Miller outside of his crease, when have they had a reviewable play this year? I just don’t think Shanahan plays team favorites.

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by Poiju on Dec 6, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I see your point

*rolls eyes

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by Poiju on Dec 6, 2011 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you’re being tongue in cheek about Shanahan not playing team favorites…

by Wade70 on Dec 6, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

if it soothes your pain

I don’t think he plays favorites either.

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by Shawn Kehoe on Dec 6, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you. This idea that Lucic got away with it b/c he's a Bruin doesn't really play out. Once again....

There was a clarification of policy following the Lucic decision. The GMS told Shanahan that they believed that should have been a suspension. Shanahan said, “Alrighty. Going forward that’s what I’ll do.”

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

then explain

the no suspension or hearing for Booth

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I can’t, wholly, although I believe that it has a lot to do with (a) Booth never leaving his feet, (b) the defender’s positioning (shoulder to shoulder on Booth, back on his heels on Tootoo), (c ) the defender also crashing into the goalie in the same play (Erhoff was able to avoid contact in the Tootoo incident and so was Halischuk who got to the puck and turned before Tootoo landed), and possibly (d) Booth still having possession of the puck. None of those are wholly satisfactory to me, but I believe that Tootoo’s personal reputation had more to do with him getting looked at than what team he plays for.

That said, however, I disagree with the argument that because Shanahan got one call wrong he is obliged to keep getting calls wrong. His bosses told him what they wanted and he did it. Even if I find fault with him not looking at the Booth hit or with his decision on the Lucic hit, that doesn’t equate to this suspension being incorrect.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re my hero, CA! (Did I just say that?). :o

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by Grizzledbear on Dec 6, 2011 6:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I believe

That we disagree on several points above.
b) I believe that Erhoff’s positioning did have an impact on Tootoo’s collision with Miller.
c) Halishuck was not traveling at the same rate of speed as tootoo and was able to see the play developing. I do not think that has any bearing on the collision..
d) possession of the puck. It is not like Tootoo lost possession of the puck away from the net. The puck was taken off his stick less than a second before he collided with miller.

I do believe that Tootoo’s “reputation” is the major factor. It was easy to suspend Tootoo vs. Booth. He has a reputation and plays for a small market team. If he would have suspended Booth the fans in Vancouver would have been buying tickets to Pebble Beach. not to mention what the Canadian media would have had to say.

He has now gotten two calls worng. IMO. One call is a mistake. Two calls is a trend.

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

as the saying goes, the plural of anecdote is not data. Two does not a trend make.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

Three is you count the non-hearing for Booth. :)

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

If

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

all of this could be solved with a explanation from Shanny. I seem to remember him giving a video explanation of why no suspension was called earlier this year. And it is not just Preds fans asking this question. Several of the National Hockey media members are asking the same thing.

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve been asking for that kind of thing for a while now. I also wish he’d drop the “that kind of player” standard.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Cory Scheider

Seems even a goalie has a problem with this penalty

“I’m surprised he got any, to be honest,” said Schneider. "I’m all for protecting goalies, but I guess I haven’t watched it [replay] enough. I don’t know if Tootoo fell into him or targeted his head or if it’s because he’s a repeat offender, but I thought David Booth went to the net similarly on Miikka Kirprusoff and got a two-minute [goalie interference] minor.

“It’s going to be interesting. There has to be a fine line between incidental contact and going to the net hard versus intent to injure. I think plays at the net are harder to avoid than Lucic running Miller at the faceoff dot. That’s more avoidable than when you [forward] and the defenceman are engaged and going to the net hard and sometimes you have nowhere else to go and you have to take out the goalie.

“In that [Tootoo] case, they called a five [charging major and game misconduct] on that one which is pretty harsh. I’m personally surprised that Tootoo got a suspension and Lucic didn’t. Every player is told take the puck and go to the net hard and see what happens. It’s ingrained in their minds. What if it wasn’t Miller? Would he have got suspended for that?

“I’m not saying everyone who comes to the net has a green light, but it’s getting even greyer than black and white.”

Read more: http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Schneider+surprised+Tootoo+suspension/5820102/story.html#ixzz1fnopPn5v

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think the key point

that Schnieder brings up is intent to injure vs incidental contact. He is exactly, 100%, correct when he says every player is told to take it to the net hard. Add a defense-man glued to your back, hooking you, and you have what we saw the other night

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I suspect that there are goalies who disagree with Schneider on this, just like there were NHL goalies on both sides on the Lucic hit. Are you going to go find all the quotes and compile all the data or are you going to stop with the one guy’s opinion? Because one guy’s opinion should not be taken to be the only opinion. Keven Woodley, for instance, said “protect the goalies.”

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

I will just stick with the one. It does help to validate my point.:)

By the way Woodley also tweeted ’. And now Booth runs into Kiprusoff and a donnybrook/dogpile ensues … welcome to the game Miikka"

Sounds like a guy that really wants to protect goalies. As long as they arent getting run by his team.

At least I provided a full quote and the link. Not just some # portion of a tweet

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Woodley doesn’t have a team. He’s a journalist who happens to be a goalie.

And my point is that some guys are going to say “protect the goalies” and others are going to say “Every player is told take the puck and go to the net hard and see what happens.” Schneider’s opinion isn’t the final word any more than Woodley’s is.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I know he Doesn't have a team

but he has been covering the nucks for a very long time

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

and I

Never said it was the final word. I dont see any problem with supporting my point of view with a quote from a CURRENT player.

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 8:19 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s not a problem with you using it. Congratulations, you have successfully proven that Cory Schneider has an opinion on Tootoo’s penalty.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

what do I win??

I was merely trying to point out that it isn’t just those of us wearing "gold colored glasses.

Do you not admit that there is enough " I believe" statements associated with this incident, that it is worth considering others opinions on the matter?

A closed mind is like a closed book. Just a block of wood. (Chinese Proverb)
I could use that advice in a lot more than this argument. :)

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 9:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I should have said

I could take my own advice besides using it in this argument.

I didn’t like the way that read after it posted. Sorry if I offended you with that

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 9:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No, I understood what you were saying. :)

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I never accused anyone of wearing “gold colored glasses.” I simply disagree with your assessment of the hits in question and of the suspension. And I gave my reasons why I disagree. By saying “Cory Schneider’s opinion is not enough to change my mind” I never meant to say “don’t bring up Cory Schneider’s opinion.”

Neither my opinion nor Cory Schneider’s nor any columnist or commenter’s ought to close off the discussion. By all means gather all the opinions that you feel you have the time and energy to gather. That only makes the debate better.

In the end, I think that Shanahan made a decision based on evidence he saw in the tape(s) and the instructions given to him by his bosses. I think that he acted consistently with the way he has approached other situations and that he had a fairly solid basis for his decision. To me, there’s no evidence of a bias. I’m not ruling out that in the future that evidence might be there, but I don’t think it’s there now. But that’s my assessment; it doesn’t have to be yours and as long as people don’t tell me to shut up, I’m fine with having people disagree with me.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The only, and I mean only thing, that I disagree with there

is the part on bias. I think the non suspension call on Booth lends itself to the discussions of bias. And it would have been so easily solved by just having the call and then explaining why it wasnt a suspension.

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He gave an explanation on the Booth thing a little but ago. I posted it below.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

And Cory Schnieder just became my favorite Canuck…

by Stormyt on Dec 6, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's Shanahan's explanation

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/06/shanahan-explains-booth-non-suspension?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

"On the Booth play, he’s got the puck longer and the Calgary defenceman is right on his back and leaning on him right into the collision," Shanahan told the Calgary Sun’s Eric Francis. "Just before impact, Booth turns his skates and is blowing snow and is trying to stop. At no point is Tootoo trying to stop. He argued that he was trying to jump. Whether it was intentional to hurt Miller or get out of the way — either way, it was the wrong decision. It made the collision worse."

"I think with Booth he has less options because the player is leaning on his back right into the goalie."

Bottom line: Tootoo was given a two-game suspension because Shanahan ruled that he never tried to avoid contact. Since Booth was trying to stop (and still made contact), he escaped the Shanahammer. Of course, if you put both of these plays against the Lucic hit that sidelined Ryan Miller for a few weeks with a concussion (or whiplash), it gets increasingly difficult to find consistency. Then again, we were warned it would be this way.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

That last paragraph, by the way, is Matt Reitz’s read on the situation, not Shanahan’s. just wanted to be clear who was saying what.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Dont buy it but it is what it is

I think that is weak sauce explanation. He could have more easily avoided the collision., IMO, by going behind the net. Tootoo didnt, IMO, Have that option

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Would have been funny to see Tootoo try to stop

I don’t know that I’ve ever seen full-speed Tootoo attempt a quick stop. He’s not a very good skater (though he’s fast), and that probably contributed to the mess.

Now, I don’t think that should be taken into account. But if he blew a tire and went careening into Miller, what happens? Probably nothing I guess?

by WMUpilot on Dec 8, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

As expected

I still feel that this is a makeup suspension for the botched one on Lucic. I thought the in game penalty should have been enough. I’ve seen worse on Pekka and thought the Booth collision was worse.

by thebradymachine on Dec 6, 2011 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

I think you hit it spot on. If Lucic had been suspended, this would’ve either been a fine, one game or no suspension. They had to give something so people would stop hitting goalies.

by vols7381 on Dec 6, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

While I’m already unhappy with calls, when do the refs plan to do something about all the after the whistle shots given to Hornqvist ?

by predrock on Dec 6, 2011 2:00 PM EST reply actions  

About the time they have to cart him off on a stretcher because of a crosscheck to the back.

by vols7381 on Dec 6, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

They’ll penalize hard hockey plays but not the cheap stuff.

by thebradymachine on Dec 6, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Too Harsh.

Reputation suspension, both against Tootoo and for Miller. Sensitivity prevails here.

I don’t think the suspension is really that bad or that it’s some horrible failure of justice though. I just think the in-game penalties were enough to cover an idiotic play.

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by Poiju on Dec 6, 2011 2:01 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

agreed

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by Shawn Kehoe on Dec 6, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Just lost all respect of the NHL

What a load of crap. I have been playing hockey as a forward since I was 6 years old. A hard drive to the goal with a dmen on your back is very tough to change direction at the net at the last minute is very hard to do. Plus now the NHL is telling all dmen if you are beat just push the forward into your goalie. Forward gets game for crashing and goalie can take cheap shot punches on the forward down on the ice. Lucic gets nothing and Tootoo gets 2 games. What a load of pure horse @%#^. Miller walks away with nothing. Horrible, awful, just plain terrible. This is an example why teams like Nashville will never get calls and will almost always be put out early in the postseason.

by Preds74 on Dec 6, 2011 2:03 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

As much as I think this is unwarranted, you can’t blame the NHL too much. Obviously they caught some flack for the Lucic thing and they had to set the course straight a little. I expected 2 games merely because the NHL needed to do something. We’ll survive even though Toots was one of our best forwards for the past few games. I’d only be upset if they don’t continue making these calls and suspensions on similar hits.

by thebradymachine on Dec 6, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say we never get calls.

I thought Weber should have been suspended earlier this season and all he got was a chump change fine.
And while I may not like what Miller did, can’t blame him. His team proved earlier this season they wouldn’t protect him; he’s gotta give people a reason not to come after him.

by Melissa Vanderpool Wallace on Dec 6, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think lots of other players get by with it

and I would feel better about it if Miller had gotten an in game roughing penalty, but it’s less than I expected.

by Melissa Vanderpool Wallace on Dec 6, 2011 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

What else did we expect?

Nashville is always going to get the shaft on deals like this. Refs & League are never going to favor the Preds on any call. That’s why the only way to beat them is to take control and score and win on the ice.

by Wade70 on Dec 6, 2011 2:13 PM EST reply actions  

Funny thing

Just got off the phone with an NHL employee in New York. He does not at this time understand the call either. In his review of the play, they should have been interference called on Ehrhoff and a fighting major for Miller neither was called. Just blows my mind how inconstitant this league has became.

by Preds74 on Dec 6, 2011 2:17 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

at least the Blue Jackets are consistent… they consistently suck

60% of the time it works every time

by Creeping Death on Dec 6, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

who is surprised? the NHL has the unwritten policy it needs to protect thier “star” players and teams because its bad for the league if they are not playing or battling for a playoff position.

Honestly, thats horse crap. The Penguins received as much coverage while Crosby was injured. Matter of fact, Sid the kids name never left the lips of the media. Almost every day for a freakin year, we were inundated with stories that " hey, Sid brushed his teeth today without symptoms" or " he tied his shoes….ALL BY HIMSELF!!!!" The coverage was endless. I could make a case, now that he is playing, his coverage has died down.

Someone needs to inform the league to quit making the same mistake….over and over and over again.

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by Predator Don on Dec 6, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m glad the unnamed janitor at NHL HQ agrees with you, unfourtunately eveyone who matters does not

by sfg79 on Dec 6, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Speak for yourself, Hump.

by Hockey Hillbilly on Dec 6, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

As I expected. No comment on the miller swing of the stick on lucic and no comment on the blocker used as a weapon on Tootoo. Fortunately for opposing hockey players, miller is a skinny weakling, not really capable of doing much damage.

However, shanaban should have prefaced his explanation with something like " since I blew the lucic call and reaaly didn’t want Boston to lose a good player, I along with the game officals, need to save face and suspend Mr Tootoo. Sorry, you were in the wrong place at the wrong time."

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by Predator Don on Dec 6, 2011 2:19 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

2 games sounds about right. The league had to do something, but there was no need to go off the deep end here.

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by TNBrando on Dec 6, 2011 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

Two games is way too much for Tootoo

Shanahan’s claim that Tootoo didn’t do enough to avoid contact after the push from Ehrhoff is absurd. Jordin leaped to avoid direct contact. If he had not done so Miller would have absorbed a body blow that would, at the least, have left him unable to immediately assault Tootoo as he lay on the ice. After noting that Tootoo’s last suspension occurred more than four years ago, thus disqualifying him as a repeater, he proceeds to nail Tootoo for an alleged repeat offense. His mind, like too many others’, was made up before considering the facts of the case and the context in which they occurred.

by Hockey Hillbilly on Dec 6, 2011 2:37 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, guilty by last name. Shanaban might as well said " Mr tootoo attempted to minimize contact, but I don’t care, 2 games."

Sadly, now Tootoo really has a target on his back…This hurts our hockey team much more than a 2 game suspension.

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by Predator Don on Dec 6, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

If Tootoo didn't try to leap Miller in that .5 to 1 second

Miller would have been plowed into the goal cage – and probably Erhoff would have been plastered into the boards by the goal cage with Miller and Tootoo all following. I kept waiting to Hear Shanny say that “The Onus was on Tootoo to absorb Miller’s punches by the back of his head, and that is why two Sabres were helping to hold him down”.

by XVIII on Dec 6, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Just right

Tootoo didn’t do enough to avoid contact. He was on a direct path toward Miller and Ehrhoff’s hook didn’t change his direction.

by Griz-ATL on Dec 6, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

on another note...

if Shanaban isn’t consistent with similar hits on goaltenders across the league, then we’re getting screwed. Time will tell.

by Griz-ATL on Dec 6, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I asked before

Is booth even having a discipline call with Shanny???

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe it is what we would call inconsistant. Two plays, same nite, one call, one suspension. time did tell.

In shannys defense, he may have already been on the golf course.

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by Predator Don on Dec 6, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, I stated in another thread miller and tootoo became so engaged that millers teeth and blocker entangled in tootoo face, causing a 2 game suspension to be leveled.

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by Predator Don on Dec 6, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

so

i was reading some comments on the TSN article and Canadians are furious about this suspension. They feel like this was not a suspendable offense and that Shannahan is full of … bologna. They cite multiple other goalie collisions and their non-suspensions. Entertaining to read and empathize.

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by Shawn Kehoe on Dec 6, 2011 2:45 PM EST reply actions  

freakin priceless
jollymania
21 mins ago

absolutely ridiculous, if this is the case Corey Perry should be banned for life. Report this comment!

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by Shawn Kehoe on Dec 6, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Tootoo's Reaction

only 2

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 2:53 PM EST reply actions  

No Idea Why....

…I think this is appropriate.

by WINB on Dec 6, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHA!!

That face!

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by davisca on Dec 7, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

i believe the ref has a man crush on toots…..

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by Predator Don on Dec 6, 2011 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

a prime example

of what Tootoo was trying to do by leaping Miller.

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/gallery/2011/NHL/Playoffs/firstround/s110413_tootoopg-vertical.jpg

To say he didn’t try to avoid him is BS

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry

Always hit “Preview” first!!!!!

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

Wow, I know miller is a skinny weakling, but the breeze of tootoo flying by caused his blocker and teeth to become entangled in TooToos head.

I give it a 8.5…… a little off center.

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by Predator Don on Dec 6, 2011 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

is there any video from this angle?

by RemoWilliams84 on Dec 6, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

nevermind

When I first glanced at this picture I thought it was a picture of the tootoo/miller play.

by RemoWilliams84 on Dec 6, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Just watched the Shanahan video

I totally feel like some of the points he addressed were in an attempt to placate Lindy Ruff and his comments about “open season on goalies”. Unfortunately for us, Tootoo hit the wrong goalie. I still don’t feel like the suspension was warranted. And Shanahan was trying to save face.

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by Shawn Kehoe on Dec 6, 2011 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

Placate, favortism…all the same.

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by Predator Don on Dec 6, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

What a crock of @#%

The whole play from begining to end is just seconds. You can’t second guess decisions made by a player skating at the speeds NHLers skate at and begin to understand what they are thinking. And when you look at the time that elapses between the poke check and the contact, it’s fractions of seconds. How can Tootoo make a decision to go after Miller intentionally in that short of time, let alone Shanahan guess what his intent was. Also from behind, you can see Tootoo’s angle is taking him away from Miller, then the contact from the Buffalo player actually re-routes him right at Miller. The Buffalo players hand is still on Tootoo when he first makes contact.

I can’t believe that the NHL “player safety” committee reviewed this and doesn’t hand down any disciplinary action on Miller either. Miller is swinging at him almost before he hits the ice. How safe is it to have a goalie and three other players swinging gloved fists at a player as he lies on the ice. Hell Miller is actually pounding Tootoos head into the ice. Which, by the way, is a game misconduct. I don’t blame Miller for doing it. I’d probably do the same thing, but it is hypocritical as hell that neither the referees, nor the “player safety” committee comment or penalize Miller for it.

There shouldn’t be any suspension at all. The penalty and game misconduct far exceeded the appropriate penalty or fine.

by helobubba on Dec 6, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Haven't read all the comments, and have to run, but just wanted to say...

Regardless of the feelings on the hit, the fact that he made no comment about Miller beating Tootoo with his blocker seems wrong.

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by davisca on Dec 6, 2011 3:18 PM EST reply actions  

That wasn't the Issue

The Issue was Tootoo’s ‘run’ on Miller – Not Miller’s actions … Too bad though, I personally would have loved to hear the Player’s Safety Committee’s take on the beating Tootoo got from Miller while other Sabre’s held him down ….

by XVIII on Dec 6, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Mostly because Miller didn’t use his blocker, he used his glove hand.

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by CAustin on Dec 6, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, sorry – I just watched it again and realized that oopsie. Not sure where that came from… very clearly wasn’t the blocker, haha.

Anway, the point I was getting at, as has been discussed at length above, is the fact that Miller was beating on Tootoo before he was even on the ice, and then continued walloping on him (with all his buddies) while he was completely defenseless. That bothers me, and even though that wasn’t the point of this hearing, I DO think it should be/should have been addressed.

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by davisca on Dec 7, 2011 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I can tell you without hesitation that during my playing days, if someone came flying into my crease like that, my hands would have been ungloved while beating the guy in the head, suspension be damned.

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by Grizzledbear on Dec 7, 2011 12:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don’t blame him for doing it, I just wish they had said something about it, and either how it really wasn’t necessary to pound the guy’s face into the ice, or how he should have been assessed a roughing penalty on the play, or something. I’m not massively PO’ed about it, I just wish it had been addressed. I understand standing up for yourself, and I would have done the same thing, but I think if the NHL is going to set strict lines about goaltender contact (which is fair), they should also set lines about pounding people’s faced into the ice (because that should be just as unacceptable as running a goalie).

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by davisca on Dec 7, 2011 1:11 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think the League got it right...

Some discipline was going to come down given the total situation of the play. Miller’s first game back and Tootoo’s prior reputation. League took a major hit for nothing done to Lucic a few weeks back. This time the league was going to make it right with those who cried for big office justice in these types of situations. I’ve read several comments about the "lack of punishment for Miller dishing out justice with a gloved hand. All I can say, given Tootoo’s reputation…… SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE AN A$$ WHUPPIN! :)

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by jmkiii58 on Dec 6, 2011 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

BUT

Even Shanny says that the ‘past history’ of NO Supplemental discipline for the last 4 seasons – 1 suspension and 1 fine in 8 seasons. This isn’t Matt Cooke. So really – this is a ‘do over’ for the Lucic hit. Sometimes you have to take an a$$ whuppin ? Are you kidding me? Ever been hit by a blocker? I’m REALLY looking forward to seeing if anyone else gets the same treatment for hitting a goalie in the crease on a ‘crash the net’ hockey play.

by XVIII on Dec 6, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

How doesn't Miller even get a PENALTY

His actions had no consequences whatsoever. I’m sure many people are commenting on Miller’s actions but I haven’t taken the time to read the comments right now. I will when I have the time.

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by Bakht Khan on Dec 6, 2011 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

Total bovine excrement.

This explanation is so full of Admiral Ackbar’s face that I’m only going to argue against Shanaban’s main point: The fact that Tootoo had enough time from the point that he looked up to avoid/lessen contact with Miller.

Let’s say Toots was moving at 10mph (a very generous number). That’s about 15 feet/second. In the freeze frame that is used, Jordin is about 5 feet(again, fairly generous) from Captain Overreaction. When we punch those number into the ol’ TI 83+, we see that Tootoo had .33 seconds to react.

How long is .33 seconds? Shea Weber’s slapshot move’s about 150 feet/second( You can do the math if you don’t believe me). That means that the NHL believes players should be able to completely avoid a Weber bomb from 50 feet away while moving directly towards it at 10 mph.

Shame on you Jordin. You know that clock was ticking in your head. You had plenty of time to deal with the stick/glove/arm around your body and jump out of the way of Miller.

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by Michaeltastic on Dec 6, 2011 3:57 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

You had me at
Total bovine excrement.

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by davisca on Dec 7, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, I like your math.

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by davisca on Dec 7, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Also:

I like how Shanahan does not explain the ruling with ANYTHING from the rule book.

So you didn’t break any rules,Tootoo , but we’re going to suspend you anyways.

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by Michaeltastic on Dec 6, 2011 4:10 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

He should have just said: “The Onus was on me, Brendan Shannahan, to placate Lindy Ruff because I made no ruling on the Lucic hit. Although there were no injuries on the play, and frankly, I don’t really want to quote rules, right now – so Tootoo, here’s your suspension.”

by XVIII on Dec 6, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Puckdaddy

http://pmd.fan590.com/podcasts/marek_wyshynski/mw_20111206_151344—December-6-Edition-of-Marek-vs.-Wyshynski.mp3

interesting take on the decision. Starts around the 24:00 minute mark

Booth has to be suspended based on this decision by Shanny!!

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by bvkv09 on Dec 6, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

Not Surprised,

Saw it coming a bit. Surprised its just 2 games. I understand that player in forward motion cannot stop himself when he is going full board, However, In a league designed to protect superstar players and protect goalies especially when they are in the paint and also taking into consideration that Miller “Just returned from a Concussion from someone crashing into him” .. Tootoo took that risk pressing hard to get a goal that if it turned out ugly he was going to pay and thats what happened.

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by FLYERROB on Dec 6, 2011 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

SO – just because Miller returned from a concussion or whiplash, or whatever category the injury was – does that mean the opposing team should not crash the net? That the ‘rule’ is to stay 5 feet away from him? That kind of mindset then equates to “no one better even think of checking Sidney Crosby – or even breathing on him – because he just came back from a concussion.” You got it right in your third sentence – protecting superstar players.

by XVIII on Dec 6, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

You got it right in your third sentence – protecting superstar players.

Exactly.

and .. any Goalie ~ including the NonSuperstars are protected in the blue paint. If Crosby Crashed into Rinne in the paint just like Tootoo did to Miller. Crosby would be suspended too.

hey I hate Cindy Crybaby (Sidney Crosby) as much as any FLYER Divisional Rivalry fan does but … yes .. the superstars get protected. They help market the NHL. Crosby Miller Stamkos ~ The NHL has a Vested Interest in them.

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by FLYERROB on Dec 6, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Lucic

It is good to see Tootoo get punished for something that Milan Lucic did. Way to go, Shanny.

by 29thWard on Dec 6, 2011 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

Lucic was not suspended because Miller left the Crease and the Bluepaint. Lucic was appropriately given a Charging Penalty.

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by FLYERROB on Dec 6, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

THIS JUST IN -

BREAKING NEWS: Jordin Tootoo is now serving Milan Lucic’s 2 game ban for running Ryan Miller 3 weeks ago. A grateful Boston Bruins thanks him.

RELATED NEWS: Niagra falls has offically been replaced by Ryan Miller’s crying.

by Brenthrax on Dec 6, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

Ryan Miller does Cry me a River allot doesnt he !

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