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The Damndest Trade You Ever Saw: When Mr. Carrie Underwood Came to Nash Vegas

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In the opening scene of Robert Altman's 1975 classic Nashville, Opal, a reporter from the BBC, supposedly filming a documentary about Nashville, visits a recording studio to interview country music stars. She first interrupts the session of fictional Grand Ole Opry staple Haven Hamilton. So Hamilton's son, Bud, takes Opal to a nearby studio, where the Fisk Jubilee Singers are recording with a white gospel singer.

Bud Hamilton is his father's manager and notably unlike his father in that he grew up in Nashville, has no Southern accent, and attended Harvard Business School. When he and Opal enter the Jubilee Singers' recording, they exchange these classic lines:

Opal: "Is she a missionary?"

Bud: "No--she's not. She's a gospel singer. She's the wife of our attorney." 

Opal justifies her off-color question with a boast about a previous documentary in Kenya. Without the slightest hint of irony, she compares the gospel singer surrounded by Fisk students to a white missionary converting indigenous Kenyan tribes to Christianity. A growing look of concern occupies Bud's face.

This exchange typifies Opal's character--preoccupied with her own wordiness, while unknowingly revealing herself to be a total dope. Throughout the film, she chases country music stars and records cliched, faux-poetic descriptions of meaningless settings, all while ignoring real Nashvillians. Her best line, however, comes in that first scene: 

"Look at that rhythm--it's fantastic. You know, it's funny--you can tell it's come down in the genes through ages and ages and hundreds of years, but it's there. Take off those robes and one is in darkest Africa. I can just see their naked, frenzied bodies dancing to the beat."

Bud's eyes widen as his smile slowly dissolves into an unsure smirk. He gives her that look--you know, the bemused incredulity that sits halfway between "You've got to be kidding me!" and "You ain't from around here, are you, hon?"

Attention Canadian-based North American hockey press: you are Opal and Nashville is giving you that look. 

Star-divide

The night of February 11, 2011, the Nashville Predators acquired Mike Fisher from the Ottawa Senators in exchange for Nashville's first round pick and a second pick conditional on the Predators making the playoffs. The Predators, in the thick of a playoff run, had just learned center Marcel Goc would require season-ending shoulder surgery. Goc's injury left the Predators without three of their opening-night centers and scrambling for cohesive offensive lines. 

That night, however, the website of Nashville's preeminent newspaper, The Tennessean, infamously read, "Carrie Underwood's husband acquired by Nashville Predators." TSN's Sportscentre, the Canadian knock-off of Sportscenter, spent a decent bit of their trade-coverage just mocking The Tennessean's headline. Not only have Nashville's fans never heard of Mike Fisher, they're too obsessed with country music to care! 

Nashville's ignorance was a funny joke for the rest of the league, but a joke that betrayed a very serious sentiment. The Tennessean confirmed for Canadian fans what they already knew about the American South: not only did they not deserve hockey, they didn't really want it. 

So the funny coincidence became the story. More than one--which is to say every--major hockey news source either insinuated or explicitly suggested Carrie Underwood's presence would boost Nashville's attendance. Predators' General Manager David Poile had to give a formal response to the idea that an Underwood-attendance-boost was part of the organization's master plan: "I'm the hockey guy and I made a hockey trade. But if there is residual benefit from Carrie Underwood being at more games, that would be fabulous."

Country music is not Nashville's culture. Country music is Nashville's chief export--people go to Bridgestone Arena to see country music stars like people go to Pittsburgh's Consol Energy Center to marvel at its steel support structure. If you think even one fan went to a Predators game to see Carrie Underwood this season, you are completely deluded. But you're not alone, and I'm here to help. 

HONKY TONKIN' WITH SHANE O'BRIEN

When the Predators traveled to British Columbia for the first time this season, the return of problem-child Shane O`Brien was a big story in Vancouver. Before a January 26 morning skate, the Vancouver press huddled around O'Brien's locker, giddy to hear what their former favorite source for controversial quotes had to say. 

Reporter: "Have you been to Tootsie's?"

O'Brien: "I don't even know where Tootsie's is." 

*Everyone laughs*

The question was telling. The answer was perfect. 

The reporter essentially asked O'Brien if he was up to his old tricks. O'Brien, dubbed the "Roxy Roller" by the Canucks' beat writers, was once infamous for frequenting the Vancouver night club The Roxy. And in the mind of the interviewer, Tootsie's World Famous Orchid Lounge represented Nashville's analogue. 

The Roxy is a nightclub. Tootsie's is a honky-tonk. Red velvet curtains hang on the wall of The Roxy. A grimy black and white picture of Hank Williams Sr. hangs on the wall of Tootsie's. There are nightclubs in Nashville. Tootsie's is not one. 

If the Vancouver media think Tootsie's is Nashville's version of the nightclub, however, that would explain a lot. The Bridgestone Arena sits on Broadway, a street of honkey-tonks, barbecue joints, and western clothiers. It's possible that a visiting reporter might walk down Broadway and think he's seeing Nashville's country-fried substitutes for nightclubs, fine dining, and the Banana Republic. He might think this is Nashville and the people walking past him, wearing "TAPOUT" shirts, cowboy boots, and fanny packs are Nashvillians.

It's not and they're not. Broadway is a facade--a western film's set painted on four blocks of store fronts stretching from the arena to the river. It's a big bug light for the people who haven't missed a Fan Fair in 20 years--a charming and historically significant bug light, but a bug light nonetheless. The only reason I ever had to go down Broadway growing up was to see the Preds.

And that's why O'Brien's answer was perfect--Tootsie's is right across the street from the Bridgestone Arena. 100 feet away, tops. No joke--you can look into Tootsie's from certain parts of the arena's upper deck walkway. 

Nashville is a city of suburbs. Nobody lives downtown. There is no ultra-hip dance crowd in Tootsie's for O'Brien to pound shots with. O'Brien probably lives in Franklin with the rest of the Predators and Titans, driving downtown for the games, not giving a second glance to that little purple building nearby. Never does he glance longingly from the driver's seat of his Range Rover, dreaming of drinking with Sam Elliott's character from the Big Lebowski in a dingy hole in the wall. 

KE$HA AND ME

Growing up in Nashville in the late nineties was a little odd, caught between two cultural institutions for which I had no natural affinity. Nashville gets about a half inch of snow per year and I never owned ice skates. But I didn't have a ten gallon hat, either. The only John Deere product I ever needed to operate was a leaf blower. 

There are five distinct stages of growing up in Nashville.
1. Distaste

You're riding in a friend's parents car downtown. The Toby Keith song "Courtesy Of The Red, White And Blue" comes on the radio. You hear something about "Lady Liberty shaking her fists." You roll your eyes. The car arrives at the Gaylord Entertainment Center. As you watch the Predators lose 1-2, you wonder how they can skate across the ice so much and only score three times.

2. Interest

You see Johnny Cash's music video for "Hurt" for the first time on CMT. The Predators make the playoffs for the first time. You watch David Legwand score the first home playoff goal shorthanded on ESPN. The lead story in the Tennessean's election coverage mentions Toby Keith is a registered Democrat. 

3. Enjoyment

You watch Jordin Tootoo, in his mustard #14 jersey, beat the piss out of Jeff Woywitka at center ice. The Predators trade for Peter Forsberg. The next day, you're singing "I Like It, I Love It" in the supermarket. 

4. Understanding

Surfing Wikipedia, you read where a guy named Dave Pahanish wrote Toby Keith's latest overtly patriotic screed. You go see him play the Bluebird Cafe. Watching the Olympics live, you start rewinding the parts where Ryan Suter is skating backwards, noting how he subtly cuts off all the attacking forward's angles to the goal. 

5. Embrace

In the line at Jack's BBQ you get into a fight with another fan about Joel Ward's defensive contributions. Somehow the argument ends with a heated debate about the best guitarist in Emmylou Harris' Hot Band. 

You know who doesn't share this complicated relationship with the genre? Actual country music artists, the people who moved to Nashville from rural Midwestern towns, hoping to become famous singing about their former lives. Nashville hasn't been a setting conducive to raising a future country star since the Industrial Revolution. Country is for people in the country, wherever that may be. That's why Wisconsin-native Ryan Suter loves his Alan Jackson records and the local boy Blake Geoffrion wouldn't recognize a single song. 

Ironically, the music Shane O'Brien fist-pumped to in Vancouver was more likely a true Nashville product than anything he'd hear in Tootsie's. Club scene staple Ke$ha grew up in the area, with parents in the music business. Her first demo tape featured a "gorgeously sung, self-penned country ballad" and "a gobsmackingly awful trip-hop track." Guess which got her signed? 

Yet, for pursuing a career seemingly antithetical to that of a country star, Ke$ha's music embodies the tenuous relationship of Nashville and the music it produces. By balancing her over-produced dance hits with the slightest hints of irony, she subtly suggests the whole thing to be elaborate joke, enabling those, who might otherwise feel guilty, to enjoy her music under the pretense of "getting it." 

Which is all to say, Nashvillians realize a lot of country music is mass-produced lowest-common-denominator crap. Thanks for telling us a joke we all laughed at before you walked in the room. But that's true of any genre of music. And Nashville's brand of gentle self-deprecating ribbing is as honest a coping mechanism as any.

Next time you walk down Broadway, look in the window with the souvenir T-shirts, the ones with the chicken that read, "Viva, Nash Vegas!" Yea, you're really in the country--just like you're really standing next to the Great Pyramids or the under Eiffel Tower in Las Vegas. 

LET US PREY

When country music was slightly less of a cash cow and more of a respectable art form--before country pop became synonymous with the whole genre--the Ryman Auditorium was the home of the Grand Ole Opry, the "Mother Church of Country Music." In a sense, the honkey tonks around the Bridgestone Arena are vestigial from that era, before Nashville banished the worst kitsch to its own suburb/theme park/quarantine.

Now, in the so-called "buckle of the Bible belt," this city of 799 Christian churches, the cultural and spiritual epicenter of the city has moved, right across the street, to the Bridgestone Arena. Hockey is our religion, these are our saints, and these are our prayers. Will the congregation please rise and turn your missalette to page 43, "Osgood, you suck. It's all your fault."

We don't care about Carrie Underwood, talent competition winner from Muskogee, Oklahoma, because she doesn't represent us or our city. But Mike Fisher, unassuming gospel-music fan, dragged here by family in the music business? Sounds like a Nashvillian to me.

There's even a codeword, I'll let you in on, to identify still great country music, made in the tradition of the Ryman: Americana. The word itself--just "American" made to sound European--reflects the inherent absurdity of high-brow country music. It's a word both as contradictory and as perfectly descriptive as "Athens of the South."

You didn't know all that? You didn't understand every intricacy and historical detail of the music we created? Then you don't deserve our music! All Canadian country stations should be uprooted and moved to Southern markets, where they'll be more appreciated. After all, if folks don't immediately appreciate something as much as the people who invented it, they shouldn't have it all, right y'all? 

***

Opal: Do they carry on like that in church?

Bud: Depends on which church you go to.

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Holy crap.

I’ll rec that.

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Great job

But “missalette”? Boy, you ain’t from around here, is ya? Down here that’s a hymnal or a song book. I wouldn’t know a missalette if it smacked me on my Frozen Chosen backside.

By the way, given our Buckle of the Bible Bet reputation, wouldn’t “The Frozen Chosen” be a great collective name for Predators’ fans?

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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 28, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It's perfect!

Dirk, Rachel, someone make us some t-shirts!

But congrats, your 10th highest scorer has 1 more point than our 10th highest scorer. -Beantown Canuck

by Tim P on Mar 28, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I had any sort of skill with the art

I’d have made those shirts weeks ago.

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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 28, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing to apologize about. Except for all those weird Latinate words like “missalette.”

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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 28, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understood

and I knew as soon as I read the word “missalette” that you were Catholic.
Jesus that’s so weird…

I live in the OC.
The one in OH.

by MattBen on Mar 28, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

me too though

went to catholic school for 8 years. that’s why I understood.
Not a weirdo.
yeah.
mmk.
gonna stop now.

I live in the OC.
The one in OH.

by MattBen on Mar 28, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

fantastic……very well done.

by Wendy Doolittle Coyne on Mar 28, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Preach on, brother!

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by Predanooga on Mar 28, 2011 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post Sam!
Although, I have to take slight offense to “nobody lives downtown.” I lived in the Market Street Apts just before the flood and I loved living downtown….I worked a block away and could also walk to hockey games….it was great.

But congrats, your 10th highest scorer has 1 more point than our 10th highest scorer. -Beantown Canuck

by Tim P on Mar 28, 2011 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, relative to other metropolitan areas, I think it’s pretty fair to say that basically no one lives downtown. Not because it isn’t great, they just don’t.

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

I wasn’t really offended….just nostalgic. If there was an actual grocery store downtown in addition to HG Hills “urban market” perhaps more folks would take the plunge

But congrats, your 10th highest scorer has 1 more point than our 10th highest scorer. -Beantown Canuck

by Tim P on Mar 28, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Incredible read!

As a native Nashvillian and avid PREDS fan, I loved this article from beginning to end! This is 100% true…aside from hockey, Canadian bacon (ahem,…ham) and Labatt…what do they know about exports?

by PREDSFan615 on Mar 28, 2011 12:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

A big chunk of your raw resources, power, oil, etc. etc.

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by PPP on Mar 28, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get out of here with those facts!!

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked the post

I like making the jokes but I feel legitimately bad for hardcore fans of hockey in non-traditional markets (which, soon enough become traditional) because, as a soccer fan in Canada, I can relate to the tough slog it can be to get respect.

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by PPP on Mar 28, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Definitely appreciate your perspective on us lowlifes, which is largely antithetical to how most Canadians seem to view southern American hockey teams.

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, our media focuses on the “THEY STOLE OUR TEAMS” angle instead of looking at the myriad successes so the loudest voices go negative.

I’ve always been on the mind that the NHL, once it decided to enter a market, had to commit to doing everything it could to ensure a team was there for at least 25 years. To say nothing of trying to put good owners there. That’s how long I think it’ll take to build a strong and resilient fanbase that can live through the natural cycle of sports.

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by PPP on Mar 28, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d definitely agree the Canadian media gives many fans a bad name, which is unfortunate.

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could walk down to the ACC and make a video of clueless fans just as easily as I could in PHX or NSH or VAN.

The easiest would be Ottawa of course.

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by PPP on Mar 28, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jerk.

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by Peter Raaymakers on Mar 28, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could walk thru any town in Texas and find people who hate football – it’s all about the same, really.

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by Cassie McClellan on Mar 28, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course.

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I felt like I wasted about 10 minutes of my life to read that posting.....

…..a complete rant/rave. But the last paragraph about country music stations was actually almost brilliant.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Mar 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

you are a pretty slow reader

I'm sent here by the chosen one

by Creeping Death on Mar 28, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rants on the internet? Why I never!

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by PPP on Mar 28, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dirk,

I think this is a well written piece and I appreciate what you’re trying to accomplish with it, but I feel like at the same time as you are trying to squash stereotypes you feel Canadians have of Nashville and hockey you are propagating stereotypes many Americans have of Canada. See the comment two above mine as an example.

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
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by Semi_Colon on Mar 28, 2011 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Ain't my article

See the “by Sam Page” up at the top?

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by Dirk Hoag on Mar 28, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry

I saw it come up in my twitter feed from you. Gah that’s embarrasing

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
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by Semi_Colon on Mar 28, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dirk

Stop trying to dodge responsibility for your words ;)

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by PPP on Mar 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because he’s kidding, and it was Sam that wrote the article – not Dirk.

by DonBorvio on Mar 28, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Got beat to it ;) Also, Canadians are also known for: Kraft Dinner, Milk in a bag, Poutine, Tim Horton’s, and Molson Canadian.

Also, hear y’all are having another election – maybe you could elect all hockey players and settle disputes by having a draft from each side of the issue and play a game; Whoever wins, issue passes (or fails)!

by DonBorvio on Mar 28, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Already elected one

National hockey hero and Stanley Cup winning hall of fame goaltender Ken Dryden.

by B_T on Mar 29, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other Canadian exports

Our neighbors to the north have also given us “O Canada” (which is awesome) and the entire DeGrassi franchise. And Rush. And Leonard Cohen. And The Tragically Hip, which are like the Canadian version of Welsh rock legends Stereophonics in that nobody outside of Canada really likes them, but everyone in Canada thinks they are The Beatles.

Canada is also responsible for Dudley Do Right.
And Pam Anderson.

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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 28, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You forgot Bill Shatner.

by DonBorvio on Mar 28, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Other Canadian exports: Weber, Shea

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

as well as 13 other team members on the roster ….

by XVIII on Mar 28, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

We have a Canadian!

Here at ETSU we have a Canadian Geography professor!

by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Mar 28, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

my sister was born in Canada when my mother and father were on a trip…. and ever though she was born in Canada, they still raised her as a human

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by Creeping Death on Mar 28, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

typing fail

*even

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by Creeping Death on Mar 28, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too bad, if they stayed in Canada they could have raised her as a shining beacon to the rest of the world like the rest of us.

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by PPP on Mar 28, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those wacky Canadians with their floppy heads and their beady eyes lol

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by Predanooga on Mar 28, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great piece, Sam.

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 28, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Post of the year?

My head is swimming with recognition and nostalgia when reading this post. I love it.

And as a Nashville native, I can honestly say:

“Where the %&#$ is Tootsie’s?”

by PekkaTheIncredible on Mar 28, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Great read Sam.

And sooo true in many ways.

People wonder why I have 316 at the end of my handle….

it ain’t for the section I sit in.

by HardCorePredFan316 on Mar 28, 2011 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

TSN’s Sportscentre, the Canadian knock-off of Sportscenter

It used to be called Sports Desk until the evil four letters bought a 30% share and then it changed to Sportscentre.

But it’ll be Sports Desk forever.

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by PPP on Mar 28, 2011 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

whatever you want to call it… its still better than ESPN!!!!

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by Creeping Death on Mar 28, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's true

Dan O’Toole and Jay Onrait are absolutely hilarious

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
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by Semi_Colon on Mar 28, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Onrait and O'Toole

are pure gold.

Morrow on Twins: (shakes head) "You know what they're going to do and you still can't do anything about it"

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 28, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great piece, Sam!
Good meeting you the other night.
Fix this sentence-
You watch David Legwand scores the first home playoff goal shorthanded on ESPN.

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by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Fixed, thanks

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by Dirk Hoag on Mar 28, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was worth waiting for!

Nice job outta you, Sammy, P.! Very well done, and offered from a unique perspective.

However I have to ask, when did Toots ever wear #14? I only recall him wearing 55 when he first arrived, because at the time, Greg Johnson wore 22 (but I guess, given the Preds typeface, 55 backwards is about as close to 22 as you can get).

Then when Johnson was traded to Detroit, Toots swooped in and got his logical/natural number.

But a great post indeed!

by ajinnashville on Mar 28, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

According to Hockey-Reference.com, Toots did wear #14 during the 2005-6 season. Perhaps just for a few games? I don’t recall.

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by Dirk Hoag on Mar 28, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I added the link to that fight over at HockeyFights.com in the article above. Wow, what a pasting…

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by Dirk Hoag on Mar 28, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

my favorite fight of his still might be the one against Ryan Wilson a couple weeks ago. Talk about a drumming.

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by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wore it during the season we had Danny Markov iirc. Being more of a vet, Tootoo acquiesced to giving him the 55 he had worn before, so he picked 14 since Johnson still had 22.

by OddManRush on Mar 28, 2011 2:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ahhh. Thanks for the memories, OMR!

I knew he started off with 55 when he came up in 03-04. Then came the lockout, and Markov for just the one season in 05-06. Toots only played 34 games that season, which is prolly why I didn’t realized he’d switched…or why Markov was strangely getting into so many fights… ;)

Then after Captain Johnson was gone that summer, Toots claimed 22 prior to the 06-07 seson. Once again, good brain cells gone bad! LOL

by ajinnashville on Mar 28, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yerdon, on SB Nation?!

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He heard our girls were better looking.

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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 28, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, thanks! ;o)

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by Cassie McClellan on Mar 28, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent piece… you point out the silliness of the argument that making something accessible gives you the right to declare where it should go… Good read.

You're welcome...

by SlapShot Radio on Mar 28, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Terrific read

Your style is outstanding, I’ve got to say, and I love the way you organized the piece under different sub-heads. Terrific stuff, all in all.

I will say, though, that just about any city deals with this type of stereotyping to some degree—it’s especially pronounced in Nashville because country music is so centred on your city. Ottawa is a boring, sleepy government town, even though it’s got ample indie culture and is going through a bit of a cultural ‘golden age’ right now. You guys have it tough if you’re trying to fight against the country stereotypes, but each major city has their own stereotypes to try and break free from.

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by Peter Raaymakers on Mar 28, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Wait, cities get stereotypes? Get the eff outta here.

/throws a snowball at Santa

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by Travis Hughes on Mar 28, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Slow clap

I hate to say it, but since we’re all sharing our feelings here.

I pre-assumed that all you Philly cats would be the “snowballs at Santa” type, but when the Preds played the Flyers this year, there was a lot of very entertaining banter between OtF and BSH. We even took a field trip for the second period. I found the Broad Street gang very , dare I say, nice and a group who were very gracious to us yokels from a non-traditional market. Totally changed my pre-conceived notions.

A trio of Montrealers (?) in Habs jerseys sat next to me in 303 Saturday and they were, similarly, totally gracious, not at all insulting and actually had a great time. They even joined in the chants, which I enjoyed.

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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 28, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

This is my favorite of the day.

Now off to go grill up that possum I just ran over.

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by Patten on Mar 28, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha!

But congrats, your 10th highest scorer has 1 more point than our 10th highest scorer. -Beantown Canuck

by Tim P on Mar 28, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Classic!

Excellent Travis! :)

You're welcome...

by SlapShot Radio on Mar 29, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Random thoughts

Unorganized like my brain:

1) If the pension plan sells their stake is Pension Plan Puppets going to change its name? I sure hope not. Many SBNation blogs have boring, generic names, so I treasure the ones that don’t

2) In re Raaymakers comment about city’s and cultural stereotypes: The Nashville Scene used to always lampoon these articles from national music pubs (and general lifestyle pubs) that included some variation on the line “Nashville’s got more than country music!” These were especially prevalent when Kings of Leon and Paramore were doing reasonably well on the charts (notwithstanding KoL are from Oklahoma and live in Wilson County and Paramore is from Franklin) and (especially) after the aforementioned Ke$ha became popular (even though she’s from Brentwood). Anyway, there were a lot of those kind of stories and eventually the Scene got bored with pointing out how ridiculous they were.

3) Speaking of Tootsies, the fellow who owns it joined up with one of the prime movers at Rippys and the Brewhouse to buy the old Seanachie. The LLC they created to do so is called HTDG, which (before I actually, you know, did my job) I thought stood for either “Honky Tonk Development Group” or “Hat Trick Development Group.” The H and the T are actually their initials.

OK, I’m done doing the Larry King thing for the moment. This is what reporters do when they are waiting on people (preferably H and T) to call back.

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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 28, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Caleb and Jared were born here and they were living in Mt. Juliet when they formed the band.

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's easy. Nashville is "Music City", not "Country City".

Jack White’s Third Man Records is here (of the White Stripes), the Barbershop Harmony Society is now headquartered here. Plenty of non-country music starts here or comes here.

by DonBorvio on Mar 28, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

The last paragraph is outstanding, however...

I don’t think I like this article. The rest seems more a bit of “hey we have our prejudices too: we think country music is for rednecks and old people just like everyone else who is ‘cool’, and we roll our eyes at hot-blooded American patriotism too”. That may spare you some ridicule from Vancouver but it’s nothing to be proud of.

Now, before I get the shoes thrown at me, let me state where I’m coming from:

- Born and raised around New Haven, CT, went to college in Oxford, OH (Miam U), moved to New Jersey, and now am back in western CT. Point here is that I’m obviously not “from the country” and I am surrounded by leftist elitism and prejudice against the south.
- My love of hockey came first and this was back in the Hartford Whaler days… Adams Division, Prince of Wales Conference… get it? The team farthest south with the exception of the west coast LA Kings was St. Louis!
- Then my pride in the US and my political views developed – Mostly libertarian. (No influence from my location nor music preference).
- THEN my love of country music came.
- And finally some 8 years ago (many years after I became a country music fan), my love for the Preds came as well as their city… and it was actually because of my love for their fans.

What I’m gettin’ at is, you’re trying to play THEIR identity game, almost agreeing with them and saying “yeah if Nashville really was like that then it would be true that they shouldn’t have a hockey team”. Country is not just for people from the country and neither is right-winged political thinking. I am proof. Just the same, hockey is not just for people who are not from the country, and I’d like to think some Nashvillians are the proof of that.

I LIKE the idea that Nashville has the “country” reputation. I love Tim McGraw singing when they score. Where else do you get that marriage of a city’s identity with it’s team? If you want me to truly believe that its all a facade… you actually make me like both Nashville and the Preds a bit less.

I loved the Preds after my first visit to the Gaylord Entertainment Center, and it had nothing to do with thinking that one of the guys on the ice was a “Nashvillian”. I loved the Preds because all those people around me were “Nashvillians” and they were just awesome. Maybe the “win or lose, we still love our team” attitude got me nostalgic of the nights in Hartford, but I attributed it mostly to the country style which I thought did define the city. The vibe I got from them was “We don’t care what anybody else thinks. We don’t need to justify having the Preds. We are proud of being from ‘Music City’. We love our team and we want them to stay.” To me, that was country, and it was right on.

A true lover of hockey wants it to be loved and appreciated everywhere.

Don’t vindicate their prejudices by saying, “yeah but we’re not really cowboyboot-wearing, masonjar-drinking, linedancing hicks… we just do that for the tourists.”
You ought to say, “Hey congratulations on cracking 50 wins in your 40th season! We did it in less than 10, but, ya know, no big deal… yee haw!”

Sorry for the length.

by gojersey on Mar 28, 2011 2:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

it's not meant to be political

if anything, I’m saying with that crack that patriotism isn’t political. And I like the country stuff, too. It just gets misinterpreted. I think you have a good sense of the town.

by Sam Page on Mar 28, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

But you know, it’s another stereotype.

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by Patten on Mar 28, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ever cruise over to Yellow Springs during your stay in Oxford?

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never been. I was usually without means of travel. What’d I miss?

by gojersey on Mar 28, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The most liberal town in America. Good eats, cool peeps. Dave Chappel lives there now.

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL… they’d stone me.

by gojersey on Mar 28, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

But not with rocks.

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Anyone that thinks the Preds and Country Music are related...

…hasn’t been to a game at the Bridge.

The closest that Game Ops comes to country music is Cotton-Eyed Joe and Sweet Home Alabama – okay, the Skynyrd is Redneck Rock – but you get the point.

I mean come on – Rammstein, White Zombie, Metallica? Not much country there.

by WINB on Mar 28, 2011 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

well done sam

Great great read.
Everything you wrote=things that have gone through my head everytime I’m at a Pred’s game.
If fans wanna see Carrie Underwood, just go to the Harris Teeter in Brentwood of Franklin Road. she’s there all the time.

I live in the OC.
The one in OH.

by MattBen on Mar 28, 2011 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice Variation on a Theme

…that’s been around at least since Hank Snow arrived in Nashville from Brooklyn, Queens County, Nova Scotia, in 1945. A Canadian singing country music? Yep, including “I’m Movin’ On” which spent 21 weeks atop the charts in 1950. (Ray Charles’ version came nine years later.) Let’s all meet somewhere in the middle—say Timmons, Ontario, which has given Nashville both Shania Twain and Steve Sullivan.

by Hockey Hillbilly on Mar 28, 2011 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I know it’s been stated, but this:

You didn’t know all that? You didn’t understand every intricacy and historical detail of the music we created? Then you don’t deserve our music! All Canadian country stations should be uprooted and moved to Southern markets, where they’ll be more appreciated. After all, if folks don’t immediately appreciate something as much as the people who invented it, they shouldn’t have it all, right y’all?

this is gold.

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I despise the new country music; It is the most inane garbage ever. And Chesney needs to grow up and pen some songs that don’t involve beer. Give me Buddy Miller and Darrell Scott any day. We all judge others and create stereotypes based on what we know of them. The bad thing is that we never want to give up those stereotypes, even in the face of all kinds of contradictory evidence. So Canada is no different from us and we are no different from them. I suppose it is a way to order our world. Putting people, places, and things into categories and then judging their worth is a human trait. So I still say ’Y’all’ and the Canadians still say ‘eh?’. What does Tootoo say?

"I am you, you are me, and we are all together" Beatles

by amyinsparta on Mar 28, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Tootoo doesn’t say much, but usually it’s the crunch of the boards.

by DonBorvio on Mar 28, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Home of The Features, eh?

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aren’t The Features really from Sparta?

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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 28, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Her name is Amyinsparta.

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

JRFAIL

Swingandamiss

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Proud member of The Frozen Chosen

by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 28, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your average is still Hall of Fame material.

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

We still love you, JR.

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Country music

A good friend of mine from Texas says that he has a surefire method of telling whether country music is good or not: If it’s Nashville-approved — and by that, I mean approved by music executives and nothing else to do with any Nashvillains — it’s garbage. If it’s not Nashville-music-executive approved, it’s going to be good. He claims this method has never, ever let him down. And, yes, he doesn’t like Chesney either.

by Oarboar on Mar 28, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

kind of like

the record executive who took out a full-page ad in the Times about how Justin Bieber was robbed at the Grammys.

by Sam Page on Mar 28, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, we have both kinds of music here, Country & Western.
Thank you Jake and Elwood.

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy carp

That is just some seriously great writing, and I doff my hat to you.

by Oarboar on Mar 28, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Very well written

and I’m glad that someone is talking about how real Nashville people are. I’ve lived here my whole life and I can’t stand country music, but i’ve been routing for the Preds since I started watching Hockey.

Blame Canada!

by Casey Hesson on Mar 28, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Comb your hair and tuck your shirt in

Wysh just linked you at PD. Now we have to behave.

"I don't know who this 'J.R. Lind' is." -- George Plaster
Inventor of the AMTWBC meme
Proud member of The Frozen Chosen

by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 28, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yep

That’s how I found this.

by Oarboar on Mar 28, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

what shirt? this is the country, JR.

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You’re obviously unfamiliar with the comment section at Puck Daddy.

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by Dirk Hoag on Mar 28, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

YouTube is it’s only rival.

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read blog comments for a living

I can only imagine.

"I don't know who this 'J.R. Lind' is." -- George Plaster
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Proud member of The Frozen Chosen

by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 28, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You made me pine for Nashville.

I only lived there for four years. Moved there just for the hockey. I miss that town.

"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass............and I'm all out of bubblegum."

by Dumont'sShorts on Mar 28, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

all these people saying how his is a great article…. looks like I might have to read it

I'm sent here by the chosen one

by Creeping Death on Mar 28, 2011 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

You mean ‘have someone read it to you’?
Haha.

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be even better!!! does that mean you are volunteering between periods at the game on Tuesday?

I'm sent here by the chosen one

by Creeping Death on Mar 28, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will be sitting four rows behind our bench on the tunnel. I won’t be able to make it up to the On The Forecheck meeting area.

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me know if you hear my WIIIILLLLLLSOOOOOOONNNNNN yell from up there!

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

My wife and I...

can hear you wherever we are in the arena. I am impressed with your pipes.

by HardCorePredFan316 on Mar 28, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Inherited those from my grandmother. Thanks to her!

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting post but

The thrust of TSN’s mockery was not so much that Nashville is so obsessed with country music but that the local market is so obsessed with stardom and celebrity. In the panel’s world it is also apparently even funnier when a female partner in a relationship is more identifiable in the local market than the male partner (misogyny).

Fantastic job eviscerating the stereotypes of Nashville and its natives while also illustrating the limits of the city’s relationship to country music. I think of Nashville as Music City but that has always meant much more to me than the business home of mainstream country.

But there’s an uncomfortable reality about Nashville media coverage. It favors sports other than hockey. Professional football most of all, but also college football and basketball. That hasn’t stopped the Predator fanbase from turning Bridgestone Arena into one of the loudest venues in professional hockey. There’s a disconnect between The Tennessean’s allocation of column inches to pro hockey and the reality of the fanbase that the Preds have built. What I’m trying to say is that even if the headline had been different, you might have seen the TSN panel mock the coverage the trade was getting (maybe because it was buried down on Tennessean webpage or something) and that speaks to the disconnect between the media and the fanbase, not Nashville’s worthiness as a hockey market.

Last but not least I kind of think your defensiveness about the Carrie Underwood thing made you unnecessarily dismissive of her. Not that you have to like her music or consider it representative of Nashville but “talent competition winner”? Yes but also multiple Grammy winner and Opry member (which I mention only to highlight your chosen descriptor, which came off sneering). And she doesn’t rate being considered a Nashville representative despite being a resident for almost six years and been involved in the community in various quiet ways while Mike Fisher is AOK for other reasons?

I get why Underwood was brought into the conversation. But for our purposes I see her as player’s family and I’d be more comfortable if “not caring” about a player’s family meant ignoring them instead of putting them down. It would be different if she were trying to be a hockey headline hog since the trade but unless I missed something, she’s not.

P.S. Goc actually came back and played after the trade. He was injured again on February 17th (a week after the Fisher trade) in a game against the Canucks. The announcement that he would require season-ending surgery came on February 24th.

by ragout on Mar 28, 2011 4:06 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Obligatory J.R. Defense Mechanism Post

The Tennessean isn’t the only media outlet in town.

That is all.

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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 28, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right. I should’ve said there’s an uncomfortable reality about the Tennessean’s coverage and that this would have been the basis for TSN mockery regardless of the headline concerning the trade.

by ragout on Mar 28, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had no real quibbles

But since I’m reading OtF at work again, I felt like I could justify the behavior if I reminded everybody to read the full-range of SouthComm publications.

"I don't know who this 'J.R. Lind' is." -- George Plaster
Inventor of the AMTWBC meme
Proud member of The Frozen Chosen

by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 28, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pertinent post, ragout

It’s a continuing source of shame for Nashville that its public face is too often the Tennessean. It’s simply a low level outlet for the media and marketing company that owns it, Gannett Company. It’s nothing more than that. If it were, then there would have been at least some small mention of Nashville’s NHL team and its current late season winning streak on the eve of the playoffs in this morning’s edition. There was none.

by Hockey Hillbilly on Mar 28, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

They did get the top of the Sports page on Sunday. Mighty nice of them, oh wait, there wasn’t any football being played.

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who gives a $hit?

First point: Country music is more popular than the NHL in North America. That’s the reason why he gets called Mr. Underwood. Quite simply because more North Americans know who Carrie Underwood is than know who Mike Fisher, or Sidney Crosby for that matter, are. That makes her more popular, and SHE is the story here, not Fisher. It’s all about $$$ not about he said she said. She’s the most popular and she gets the press cause she’ll sell the most newspapers. It’s really that simple. If Carrie and Fish walked into a restaurant in Calgary or Toronto, who would be recognized more? That’s right, Mr. Underwood would not be as recognizable as Carrie.

The problem is that you Canadian yahoos have no idea that you can be famous for something other than hockey. And the jackass TNS writers obviously have no concept of this. Fact of the matter is that what Canadians DO want to do is undermine everything that Nashville has done to grow the sport of hockey in Tennessee. Why? So they can move the long-suffering Preds to a Canadian market that will appreciate them? I don’t think that would happen. Maybe its cause the Preds make Canadians look stupid? That’s the more likely scenario here. You know what? The Canucks are the ONLY Canadian team that is better than the Preds this year. Even the piss-ant Eastern conference cannot put forth a Canadian team that is better than us. Instead, out of 3 teams in both the east and west conferences, only one is a playoff contender in each. That’s Montreal and Vancouver. Is this what we strive to be? A franchise that, if moved to Canada, would have a two-outta-three chance of not even going to the playoffs? I don’t think any franchise strives to look that stupid.

Fact of the matter is that the Canadians pick on us because, if they can’t beat us on the ice, then they may as well pick at every single thing off the ice that they possibly can. You take up too much revenue sharing, as if its money coming out of their pockets. You don’t sell out every game, as if their building is as loud as Bridgestone for any important game (or any unimportant game). You’re toward the bottom of average ticket price…again, as if they had a financial stake in the attendance of the NHL.

Do we gotta get over the hump of winning a playoff round? Absolutely…we all want that. But in the meantime, you don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. And what good would not having hockey in Nashville do the NHL? The answer is quite simple, none. We’ve got a good thing going right now with a good team on the ice and great young prospects to follow. Take for example, Edmonton, Ottawa, Toronto and Calgary. Do you think that they would trade personnel and take the Preds’ franchise? You bet they would, because we’re a solid NHL franchise and it drives the Canadian yahoos crazy. Even with all the money you can possibly spend, most of your teams still suck.

So I don’t know why I wrote so much, but I’m done for now. Bottom line is that y’all play your game of NHL hockey your way and we’ll play it our way. And in the meantime, keep the bantering to what’s on the ice, cause at the end of the day does anything else matter to me and you and to whomever else might read this post? I think not, so the Canadian media can go and hump somebody else’s leg.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Mar 28, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Carrie and Fish walked into a restaurant in Calgary or Toronto, who would be recognized more? That’s right, Mr. Underwood would not be as recognizable as Carrie.

I would bet money that isn’t true.

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would bet you overestimate just how hockey-savvy many Canadians are.

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes no sense Burton, try again please...........

……………..I can’t pretend to understand what you write when it’s out of context.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Mar 28, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point is that in Canada, Mike Fisher was an extremely easily recognizable player. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say many folks would recognize him over his wife, is all.

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 28, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

So then in your opinion, I would UNDERESTIMATE how hockey-savvy Canadians are....

….that’s like saying yes when you really mean no.

And even though I don’t know shit about her, Carrie Underwood is a worldwide superstar. Everybody knows her, even Canadians. Except me. In fact, my 7 year old niece LOVES her and knows everything about her, and she lives in Rochester NY, which practically is Canada.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Mar 28, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't listen to popular music

so I didn’t know what she looked like until they showed her in her seat at the Preds game. Still I don’t think I’d recognize her. She looks like any other of 100 million blondes in the country. Now my local hockey players? I’d recognize my Preds out in public. Most of them at least.

by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Mar 28, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stood next to Spals and wasn’t sure if it was him.

Also I lived in Winnipeg, and let me tell you – Mike Fisher would definitely be recognized. Every single Canadian I met up there was at least a passive hockey fan. I never even heard of Carrie Underwood until the country stations put up billboards with her face on it. And all I knew of her was that she was some country singer and that she was pretty hot.

by DonBorvio on Mar 28, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I could butt in here

I’d split the difference between you two on the Toronto/Calgary debate.

I say Fisher probably gets more face recognition in Toronto. He used to play in the Northeast Division for a hated rival team and he grew up in the area.

But outside of Ontario? My money would be on Underwood getting more face recognition. Ottawa suffers from a lack of national media recognition as a hockey market (sound familiar?) and what little face time the Senators do get in the national sports media is generally reserved for Alfredsson or Spezza. Maybe former Sen Ruutu if he bit someone or a hapless Sens goalie if he got hurt. Add to that country music’s popularity in Calgary and I think Underwood gets the recognition advantage.

by ragout on Mar 28, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Fisher is recognizable across the country,
but people are only really vested (for/against) in Ottawa, Toronto.

In calgary, folks would recognize him, but that doesn’t mean they care more for him than for any other decent NHLer.

He isn’t Crosby or Luongo or Iginla etc., guys who illicit strong responses across fanbases. Weber is bigger nationally because of his Olympic role and all star status.

Fisher is one of the most recognizable second line centers in hockey, but its not matinee idol recognition.

by DontfeedtheBelak on Mar 28, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe its cause the Preds make Canadians look stupid?

Yup. that must be it. Canadians are dumbfounded how a team with the regular season success of Nashville can have the same amount of post-season success as Atlanta and Columbus.

It boggles the mind. Zero series victories.

Fact of the matter is that the Canadians pick on us because, if they can’t beat us on the ice

Canadians or Canadiens? The Maple Leafs and the Senators made us look pretty stupid. If you want to actually go by who beat who on the ice. Thank goodness for shootout and season ending injuries to Hemsky and Hall, enabling us to go 2-2 versus the hapless Oil.
Lets not even bring up the Flames.

Do you think that they would trade personnel and take the Preds’ franchise? You bet they would, because we’re a solid NHL franchise

The playoff teams: Montreal in one year (last year) accomplished more than we ever have. Vancouver has the Sedins and Luongo, Kesler and the D. The non-playoff teams: Ottawa. Calgary, Edmonton and Toronto haven’t won a playoff series since 2007, 2004, 2006, and 2004, respectively (though 3 of them made the Finals since 2004).

You know what’s longer than 7 years? Never. Never, is a looonng time.

we’ll play it our way.

Yes. Our way, the predator way (AKA first round cannon fodder way). Because we support NHLers being able to do the summer vay-cay and resting up in late April. Ideal golfing weather.

Weber busts his ass, Legwand sweats life and death for every ENG,…..why should they work beyond 90 games?

DFTB
First Church of Legwand

“Apparently The Franchise Center for The Franchise That Could, But Sadly, Never Has, but whose Fans Act like they are rooting for the Red Wings”

by DontfeedtheBelak on Mar 28, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you get a satire degree?

With your physics classes from Johns Hopkins? Because that sure was elite! I love some good sarcasm (no joke)

by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Mar 28, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

CB was right when he said you just won the internet.

In Lou We Trust/Twitter
I wish there was something I could do. But What?

by Kevin Sellathamby on Mar 28, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any time bud

are you also upset for Belak on the radio for poking fun at Legwand’s knack for the EN? or the post-game recap written recently by one of the OTFers?

Or GM Poile for, during the Fisher trade presser, acknowledging that there was a real need for the franchise to win in the playoffs to move forward?

Geez, those jerks. Tell em lay off already. Who cares for statements of facts that are are relevant to Nashville NHL hockey. On a Preds site devoted to such discussion, no less.

by DontfeedtheBelak on Mar 28, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post, JR. Amen!

The Preds not only didn’t win a series again last year, they self-imploded in game 5. But we love them anyway. More sellouts this year that ever (at least, I think so). Most of the fan base is excited about the product that the Preds put on the ice. We love our team for their work ethic and ability to beat Goliath in dramatic fashion.

Winning a series would be great…but hey, the Lightning won the CUP not so long ago and had dismal attendance by the end of last year. The Hurricanes, too, and it was pretty easy for a bus full of Preds fans to go to their barn and outcheer their fans. "Cause we’re Preds fans and we love our team.

by LuvthePreds on Mar 28, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

To the sellouts

Most since the lockout, but the Preds sold out 20 games in the second season.

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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 28, 2011 9:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rebuttal

I’d rather have a good team today than a hapless, washed up, laughable franchise that can’t even make the playoffs today. You sound like a Senators fan. “Hey! We;ve won 7 Stanley Cups!” Only to find out that they were from the 1920’s. If you don’t win the cup, what’s it worth Belak? Nothing. But loser franchises like Ottawa (and the other Canadian franchises) have to compensate. But if that’s how you feel good about yourself, then all the more power to ya!

How bout the Canucks? How’d we do against them boys? It ain’t a crime to lose against the hapless every once in awhile. I mean after all, scrub-ass, over-rated, joke, only-Canadian-team-that-can’t-sell-out-their-own-building teams can’t lose every game, can they?

And I said that the other four would love to trade franchises with Nashville….not that they wouldn’t find some way to screw it up again. Again, congratulations on winning a playoff series. Its kinda meaningless though, dontcha think? I would think one would be happier to win a championship, but maybe not you and your Canadian teams. Hey, we’re not the best, but we were better than somebody 4 years ago! This has become Ottawa’s and the other Canadian teams’ mantra. Which is the point of my posting….you have your own definitiion of what is best, unfortunately, it doesn’t include actually being the best. I mean, that’d be like Chara saying he made it to the top of mount Kilimanjaro, whereas he didn’t actually, which makes him just another scrub ass mountain climber.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Mar 28, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

But loser franchises like Ottawa

Ottawa had a run of first round playoff losses (99-01) that nearly got the coach and GM fired. They only had to trade their franchise center Legwand (Yashin) to get over the hump. We are where they were a decade ago. Except that we, apparently, are happy to be first round cannon fodder.

Again, congratulations on winning a playoff series Its kinda meaningless though

And congrats to you on getting to the first round more times than Columbus and Atlanta. Unfortunately, can’t quite congratulate you on winning a playoff series.

Hey, we’re not the best, but we were better than somebody 4 years ago!

4 years is a long time. As it happens, so is never. Never is a considerably longer time.

How bout the Canucks? How’d we do against them boys?

Ah yes. The ’we beat the best team in hockey in Nov-February. I am sure Detroit and SJ fans (if it ever happened) still rue the years they lost the season series to us. I guess they had to settle with beating us in 6 games or less, huh?

by DontfeedtheBelak on Mar 28, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their franchise center

Yashin netted them Spezza and Chara (and Muckalt, for completionists sake), which obviously helped them in the years following.

If Legwand could net us that type of deal today, we’d probably be fighting for a #1 seed in the years that followed, too.

That may be the only way for me to become a huge Legwand fan…..

by DontfeedtheBelak on Mar 29, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

And you've never won the cup..........

……………so pipe down, cause you’ve never won anything either.

Forgive me, I’m not counting the silver seven from the roaring 20’s that was Ottawa Sens hockey. Is that wrong?

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Mar 29, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a Sens fan and I wonder some days at our need to embrace those Cups

But the banners look nice in the building and it’s a reminder that nearly a century ago, this city had some hockey history.

And we at least saw the third round twice and the Finals once, which, to be frank, has kind of been a sticking point in the team’s progress since the end of the 07 season. It’s only now that we can think about something resembling a rebuild.

A Goal Horn Haiku

Hoooonk hoooonk honk honk hooooonk
That's the sound the train horn makes
Suck it, Toronto

by Nightbreak on Mar 29, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

History

Ottawa does have some history and tradition.

http://www.hhof.com/html/dyntm00.shtml
http://www.nhl.com/cup/dynasties.html

Nashville is building theirs. Unfortunately, their sites on the NHL dynasty page and the hockey hall of fame page are as follows:

www.nhl.com/nashvilleplayoffsuccess8greatwinsin5trips.com
www.hhof.com/atleastwearebetterthanthebluejackets.com

And you’ve never won the cup………. .

Never is a long time. We’ve talked about this before. Its an especially long time to go without a series win, a President’s trophy, a Conference title, a Division title, etc. etc etc.

Someday Nashville may have its own place in hockey history. Something other than ’we are not the blue jackets".
Until then, enjoy the Vezina trophy calibre goaltending, the playoff type play of Mike Fisher, and the empty net fortitude of our hero

DFTB
First Church of Legwand
\
“Legwand wouldn’t miss like this in a mililion years”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc7HztZS9R4

by DontfeedtheBelak on Mar 29, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still have Nashville's first playoff puck. The trouble was, it was against freaking Detroit.

I would love to see the Preds go deep for once, do a Carolina-style run, even if it flames out in the Western Finals.

Then again, I’d love to have another run like 03 or 07 here, when we were having hockey in June and it was sweltering out when I had to pick up my Cup Finals badge from the NHL trailer. Never so glad to dive back into the arena after that.

A Goal Horn Haiku

Hoooonk hoooonk honk honk hooooonk
That's the sound the train horn makes
Suck it, Toronto

by Nightbreak on Mar 29, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Missed out

on the 2007 run. That was my first year in Nashville.

Agreed on it would be nice to see the Preds go on a Carolina style run. Its a matter of time, I guess. You can only be a quality team for so long (and flame out in the first round) without translating in April.

by DontfeedtheBelak on Mar 29, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because we can golf while Canada is still playing pond hockey? (i.e. April)

by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Mar 28, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh. Wait a minute… I thought you were a Preds fan.

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

?

not sure what this post is replying to, that thread got a little long.

by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Mar 29, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a reply to Don’t feed

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 29, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure am

but I came from Ottawa in 2006.
Still also a Sens fan.
Explains why SWFP, obviously, has a disproportionately large distaste for Ottawa.

His ’Ottawa sucks, Preds are so accomplished and awesome as a NHL charter franchise, Canada would fall apart without ’em" angle, of course, illicits the desired response you see above.

by DontfeedtheBelak on Mar 29, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It looks to me as though you are as anxious to defend your ideal of what hockey is about as Canadians are to defend theirs.

by JonathanA on Mar 28, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hockey is what it is to every team's fans.

That’s all it is. We don’t have to root for our team like y’all do and vice versa.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Mar 28, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Canadians relied on America to defend them ;)

I'm sent here by the chosen one

by Creeping Death on Mar 29, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, snap

Yeah, we spend too much money on our socialist medicare up here in Soviet Canuckistan, so we can’t afford a real military.

by JonathanA on Mar 29, 2011 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

No military?

What about Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry? The most gloriously named military fightin’ unit on Earth. You gotta have some real balls to be called “Princess Patricia’s Canadian Light Infantry.” I wouldn’t mess with those guys.

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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 29, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Canadian Yahoos?

So you guys are all against stereotypes of Nashville, but it’s totally fine to throw the hatchet the other way.

I have no problem with the Nashville Predators. I never have. Even before I discovered SBN and the ton of great information here I respected your franchise. Sure, you never made it past the first round. But you had a great coach and did amazing with the players you had.

I’m sure there are many Canadians who feel the same way. You think everyone in Canada wants nothing more than to uproot your team and take it to Winnipeg or Quebec? I have to unfortunately tell you that is not the case. Sure, maybe a lot of Canadians don’t really care what happens in Nashville – but that’s because you’re a newer team that people don’t see very often, and don’t hear much about. And also – just because a team is in Canada doesn’t mean it is going to suck. Sure, maybe right now it’s only two out of three that make the playoffs, but not too long ago it was 4.

You seem to have a problem with the fact that the average Canadian, hell I would say the vast majority, enjoy hockey and follow it to some degree. We like the sport. Apparently it is part of national image. Apparently that is not a good thing. Of course there are going to be some people who are not as intelligent about it. When the vast majority of a country follows something (if only peripherally), you are going to get some dumb opinions. Why? Because the “average” citizen is not as informed as you guys, or many people who read sites like these. If you were to ask the “average” NFL fan about the possibility of a team in Canada, or the NFL, what do you think would happen? They would probably laugh their heads off.

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by Semi_Colon on Mar 29, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t take the opinion of one commenter and indict the entirety of the fanbase. :)

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 29, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

What in my comment led you to believe I’m the voice of Pred Nation? That’s more than a little misguided.

Yes, I have been to Canada, and there’s no need to pigeonhole an entire society with one word, especially when it’s patently false.

"Nothing." - Tuukka Rask, after being asked what he saw on Shea Weber's game winner in overtime.

by Chris Burton on Mar 29, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're no a society, they're a country.

Their society is based entirely upon the US culture. There are even deliberations underway to make them the 51st state.

www.canadawantstobeastate.com

I didn’t mean much by it, I’m just saying that you don’t need to stick up for me. And you don’t need to convince people that I don’t represent every person in the fanbase. He knows that.

Never a dull moment :)

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Mar 29, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again

You take one small, minority opinion and blow it up to make it seem like the majority of Canada has this viewpoint. As far as I’m concerned this is just blatant country and nationality bashing. If you really believe all you have just said then you are no better than the “Canadian yahoos” you claim we all are

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by Semi_Colon on Mar 29, 2011 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I never said I was better than anybody either?

You’re talking out of your colon, semi_colon!

And so sensible fans like you should make your voice more easily heard by the yahoos up there who don’t think the NHL belongs in Nashville.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Mar 29, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Their society is based entirely upon the US culture. There are even deliberations underway to make them the 51st state.

That may not be an explicit statement of superiority, but it feels pretty implied

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
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by Semi_Colon on Mar 29, 2011 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

“There are even deliberations underway to make them the 51st state.”

No there aren’t.

by B_T on Mar 29, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't feed the Belak fits this average fan that you describe.

And I’m sorry, but I always throw hatchets. Especially at Canadians who suggest that the NHL has no business in Nashville.

And what did I say to suggest that I

“have a problem with the fact that the average Canadian, hell I would say the vast majority, enjoy hockey and follow it to some degree”
You’re using emotion and manipulation to make me look like the bad guy here.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Mar 29, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

And you’re not using emotion at all to make the entire country of canada look the bad guys

"Playin hurt, baby that don't faze me. I don't got time for pain. The only pain I've got time for is the pain I put on fools who don't know what time it is!"
NM's Chief Lady Pleaser. Just ask eightyseven.

by Semi_Colon on Mar 29, 2011 1:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

But you ARE the bad guys :)

Cause Americans don’t ramble on about how there shouldn’t be hockey in Nashville.

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Mar 29, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nor is the Tennessean the only media toi-let in town.
And ragout, Underwood has been to Preds games before Fisher came here, so she is okay in my book. There is also an uncomfortable reality about the way the Tennessean operates, as a whole.

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Reply flail

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 28, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

this was really interesting and very well written.

I gotta, say I’ve always had a lot of respect for Preds fans. Maybe being a Sharks fan has something to do with, being another team in a somewhat “non-traditional market.”

Anyway, great article! Hope to see you guys in the playoffs.

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by PNK on Mar 28, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Hope we don't see you in the playoffs...

You seem to have our number more often than not, especially Marleau (he’s evil) ;)

Would love to be in fourth and play Phoenix with us having home ice, hey, a man can dream.

by HardCorePredFan316 on Mar 28, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

But...

What about inbreeding, Sam?

What about inbreeding?

(Awesome post, btw)

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by Patten on Mar 28, 2011 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Well done Sam. A post other fans from non-traditional markets can truly appreciate.

Thanks to Dirk for spreading the word or I might have missed this and that would have been a shame.

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by Carl Putnam on Mar 28, 2011 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Great

post.

Morrow on Twins: (shakes head) "You know what they're going to do and you still can't do anything about it"

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by Chuckles Canuckles on Mar 28, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Good post

I haven’t seen the TSN SportsCentre or other major coverage of the Tennessean’s headline – although I did hear of it – but it’s funny how hard we work to pigeonhole everybody else.

I do think we have to treat headlines like that as good for a laugh, it’s just a matter of what we make fun of about them.

by JonathanA on Mar 28, 2011 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I liked the article up to the "we're giving you that look" part....

 But the rest of it is some of the most self-centered tripe that I’ve ever read. As I’m sure Mike Fisher himself would agree, being a man of Christian faith like myself, the Bridgestone Arena is a place where hockey is played, not a “spiritual” center where we worship “saints”. I would suggest that if anyone views the game of hockey (or any other game for that matter), a game that I’ve played for many years (and messed up my right ankle in the process) as a spiritual experience, you’ve got your priorities all mixed up.

  As far as how other regions of North America cover this team and characterize the region, I could really care less. Let’s be honest though, we all tend to characterize various parts of North America by certain things that those regions are famous for. Fair or not, that tends to be what happens. Not something to get that worked up about, IMHO.

by Grizzledbear on Mar 28, 2011 7:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

In other news...

COL is up by 2 over ANA in the first. Woo-hoo!

by LuvthePreds on Mar 28, 2011 10:21 PM EDT reply actions  

PS

And did anyone really expect anything other than an OT finish for DET/CHI? It was inevitable.

by LuvthePreds on Mar 28, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teemu has other plans for tonights game.....

 2 goals and an assist for the ageless one, 3-2 Ducks now.

by Grizzledbear on Mar 28, 2011 11:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Teemu with the hat-trick....

  How cool would it be to have Teemu as a 2ND LINE WINGER! Nice place to be in…….

by Grizzledbear on Mar 29, 2011 12:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Southern girl - country music and hockey fan

I enjoyed the post and can relate to most of it, even though I actually like country music. I also like Kings of Leon. K$sha – not so much. Raised in Tennessee, I’m from a family of preachers and teachers. Most of us are serious sports fans, but I’m the first hockey fan in my family. My dad was a basketball player at UT, and I was raised loving hoops and football. Would I be a hockey fan if the Preds weren’t in Nashville? Probably not. The first NHL game I ever attended was a Preds game. Before that, I was a cheer-for-TeamUSA-in-the-Olympics kind of hockey observer. The NHL wanted to expand the fan base by putting teams in the south. Fans like me are proof that it’s working; I’ve had season tickets for 8 years. I like Carrie Underwood AND Mike Fisher. It’s good to be in Nashville.

Nashville is great town – with a lot of diversity in music and sports. We do like our celebrities, and we also respect them and generally let them live their lives in relative peace. We’re cool like that. They repay us by staying here. It’s worth noting that several country musicians have embraced the Preds. I’ve seen Vince Gill perform more than once in a Preds jersey (and not just when playing during an intermission with Alice Cooper). Dierks Bentley not only supports the Preds, he actually plays hockey on a local team. (see story on NHL.com from Feb. 4, 2009.) Country music and ice hockey might seem like an incompatible mix, but it works for a lot us. Heck, Jason Arnott liked country music even before he came to Nashville. Ovechkin tweeted a couple of weeks ago that Arnott had him listening to country music.

I think I’ll end with that image. It still makes me grin.

by gencarter on Mar 29, 2011 12:20 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Great post

Nice to hear a perspective from a vibrant Southern fanbase. There is a tendency up north to make generalizations about the Southern markets. What can I say, the Canadian media has a tendency to view hockey like Gollum views The Ring. Hockey as a sport needs to grow, and to look down on ‘non-traditional markets’ is counter productive.
Also, stereotypes suck. And are lazy.

-From one of those pot smoking, granola munching tree huggers in Vancouver.

by raincity on Mar 29, 2011 2:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Here, simple.

Americans have a lot of sports vying for our attention.

Canadians have hockey. Sure they have the CFL, but that isn’t the NFL. Also, not the huge set of college football teams. No NBA or MLB (except Toronto). Hockey is really THE only sport there (no curling doesn’t count).

In Nashville, we have two major sports teams. Titans sell out every game; they only play 8 games at home! I bet the Titans would have attendance issues if they played 40+ home games too, and during the weekdays mostly. Predators do have a smaller arena of course, but attendance is usually 90%+. Not to mention we got hit by:

NHL lockout – ‘05
Leipold’s Fire sale – ’07
Recession – ’08 to now
Flood – ’10

Oh, and throw in the whole Basille and Boots messes in there as well. So, the haters can complain about $20 lower bowl tickets or whatever they like. This franchise has been through Hell and back and it’s coming out stronger than ever.

by DonBorvio on Mar 29, 2011 2:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I can’t believe you said curling doesn’t count.
It counts, Borvio, it sure counts…

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 29, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It HAS to count … because curling is listed as a sport in Mario and Sonic at the Winter Olympics … now, biathalon is not on that particular game, so I guess that means biathalon does not count …..

by XVIII on Mar 29, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Biathalon is a competition of two sports.

So, my tactic with conservation of apex predators is to get people excited and take them to where they live.
~Steve Irwin
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Mar 30, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice article, everyone enjoys a good rant now and then...

Speaking of things Canada CAN take back…

Nickelback

Please, please take them back.

by Frattaway on Mar 29, 2011 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I would be okay with drop kicking them into the Pacific

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by Semi_Colon on Mar 29, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey come on now

That headline WAS funny. ;)

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by Adnan on Mar 29, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Fish is the man!!!

As an avid Senators fan from Ottawa, I hated to lose Fish and instantly became a Preds fan. The higher the Preds finish the worse the 1st round pick gets, and the longer the Preds go in the playoffs the better our conditional pick 2012 pick becomes… but who cares about that? I want Fish to win because he is the man!!!

You will all find out what a real playoff performer is when you see how he plays when it really counts.

by Marvellous on Mar 29, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

It really counted on Saturday night

And Fisher showed up. With 2 goals and a lot of offensive zone possession. Thank you. And thank you Senators, I hope Svatos is being more helpful to you than he was for us.

by Only Fan In J.C. ? on Mar 29, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, he managed to finally find the net 3 times in the last few games.

For a while there, I thought the spirit of Bill Muckalt had possessed him.

A Goal Horn Haiku

Hoooonk hoooonk honk honk hooooonk
That's the sound the train horn makes
Suck it, Toronto

by Nightbreak on Mar 29, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great Article, Sam!

Go Preds! Once you get over the hump and get that first playoff series win, the jokes will stop. Of course, the first book on the Preds being called HockeyTonk doesn’t help!

by jbwhite99 on Apr 2, 2011 5:07 PM EDT reply actions  

WOW

This might be one of the best written articles I’ve ever read! I moved to Nashville when I was 7 years old, so I know exactly what you’re talking about. This article explains so much about Nashville so well; hopefully it makes sense to the people who aren’t from around here!

by davisca on Apr 10, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

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