Nashville Predators stand pat on NHL Trade Deadline
by Dirk Hoag on Feb 28, 2011 3:26 PM EST
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Despite rumors swirling all day involving a number of prospects getting dealt to various teams, the Nashville Predators didn't make any trades.
Follow after the jump for a look at what some of the competition has been up to today, and the comments ...
After an upcoming road trip the Preds return home Thursday, March 10 vs. Minnesota, so take the OTF Discount and save money on Nashville Predators tickets for this, or any other home game!
UPDATE: Here's David Poile's post-deadline press conference.
Around the Western Conference, a few of the contenders geared up for battle:
- The Los Angeles Kings made the biggest splash, landing Edmonton's Dustin Penner for two draft picks and defensive prospect Colten Teubert.
- The Anaheim Ducks picked up winger Brad Winchester from St. Louis for a 3rd-round draft pick.
- Chicago acquired offensive defenseman Chris Campoli from Ottawa along with a conditional pick, for forward Ryan Potulny and their 2nd-round pick.
- Columbus got former Predator Scottie Upshall and defenseman Sami Lepisto from Phoenix for Rosislav Klesla and Dane Byers.
- The Calgary Flames picked up winger Fredrik Modin from Atlanta.
- Vancouver landed Chris Higgins for Evan Oberg and a 3rd-round pick.
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I feel worse, of course, but.......
The most perplexing thing we did was waiving Svatos for absolutely no sane reasoning. Poile needs to be grilled by the Nashville sports media for that move.
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 3:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
They (Nashville Media) are too busy figuring out who the new waterboy for the Titans is going to be....
…. or what NCCA infraction the Vols have been accused of next.
by djzielin on Feb 28, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you must still do what i quit doing…. listen to 3 hour lunch
by predswilrule on Feb 28, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Waiving Svatos looks even more foolish now that the Preds stayed put.
As for the poll, I think our playoff chances are worse this year, but I think this move (or lack thereof) will be beneficial to us in the longterm.
by Go_Titans_Preds_USC on Feb 28, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Any change that the waiving could have been a $ move
I know Svatos’ contract wasn’t anything monumental, but with all the players we are on the hook paying for on the IR on the NHL level, it may have made sense to waive Svatos. That’s the only way I can rationale this. Waive a player that has only had a few games to acclimate to the system, but at the same time is likely to be claimed by another team off waivers and put them on the hook for his contract.
We may have not made those perplexing moves to free up budget space for a trade like we all thought. I believe instead we were shedding small contracts here an there just to keep our expenditures manageable for the rest of the season. You could argue that’s why we waived him instead of trading him to a seller to get something in return. There was no one worth trading for that had more upside than Svatos and a less expensive payroll hit to make a trade work.
I may be way off…but that’s the only plausible theory I can think of…
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Honestly, I don’t think you could feel better unless you were fearing us getting rid of somebody important, but I honestly don’t feel any worse… Definitely in between the only two options.
i certainly don't feel better
but i’m okay with it. i think these guys can get it together.
what’s the odds of dumont coming through with a multiple point game soon?
neither
Chances are no different from me. We’ve been in playoff position nearly all year. Once this slump ends we’ll be back in there around 7th or 8th as usual.
2 REASONS
people spend foolishly on deadline day and the caps are only stuck w/ him for 1/4th of a year rather than the whole season
by predswilrule on Feb 28, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Blah
This road trip will pretty much define the season for the Predators. Need to garner at LEAST 5 points out of the 4 games.
Even that might be too low..
I think we need to win 3 of the 4 (particularly, beat the Flames and Sharks and either the Oilers / Canucks, pref. Canucks to maintain a winning streak). We need more wins in order to try to win some tiebreakers if necessary (except for Calgary and Phoenix, every team ahead of us in the standings, so teams in the 4-9 spots, has us beat in tiebreakers). I have a feeling tiebreakers are going to determine which team (or two) has to watch the playoffs from home.
by Go_Titans_Preds_USC on Feb 28, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
NO CHANGE
im not optimistic we will be in the top 8, but realize if we go on the jekyll side we are due a good streak since we got rid of hyde yesterday. i will say i agree w/ us doing nothing rather than overpay for a temporary solution that often doesnt mean much. even if we make the playoffs we arent going anywhere considering our inconsistent play.
I don't feel better or worse either.
I’m disappointed we didn’t move Dumont at least, but the prices for who we wanted seemed too high.
Bet it was his contact - to much money for the returns
by Predatorfan99 on Feb 28, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I STILL BELIEVE
its possible we move him this summer. it wont be easy but way more likely than a buyout. waivers is possible too.
by predswilrule on Feb 28, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
J.P. has a No Movement Clause, which means they can’t waive him, either.
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yeah summer would be the best time
how often do bad contracts really get moved mid-season, much less on deadline day. during the summer the cap isn’t enforced so some team may be willing to risk a little bit for dumont.
I don’t feel bad because I don’t think there was anyone in the draft that would have helped us in the long run and that’s what Poile was looking for. So let’s just go with the kids, see what happens to Lombardi over the off season and then make decisions. I think it’s a good thing sometimes to not get caught up in trade frenzies.
"I am you, you are me, and we are all together" Beatles
- He’s pretty much said the prices were too high for the players he wanted.
- JP Dumont in Poile’s doghouse too, needs to redeem himself for more ice-time. (Probably couldn’t move him)
- Bullish on the call-ups, thinks they can get us to the playoffs this year (Blum, Halischuk specifically mentioned)
- Going with the young guys instead of trading the future for veterans now, though that what he’s done that in the past
Poile gets railed on for the Witt and Forsberg trades. How could he overpay like that?
Poile gets railed on for staying pat. How could he not pull the trigger?
I love fandom.
It's always a gamble...
I don’t blame him for not making any trades. Doing nothing is always an option and it was probably the best for right now. I don’t think the Milwaukee kids are the answer. The players on the team now will have to figure it out or they’ll be lucky to be one and done in the playoffs
The players on the team now will....
have to figure it out or they’ll be lucky to be one and done be lucky to be in the playoffs.
Witt was a mistake
because Witt was a poor skating SOB type of guy.
It surprised the whole hockey world he gave up a top pick.
Forsberg cost us Parent, a 1st, and Upshall.
We got the 1st back for negotiating rights, and we got Parent back this summer.
We traded Upshall (who is solid) for a gamble at a major run.
Worth it.
Why stand pat when we could have had Bergfors for next to nothing?
by DontfeedtheBelak on Feb 28, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
IM W/ HIM TODAY
no move was the best move even if we miss the playoffs
by predswilrule on Feb 28, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
well,
this is our team, now.
so since there’s no longer a limit on roster size, do any more Milwaukee guys get called up?
Just to clarify
You can only make 4 callups from the AHL after the trade deadline, unless it’s an emergency situation.
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4 in addition to all the AHLers we already have though, right?
I mean, we are almost fully the Smashwaulkee Predmirals right now. 4 would put us almost 50/50! ;-)
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Does this include if they want to call Belak back? (for whatever reason… maybe to call a game with Tom)
by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Feb 28, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
scratch this season
we were dead in the water anyways after the injuries.
I say:
1. give young guys like Wilson, Geoffrion, Blum, SK74 every chance to acclimate and grow their game at the NHL level.
2. Call up others who are part of the future: Klassen, Josi etc to see what they have to offer.
3. give Weber whatever he wants in the off season, and dump bad contracts like dumont (Klien, Cube, or Obrien), (Leggy or Fisher, see which one can be more productive for the rest of the season, and tell them they are playing for their job), possibly Lombardi (especially if Wilson can shift back to center.)
and pray for better health next season.
Oh my gosh flyalder...
…you’re drinking my Kool-Aid!!!
I agree 95% with what you way. But I’d recommend to trade Weber for……Marleau and Setoguchi. And I’m so proud of you for calling out Leggy. That must’ve really hurt your pride. Unfortunately I’m not optimistic about the last person you mentioned (I will not say his name cause he does not really exist).
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 28, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
bad contract, not bad player
trading weber wouldn’t really accomplish anything. He will probably get about a 2-2.5M a year raise, and is definitely worth it.
And i am not calling Legwand garbage like you do. His and Erat’s contracts were inflated because of the issues with the team at the time, issues that don’t exist anymore. You can’t have many contracts like those on a budget team if you want to be seriously competitive. Keep in mind i said to move Legwand or Fisher, FIsher hasn’t exactly been impressive and let his NTC expire while with OTT so he will be easier to move.
But out of our 3.5M+ forwards i would say to move all but 2 of them, probably keep Legwand and Erat (the better of the 6)
Erat and Legwand
over Fisher? Really?
The one that drives to the net, hits, and blocks shots, and has a reputation for playing well in the playoffs?
How are Legwand and Erat the best of our pricey guys?
Except for tenure, which (I assume) breeds loyalty?
Are your tickets by the halfboards? Maybe you know Erat intimately……..
by DontfeedtheBelak on Feb 28, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
because Fisher has yet to impress me.
Fisher: .5 p/g; .12 g/g
erat: .7 p/g; .21 g/g
Legwand since 12/31: .65 p/g; .27 g/g
If Fisher improves then maybe move him over Legwand. Basically move which ever plays worse between now and the off season.
I'm still proud of you, but I won't say it anymore, it clearly embarrasses you :)
Legwand since 12/31: .65 p/g; .27 g/g……why do you have to cut out half of his stats for the season?
And you don’t have to call Leggy garbage to suggest that he’s expendable, which is the same thing.
And for the Weber comment, I’m merely suggesting that with the bevy of quality defensemen we have in the system, it wouldn’t hurt to use some of the $$$ that would go to Weber on a forward that score and set up his teammates. Imagine if we could score on the PP? Lord have mercy!!! After all he’s gonna cost a lot…Seabrook just signed for $5.8 million per and Weber is gonna cost more than that. Sell him while we can is my policy……..
And I AM proud of you flyalder.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 28, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
im counting the time legwand has spent on a scoring line. If you look at his point totals respective to what line he was on you can clearly see that ward and smithson were holding him back.
Legwand with smithson/ward: 2G 4A 6 points
Legwand on a scoring line: 8G 10A 18 points in 27 games
this season you’ve suggested that Legwand deserves 0 credit for all of his points. so i never know what exactly you think of him excluding his contract.
IF weber signs for less than 7M(which i think he would), that is only a 2.5M raise. Moving Dumont would free up more than that, Keep the all-world Dman on the team, and provide some money to afford offensive help.
And the PP isn’t going to improve until an assistant coach is brought in to help it.
bad refernce SWFP
that was a bad reference of what you’ve said. i should have gone with how you have said he is nothing better than a 3rd line player. which i obviously still think he is. Which he as shown that he is since returning from injury….So still don’t know if you still think he is just another ward/smitherson/spaling type. Or if you realize that since being given opportunity to be offensively productive he became our best center this year.
OK, I'm gonna break down...
…he’s a little bit better than Ward/Spaling/Smithson. With one-tenth the tenacity any one of them has. And he makes at least two times more than he deserves.
But with those faults, he is still better than them. And Fisher is better than Leggy. By a lot. Because he doesn’t have the skill but he has 10 times the heart.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 28, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
Rumor
Sully is being brought in as an assistant coach for the power play!
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 28, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
The only problem with that?
Sully is currently on the power play that BLOWS. Love Sully, I hope he stays with the organization in some fashion, but maybe just not that one, lol!
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He's one of those guys who knows it, but can't do it!
Only cause of age, of course.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Mar 1, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
GMDP gets a free pass
we will possibly get in as a low seed, at best,
and get dominated, in 6 or less in Round 1.
We are, indeed, a model of consistency (mediocrity. offensive ineptitude. joke of a PP. Lack o’ top 6 talent. Take your pick). And we won’t step up until we either develop or acquire a gamebreaker.
Clearly GMDP gets a free pass from the fanbase, but why?
Santorelli, Jones, and Peverley, Hamhuis and possibly Svatos and Sulzer walk away for next to nothing.
You are telling me we couldn’t have acquired, with those assets, Grabner, Bergfors, etc., a guy with potential?
Or is GMDP only allowed to take chances on lesser lights like SOB, Boullion, Goc and Ward?
He took a chance on SK74. Why not others?
And why only take chances on guys who are off the trash heap? Chances are we can bring in better people if we were willing to give up value in return.
Joke is on Ottawa, in the end, for expecting another pick on the condition that we win a round.
by DontfeedtheBelak on Feb 28, 2011 5:04 PM EST reply actions
Have you thought about a change of scenery? Columbus, perhaps? Maybe you’d feel more relaxed there.
by Hockey Hillbilly on Feb 28, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You ever been to an Ohio State football game?
8 games a year would be worth being a Jackets fan…LOL. I lived there for 6 years.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 28, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Have you thought about a change of scenery? Columbus, perhaps? Maybe you’d feel more relaxed there.
Why does a guy have to take that kind of flak for making suggestions to improve the team?
The truth is neither libelous nor slanderous.
Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
by shoot the puck on Feb 28, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
i've thought it too
seems sometimes (like today) he does nothing but criticize the team and franchise. i’ve wondered if maybe he would be happier being a fan of a team with a similar philosophy.
Such as: Toronto has a history of making high risk trades for potential high risk players, maybe some people criticizing Poile for not sacrificing the future of the franchise for the possibility of getting past the 1st round this one year would rather be a fan of Brian Burke.
Hockey Hillbilly
its right there in the name I guess. You can only root for the Preds if you do it his way.
Columbus isn’t such a bad suggestion. Clearly they aren’t that far behind us. They have accomplished nothing, and we, next to nothing. And GMDP gets a trophy for it.
by DontfeedtheBelak on Mar 1, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Hemsky & Penner weren't rentals
You can certainly argue the cost of their contracts & what it would take to acquire them, but they both have another year left on their contracts, thus not rentals.
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 6:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Penner and Fisher on the same line………sigh!
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by shoot the puck on Feb 28, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
GMDP doesn't get a pass from me!
As I said in a post a couple of days ago, Poile has no excuses to hide behind this time around. If he wants to throw the towel in on the season, as his lack of moves today would indicate, then he needs to man up and be honest with the fans. The “the cost was to high” rhetoric is always his cop out at every deadline dor the past 4 seasons. It doesn’t fly anymore. I would quite honestly be surprised if we finished higher than 10th place at this point, probably lower. Except for location, Fisher has to be a very confused player right about now.
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 6:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
+1
If you want to play with the big boys, you have to be like the big boys.
+1
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Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
by shoot the puck on Feb 28, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
GMDP
did the right thing today, which was nothing. i agree w/ your thoughts on us missing the playoffs, but who got moved today that would seriously made you optimistic enough to believe we would do anything other than sneak in and lose in the 1st round. by my count 1 player MAY helped us enough. thats dustin penner and hes far from a sure thing. did you notice he brought a prospect, 1st rounder and conditional pick. we neither have those available nor would it have been wise even if we did. he would have tied up another 4+ mill for next year as well. so, in my book, he was exactly honest and correct in saying " the cost was too high". it would be foolish to go all in for this years playoffs, w/ this inconsistent team, at the possible expense of the future.
by predswilrule on Feb 28, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
No, he did not do the right thing
Not getting someone like a Bergfors is not doing the right thing. Letting Svatos go for no understandable reason is not the right thing to do. And if you believe at best we are nothing better than a one and done playoff team, then the right thing to do was to move players like Ward for draft picks. Sitting on your hands is not the right thing to do.
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 6:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
maybe he really meant what he said about thinking that what Svatos brought to the team was more of the same as what 26 and 71 are bringing. Next to nothing. I can’t read the man’s mind, but I wasn’t very impressed by Svatos. Unless I’m mistaken, he’s expendible because he was picked up on waivers and couldn’t be traded and didn’t have a contract with a NTC. He didn’t have any physical play, and for all his reputation as a sniper, he didn’t seem to shoot much. Of course, with the Deadline over, it might have been useful to have another depth forward, but he is not a piece that was being considered for next year anyway.
What I don’t understand is why he dropped Sulzer, except for the fact that he’s becoming UFA.
by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Feb 28, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
I DONT UNDERSTAND THE SVATOS DEAL EITHER
but we were talking trades
Yeah
not getting Bergfors for next to nothing was a genius move.
And he apparently was chasing Smid (a defensive D for a top 3 defensive team) as much as any body. Yup. That’s what we needed.
All in all, it shouldn’t suprise any one that we struggle to make the playoffs and can’t get out of the first round, with no signs of breaking that cycle.
Meanwhile, we post thank yous to GMDP for getting Goc from SJ (like 3rd line centers dont grow on trees). Bergfors, Grabners, guys with more rare talent, let’s not take a chance on those guys, while they can be at least what SK74 is, for slightly more salary.
by DontfeedtheBelak on Mar 1, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with predswilrule, no one would have made a significant enough impact to justify trading for. I’d rather protect our prospects and be serious about trades at a better time. Ellis, a 1st rounder, and a conditional pick will get you alot in the summer. More than a 60 point player probably
Then why not use that package you mentioned at any previous time during this season to make a good deal? Why do you assume that some magical trade will be available this summer that wasn’t available all during this season. We’ll be having this same discussion next year at the same time……..
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 7:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
THE COSTS ARE NEVER CHEAP
but they are highest at deadline time. this summer there will be more options cause there will be more players available. and to answer your question, thats why fischer was traded for a little earlier. you dont see many big trades before the 1st of the year and likely wont next year as well.
Why not this past summer then?
Some of you just keep pushing the ball further back to somehow justify why we can’t/haven’t addressed a problem area for 3 years now. It’s always “this off-season we’ll make the big trade” but it never happens. As I said before, if your hope is always in the future, you’ll never have a good present.
by Grizzledbear on Mar 1, 2011 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought Lombardi was “the big trade” for this year. Somehow we failed to recognize that he was broken before we bought him. I’m not familiar with Lombardi’s history or why so many people more knowledgable than I thought he was the shiznit. I watched him during Opening night vs. the Ducks, and I didn’t see what they were talking about. However, he may have been playing hurt at that point.
by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Mar 1, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Lombardi=Arnott
There was no additon in salary by bringing in Lombardi and trading Arnott, in fact we saved about 1M this season when you compare their contracts. Lombardi was the best available center on the UFA market, I have no gripes about signing him. But we gained nothing offensively by subtracting Arnott and adding Lombardi, it was essentially a wash. We needed to add to our existing offense and the only real gain we made was with adding SK74 to the team, but his offensive contributions have been negated by the further decline in the play of guys like Dumont, Sully, Legwand & Erat. At the end of the day, we didn’t improve ourselves in the area we needed to this off-season and that was for more offense. It’s been the same story for 4 seasons now.
by Grizzledbear on Mar 1, 2011 5:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
amen!
preach it!!!
I'm sent here by the chosen one
by Creeping Death on Mar 1, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
As for the Svatos situation.......
I firmly believe it had to do with Bryan Murray, Poile’s long time bud, asking DP to help him out by letting him have Svatos off waivers so he could fill out his roster after all the forwards Murray traded this past month. Kind of a “I let you have Fisher, help me out a bit now”. These kinds of things do happen in pro sports……
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 6:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Dude...
…Svatos wasn’t that good. 3 pts in 10 games or somewhere thereabouts. He’s no great loss like you suggest.
On the other hand, like you, I am also grizzled over the absence of a move today. Hemsky in a Pred uniform is just what the PP doctor ordered.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 28, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
He may not have been, but......
He certainly makes for a better replacement for injured players like Sully than anyone else we have at the moment. Giving him away served no positive purpose for us.
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 6:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We wouldn't have gotten anything for him. He was a waiver wire KHL guy. Let it go, he wasn't worth anything.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 28, 2011 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Huh?
I’m not advocating that we should have tried to get something for him, I’m saying we should have held on to the guy if for no other reason as an injury replacement.
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 7:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That’s the part that makes no sense to me. If Sully had this lingering groin trouble, why let Svatos go like that?
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Fisher hasn't been all that great either
1/3/4 in 8 games
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by shoot the puck on Feb 28, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Fisher has also hit people, hustled, won faceoffs and done all the little things well.
And I know that he’s screened the goalie on at least 3 of our goals since he’s been here.
He didn’t get brought in here to save the franchise, or to be a pointa game guy. He got brought in to play tough, physical, Predator hockey, which he has done in Spades. Unlike your boy Legwand.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 28, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Team is 3-4-1, not exactly the jump we were looking for.
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by shoot the puck on Feb 28, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Wait, a guy not really known for scoring is .5 ppg?
That really doesn’t suck… especially considering how craptastic these past games were. He played like we were winning in every game, imagine (well, try to) if we were winning!
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For me, not enough for what he’s paid. But as always, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.
The truth is neither libelous nor slanderous.
Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
by shoot the puck on Feb 28, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
She is beautiful.
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Go Predators!!!
People keep talking about moving the contracts of Legwand, Erat, and Dumont. To where? They all have no move or no trade clauses in their contracts. AND NOBODY WANTS THEM. Poile made his bed with those guys and now we have to live with it. You’re dreaming if you think we get rid of them before their contracts expire.
The truth is neither libelous nor slanderous.
Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
You're correct
The only thing we could do next season is to buyout Dumont’s remaining year on his contract. Poile sunk the teams money into mediocre players and we all have to suffer with it. But some annoint him as a great GM…….the word great has a different meaning to different people I guess.
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 6:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think Dumont could be moved.
i don’t think he would want to spend a contract year here where he would continue to be a healthy scratch. So during the summer he might waive his NTC and poile could give him away.
Legwand and Erat specifically don’t have to be moved if others with big contracts can be.
What others are you referring to?
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by shoot the puck on Feb 28, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
I assume that he means Sully and Dumont as the other bad big contracts.
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 28, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Sullivan is a UFA after this year.
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by shoot the puck on Feb 28, 2011 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
If we buy out Dumont we wouldn’t gain anything really by the time we paid someone else to replace him
Isn't that the point?
You buy a bad contract out so you can use the savings in a more productive way. If using the total savings of 1.33M over two seasons to simply re-sign Spaling, then you’ve made a better use of that money.
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 7:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Signing Spaling for two years using that money
Just to clarify…..
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 7:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Spaling is already on the team. You can’t replace Dumont with someone already on the roster. Therefore, you would have to probably spend close 1mil on a player to replace him and would add that to the amount paid to buy him out. That would almost equal the original salary. It would save some money, but only a couple hundred thousand or so. We never carry the maximum amount of players on the roster anyway because we don’t want to pay them NHL salaries. If we already are paying him to do nothing we might as well be scratching him but still have the option of his services
It doesn’t matter who you spend the money on that you save by buying out a player, the point is that you now HAVE that money to spend that you were paying a guy who is being scratched from a lineup that has multiple injuries! This is not hard stuff folks!
by Grizzledbear on Mar 1, 2011 11:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
there is basically 2 ways to deal with Dumont's contract.
Give him away in a trade.
or
Hold onto him for another year and wait for his contract to come off the books.
this leaves 2 option to Dumont as far as his career.
Waive the NTC and hope to become a key member of another team and further his career
or
Sit and collect free money for another year, and then retire.
depends on whether he wants to continue playing after this contract or not
It's not totally free...
I mean, he’s gotta work like 16 minutes a week.
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One thing about J.P., he’s not slacking off in all of this. He’s out there as one of the last guys on the ice skating extra drills and working on things.
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That's good to hear!
Now, can we get that type of determination to translate to his game-time experience.
by turd-ferguson on Feb 28, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
You've heard me complain before...
…that J.P. seems to play better with every additional minute of TOI. I like Dumont and hate to see him relegated to his current role. I will, however, not pass up a chance to make a joke… even a crappy one.
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On the bright side......
I am at least glad we didn’t trade for another Dman! That would have been a waste, IMO. Listening to Poile in his press conference is depressing, however. :/ “We need to find more offense”? Wow, the guy is observant! But isn’t that his job to help in that area? Sigh.
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 8:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Can't Finish
DP looks at the fact that the Preds are 28th in scoring – no matter what he did or did not do wasn’t going to help much. 28th in league scoring says were not a playoff team period. Too many injuries and not enough depth over the long haul, a familiar Preds ending I’m afraid. Does not excuse the fact that he waived Peverly, let Santorelli go although received a draft pick and Jones is so up and down who knows from game to game. The roster is an end result of consistent sucess and drafting low first rounds. Now let’s sign Shea because he’s a beast and anyone who was at the Columbus game yesterday saw this first hand as he was the only one to knock Rick Nash off the puck!
Two things.......
First, if the decision was made that there were no trades that could help us this season, why did we not trade pending UFA’s like Ward & O’Brien and at least get some draft picks for them? Secondly, we haven’t drafted in the low first rounds. We’ve picked in the mid to upper mid spots in the past 4 drafts. The problem isn’t where we draft but how we draft. We had 3 picks in the first 45 spots in the 09/10 draft and took 1 forward, one with a high risk level at that (Budish). We lack blue chip forwards in our system because we simply don’t draft enough of them in the first two rounds of our drafts.
But I do find it interesting that the only difference between a team that just 2 weeks ago many were viewing as a legit playoff team is that Goc got injured (and Sully, though he hasn’t done much while healthy of late). The difference between legit playoff team and a team that no trade could really help is Goc? He’s a good player, but I think some need to reaccess the situation a bit.
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 11:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sully's injury is big
3 weeks ago he was just returning to the lineup, and we had hopes of fielding at least two decent lines. Even if he didn’t produce, at least he drew the attention of top opposing defenses, who can now zero in on the Erat-Fisher-Kostitsyn line.
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Agree/disagree
No doubt a healthy Sully (a rarity it would seem) is helpful to our lines, but I think most of us were comfortable with Svatos filling that role, at least temporaily until Sully came back. This isn’t the Sully of days gone by afterall. But even with that, Goc & Sully are the difference between playoff team and play out the stretch? I just don’t see that wide of a chasm bewteen the two options, certainly not enough to make us essentially give up on the season, which if we’re completely honest here, is what we did today.
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 11:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sully has been a great Pred
But he’s gone. He has nothing left to give. In my opinion, he’s been so bad, that it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s actually not hurt but Trotz and Poile gave him the option of going on IR for the rest of the year instead of being a healthy scratch. His effectiveness has been zero, nada, zilch, squadoosh this year.
It’s too bad, and all the best to Sully. Maybe an assistant coach to help the PP next year? But he’s gone forever now…
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Mar 1, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I disagree
from Oct-Dec, Sullivan was very effective, both at scoring and developing Cal O’Reilly. Sully was not at his previous level, but
zero, nada, zilch, squadoosh? He was an important part of us winning 17 of our first 34 games (the definition of mediocre, yes) but who else was showing up during that part of the season?
by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Mar 1, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Klasen
With no deadline deal made and Sully and Goc out, I just don’t understand why you don’t call up Klasen. Give him limited time with Blake, who he was playing well with in Milwaukee. Put him out there on the PP and see what happens. It might spark something, it might not.
It would seem to me that.....
we just refuse to consider, whether it be a player like Bergfors from outside the organization or Klasen within the organization, using players who have an offense first type mindset. I understand the need to be sound defensively, but it can come at a cost.
by Grizzledbear on Feb 28, 2011 11:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
With Trotz
They have to be as good as Kariya to excuse the lack of defense. I’m sure he can learn like Kostitsyn did though. His lack of size might he a consideration, but he isn’t much smaller than Sullivan.
And that is super annoying, that we would do that. I mean, Pekka can stop goals, we don’t need all this defense, we need to score more than 2/3 goals a game.
"Who own da chiefs?!"
Quite literally
the only two players I have ever seen Trotz excuse on defense are Kariya and Arnott.
He sorta gave in on Rads
After a while he sorta backed off. He definitely didn’t turn the other way like he did with Arnott and Kariya.
Klasen is injured
He’s been injured for over a week and is not playing with Milwaukee right now. He has an upper body injury and is not with the team on their current road trip.
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Honestly though, would he be getting the call anyway? I don’t see him as a the guy who can save our season by any stretch, but he’s the best offensive forward we have in Milwaukee right now, which is kind of sad to be honest…..
by Grizzledbear on Mar 1, 2011 12:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, he is not a savior
I don’t know if Klasen fits in this roster, but I have to think he’d have been given at least a look if he was healthy when Sullivan went down. Halischuk is fine playing on the fourth line, but if they considered sticking Klasen into Sully’s spot with Legwand and Hornqvist then he could have gotten the call.
Honestly though, I think Wilson is a much better fit there…
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How bout Lundmark?
couldn’t resist :)
by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Mar 1, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Fantastic!
You always bring good news, Seth.
I do my best!
I think I just pay attention more to the Admirals than most. So when people see stats they aren’t necessarily aware of injuries or trends necessarily. That’s why I’m usually the bearer of bad news in these situations…
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Klasen injured
Klasen is hurt and hasn’t played in a couple of weeks. He didn’t even make the road trip along with Josi who is also hurt.
Dumont
Don’t be surprised if Dumont starts to turn it on if he gets to play. He is notorious for late season surges and of course good playoff performances. He did this crap in Buffalo too. I remember when we 1st got him, a buffalo fan got on HF boards and said you will hate him til the end of the season and the playoffs. That’s kinda been true for his whole tenure here. Reading Dirk’s comment about Dumont being the last guy on the ice at practice makes me think he is getting into game shape.
To avoid injury, or maybe he doesn’t think it means much til it gets closer to the playoffs. Zidlicky started doing the same thing after he missed two straight playoff series with injuries. Zidlicky use to be the hardest working dude on the ice. He would hustle for everything. Z’s slide in performance also coincided with his 1st real contract too. So, maybe getting paid had something to do with it too.
Counting on Dumont to have a late season resurgence is not something I would, well, count on.
by Grizzledbear on Mar 1, 2011 12:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Am I the only person that finds it amusing that the fans vote 69% for “worse” while Kevin Allen has the Preds in his top 15 most improved teams list?
That Allen thinks we’ve improved by doing nothing at the deadline to improve ourselves is amusing to me.
by Grizzledbear on Mar 1, 2011 1:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We didn't add today, but...
Considering the deadline period has started earlier and earlier each season, we did add Mike Fisher two weeks ago and our main trade asset, Jon Blum, went from the guy to get the guy to THE GUY on defense.
Honestly, after Fisher was acquired I felt that this team was one veteran D away from being a legitimate contender to go deep in the playoffs. A few injuries later, especially the injury to Goc, and we’re scrambling again. This roster is close…they’ve been generating scoring chances every game. They just need to start burying them!
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The main difference...
Was like Crispy said in the post game: Players went to the net. Hornqvist was barely going there anymore. In the CBJ game, Legwand, Erat, Fisher, were all at the net. This is what we need, not pretty passes or pretty goals – dirty goals from those hard areas. They all count the same.
That reminds me of a Steve Martin joke.....
on how to become a millionaire……first, get a million dollars! Our problem is that we can’t bury our scoring chances because our players lack scoring ability. To think suddenly they will all of sudden find the Brett Hull touch is as realistic as me winning the lottery………in fact, probably less likely than winning the lottery, LOL!
by Grizzledbear on Mar 1, 2011 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i find the poll funny to begin with
without any changes occurring on deadline day our chances statistically wouldn’t change either. so it’s asking if people feel better or worse about the same exact chance we had at the beginning of the week without any change occurring to cause a change in the feelings.
But other teams did make changes......
You have to look at how we stack up after the trade deadline not only with what we did or did not do versus what other teams did or did not do. The Kings certainly improved themselves, the Hawks at least filled a need at defense, the Ducks can beat the crap out of everyone now, LOL. So the poll question is legit.
by Grizzledbear on Mar 1, 2011 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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