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NHL Trade Deadline 2011: With Ian White off the market, where should the Nashville Predators look next?

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With the news that Ian White is off the market (I shed a single tear), we here at OtF go back to the drawing board to take a look at which defensemen might available. The need is twofold: a puck mover to play with Kevin Klein, and someone who will contribute to keeping down the opponent's shot totals, which have lately been very high. Allow me to quote myself

It pains me to say this, but the fact is Nashville's defense isn't all it's cut out to be. The only reason the Predators are as high as they are in GA/G is Pekka Rinne - this was clearly shown last night against the Sharks, when Nashville gave up 50 shots, but only 2 goals.

Love him or hate him, Kevin Klein is Nashville's 3rd best defenseman, and by a wide margin. After the top 3, the Predators have a collection of 5thor 6th defensemen. The loss of Dan Hamhuis to free agency has hurt more than many would like to admit, but Poile now has an opportunity to remedy the situation, at least somewhat.

After the jump, three more candidates for your consideration.

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Andy Greene

#6 / Defenseman / New Jersey Devils

5-11

190

Oct 30, 1982

Cap hit: $737,500 (UFA)

GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2010 - Andy Greene 57 3 16 19 -17 14 1 0 0 68

Next, his scouting report: 

Assets
  • Has the solid puck-moving skills needed to succeed in today's NHL. Displays good poise with or without the puck. Is a good team player.
Flaws
  • Doesn't produce offense on a consistent basis. Lacks the size to better handle big forwards at the National Hockey League level.
Career Potential
  • Mobile puck-moving defenseman.

Now, a word from one of SBN's Devils bloggers, Kevin Sellathamby: 

He's been paired with terrible or inexperienced defensemen: namely Oliver Magnan-Grenier and Matthew Corrente and  he struggled with the team under former head coach John MacLean. Greene's most notable abilities include his skating and his ability to move the puck- he leads all Devils defensemen in points with 19 (3G 16 A), with 6 of those points coming on the power play.

Greene's also capable of playing lots of minutes- he's averaged over 22 minutes this season, and he's able to play in all situations. He's willing to block shots too- he leads the Devils with 106 blocked shots, more than the Hulking Colin White and shot blocking ace Anton Volchenkov (though Volchenkov's spent time on IR/suspended).

He's not a very physical player however, mainly due to his size. He ranks 5th amongst Devils defensemen in hits. He was usually paired with a physical defenseman- last season he was usually paired with Bryce Salvador and I expected him to team up with Volchenkov, but due to injuries to the defense I never got a chance to see this. If the Predators do trade for him, he will be worth whatever Poile gives up for him.    

Why: Greene is putting up decent offensive numbers on what was a horrible New Jersey team, and can move the puck very well, which would be a welcome addition to the second pairing. Additionally, he's inexpensive, and would likely not cost the Preds an awful lot in the way of trade. 

Why not: He blocks shots, moves the puck, and contributes on the power play and offensively. I'll let you know when I think of a downside...okay, here's one - is he the type of tough, seasoned player you want in the Western Conference arms race? Despite the pros, Greene isn't going to provide the physicality of Bouillon or O'Brien.

Radek Martinek

#24 / Defenseman / New York Islanders

6-2

210

Aug 31, 1976

Cap hit: $1,500,000 (UFA)

GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2010 - Radek Martinek 47 1 8 9 -3 19 0 0 0 63

Scouting report: 

Assets
  • Can pinch in from the point and make accurate passes out of the defensive zone. Plays with poise and owns a good shot from the point. Can play a shutdown role.
Flaws
  • Must learn how to withstand the pounding in the NHL for 82 games, since he tends to get injured a lot. Is vulnerable in physical contests. Isn't great at putting up points or using his size.
Career Potential
  • Smart, big-minute defenseman, when healthy.

Here's a word on Martinek from Lighthouse Hockey

Basically, at even strength Martinek is used as a second pairing player, while logging the most PK minutes among Isles defensemen.

...he's a smart, steady defenseman who can move the puck well and even provide some offensive punch when he's put in that situation.

Parting ways with him really entails two factors: 1) If the injury history is too much of a concern to bring him back on what would surely be another inexpensive deal, and 2) If the club is confident his contribution can be replaced via free agency or within.

Given the Islanders' injuries to an already average blueline this year, I'm not confident in either of the above propositions, which is why I'd hold out for a 2nd round pick or else retain him. All of this, of course, turns on hypothetical contract demands that we cannot know.

Why: He's cheap, and an upgrade over Francis Bouillon, Cody Franson, and Shane O`Brien

Why not: The Predators don't really need another injury prone player, do they? 

Joni Pitkanen

#25 / Defenseman / Carolina Hurricanes

6-3

210

Sep 19, 1983

Cap hit: $4,000,000 (UFA)

GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2010 - Joni Pitkanen 50 2 24 26 -2 44 0 0 0 100

Scouting report: 

Assets
  • Has tremendous size and strength for the blue-line position. Oozes offensive potential and displays flashes of grit, toughness and character.
Flaws
  • Bounced around the NHL a bit early in his career, mainly because he lacks consistency in all areas of the game. Is somewhat fragile and prone to getting injured.
Career Potential
  • Big-minute defenseman.

From Canes Country

Here's a player who is a very valuable asset and a player who could help most teams who are looking to improve down the stretch.  His contract expires at the end of this season and there is a question if the Canes would want to, or be able to, re-sign him again next season.

There are several rumors out there about teams who are interested in this defenseman, but he is also a player who could help the Hurricanes make it to the postseason.  Do you trade him or not? 

I think it depends upon the deal.

If you're Jim Rutherford, you certainly don't give him away for a second rounder or less.  But if you are offered a Joe Corvo-like return from last year: a high draft pick, good prospect, and serviceable player in return, you probably give strong consideration to that type of deal.

Why: Because Pitkanen would instantly give the Predators, personnel-wise, one of the best defenses in the league and inject life into a dull and ineffective power play. 

Why not: Because his price, both contractually and in what it would take to get him, is rather high. Keep in mind, though, that his contract is expiring. That said, while Pitkanen would immediately be Nashville's 3rd best defenseman, I can't see David Poile giving away as much as it would take to acquire him. 

So what do you think? Should David Poile go after one of these players, a goalscorer, or perhaps stay off the market entirely? Sound off in the poll and comments below.

Poll
Which defenseman should the Predators try and trade for?
Andy Greene
21 votes
Radek Martinek
8 votes
Joni Pitkanen
48 votes
Other
35 votes

112 votes | Poll has closed

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so, who is Aaron Johnson?

Before I hear it again from someone who says that we have lots of D-men in Milwaukee, including one with a lot of NHL games played, I will ask the question. Who is Aaron Johnson, and why – with all of his NHL experience – is he playing in the AHL? Is he that bad of a player, that couldn’t keep up with the NHL pace? Or does the system keep him hanging around down there to have a spare D-man just in case someone gets hurt going into the playoffs. If he is a viable option for a 7th D-man on the Preds, why was Sulzer called up instead of Johnson?

by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Feb 18, 2011 11:20 PM EST reply actions  

Because he’s pretty terrible as an NHL defenseman.

"[Weber] shoots like MacInnis, hits like Stevens." - Jeff Marek

by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2011 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh

Pitkanen is the only one of these guys that would provide a noticable upgrade. Would also have to challenge the notion that Martinek is better than anyone on the current Preds defense corps.

Where is Sheldon Souray these days? Buried in the minors collecting a (large) paycheck? He certainly fills the PP and puck-moving needs and can be nasty at times. Just don’t have a great recollection of his defensive consistency. Might be a dumb suggestion, but we’re scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

by atty123 on Feb 18, 2011 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

If you gave me a choice between today’s Sheldon Souray and today’s Cliff Ronning, I’d choose Ronning. That’s how washed up Souray is.

The Rangers scouted Souray in Hershey (AHL) to solve much the same problems Nashville has, and determined that he was too slow to even stop AHL forwards. He’s worse than Aaron Johnson, haha.

"[Weber] shoots like MacInnis, hits like Stevens." - Jeff Marek

by Chris Burton on Feb 18, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Ouch. As I said, might be a dumb thought… although NY’s ability to evaluate talent isn’t exactly renowned.

If we’re going to bring back Cliffy, though, we might as well drag Krivo out of whatever Russian gutter he’s in. PP specialists.

by atty123 on Feb 18, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Not in the "we need a Dman" camp

 But if we were to do so, just say NO to Pitkanen! Has an attitude and doesn’t get involved physically, not a Trotz player at all. Besides, Canes are unlikely to deal Pitkanen at any rate considering they’re 6pts ahead of the 9th place team in the East. Greene I could see fitting in here, Martinek is a maybe depending on the price. If we do add a Dman, I’d rather it be just for a depth guy in case of injuries, not to replace anyone in the lineup. If you wanna cut down on shots against, keep the puck in the other end of the ice more often!

  Would still like to find a taker for Dumont and thus free up some salary to land another good winger, but don’t see that happening. Tootoo coming back and adding some grit to the forward lines would be nice, but if we could add someone with that physicality but who also can score a bit, that would be a nice addition.

by Grizzledbear on Feb 18, 2011 11:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The Tootoo problem

A great deal of Tootoo’s difficulty is that the officials automatically blame any scuffle that Tootoo was involved in on him. This makes him a target for the other team. I was at a number of games in October, November, and December where the goons would come after Tootoo, and quite a few times he was trying to not fight, but still got attacked. Also there was a couple of really hard clean hits that he was either penalized for or attacked by the other team (and they didn’t get an instigator penalty).
Even so, 22’s skills at handling the puck improved a lot this year from last. Maybe after he returns from his leave he will be able to keep his reputation a little lower key. However, I fear that the only way he will be able to get a fresh start in the mind of the Nashville officials is by trading to another team, like SOB had to do.

by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Feb 18, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no knowledge of Pitkanen’s attitude, so all I can say is I don’t want Poile trading for someone the Trotz will butt heads with. On the positive side of Pitkanen, the salary isn’t an issue. Any deal we make for a pending UFA would only have us on the hook for the prorated remainder of his contract. With 6 weeks left in the season, that isn’t a lot of money. Especially if you get the 2nd round game money.

I would be okay with standing pat, if Cube is able to return. Still think he is our 3rd best dman and brings a lot of versatility.

On a positive note at least we don’t have to worry about Ed Jovo tomorrow night.

by wrandsw on Feb 18, 2011 11:35 PM EST reply actions  

Fewest goals allowed

To date, the Preds have allowed fewer goals than any other team. Obviously, goaltending is a huge factor, but I disagree with your statement that our D is not all it’s cut out to be. In the example of giving up 50 shots but only 2 goals, I think that speaks to the ability of our defensemen to control the front of our net, clear rebounds and tie up opposing forwards. Because of our ability to do that, I think getting a more offensive-minded forward might go a long way.

I don’t know what our goal differential is this season, but I would guess that the Preds have played in as many one goal games as anyone. Adding someone who averages 0.5-0.75 points a game could make a significant difference.

by NashvilleWoody on Feb 18, 2011 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

Our system and our 5 skater approach to D makes Klein, Franson, OBrien and Sulzer more than servicable in their own end.

We need goals to make the next level.

Its too late for it now, but Ryan Ellis, Blum or Josi and a #1 may have netted us Chris Stewart.
We can’t dress all these D three years from now. May as well trade one for a guy who can hit, fight, and score.

by DontfeedtheBelak on Feb 19, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

NOTA.

Go with Blum, work him up slowly in minutes in the “Sulzer” position (aka 7th defenseman). Only way Blum is going to get NHL experience, is if he plays NHL games.

by DonBorvio on Feb 18, 2011 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

I really don't see any of these guys as upgrades...

If we get desperate enough then bring up an Admiral.

The only kind of trade I see as an upgrade to the team as a whole is one for a sniper- and I don’t see that happening. I will be very surprised if the Preds make another deal

"The Final Countdown" is now playing in your head. You're welcome.

by Michaeltastic on Feb 19, 2011 12:00 AM EST reply actions  

I'm gonna throw out a name here:

Steve Montador

4 goals
11 assists
15 points

+9

1.5M cap hit

Looks good on paper, anything else you can add, Dirk. Why isn’t he in the mix. Better stats to me than Martinek and Grenne. Buffalo are sellers, right?

by HardCorePredFan316 on Feb 19, 2011 3:15 AM EST reply actions  

How about this for WTF trade?

St. Louis Blues acquire: D Kevin Shattenkirk, F Chris Stewart, 2011 or 2012 2nd-round pick
Colorado Avalanche acquire: D Erik Johnson, F Jay McClement, 2011 or 2012 1st-round pick

Really, St. Louis? HAHAHA. I guess they are ready to bottom out the rest of their season. Colorado comes out ahead in this deal big time, IMO.

by DonBorvio on Feb 19, 2011 3:35 AM EST reply actions  

I think its too early to know who comes out ahead in that one, could go either way.

"[Weber] shoots like MacInnis, hits like Stevens." - Jeff Marek

by Chris Burton on Feb 19, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Power Forward

Stewart may be a gem.

If the cost was a #1 pick, a defensive forward, and a good young defenceman (with unrealized potential in EJ),
I think we could that deal. We could have given up next year’s first, any one of our D fwds (smithson is equivalent to mcClement), and a good young D (blum, josi, or even franson). EJ may be a former #1, but outside of the Olympics, has he proven himself to be topshelf? Maybe even consider Ryan Ellis…..

Scoring forwards and size and grit up front is what we are lacking. D and defensive fwds is what we have plenty of.
Stewart, Fisher, and Hornquist would have given us three forwards who make their livings on the lip of the crease.

by DontfeedtheBelak on Feb 19, 2011 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

  I like your thinking here, but the one factor Johnson has over any of the potential Dmen trade chips that we have (except for Franson, but he’s not in EJ’s class as far as trade potential goes) is that EJ is big and has the potential to be a stud Dman at both ends of the rink for years to come. Ellis is small & one dimensional, Blum & Josi are 2nd pairing type guys, not 1st pairing Dmen. Would love to have Stewert though!

by Grizzledbear on Feb 19, 2011 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

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