Predators vs Canucks features battle of MVP candidates Rinne, Sedin
Tonight's game between the Nashville Predators and Vancouver Canucks is more than just a possible preview of the upcoming Stanley Cup Playoff matchups, it also provides a chance to see two of the leading candidates for the Hart Memorial Trophy square off against one another. The Hart, which is voted upon by the members of the Professional Hockey Writers Association, goes to "the player judged to be the most valuable to his team."
For the Canucks, who have led the overall NHL standings for most of the season, and appear destined for their first Presidents Trophy, their leading scorer Daniel Sedin makes an obvious case for MVP. But in goal for the Predators, Pekka Rinne has put together an outstanding season, and if anything, makes an even stronger case.
Follow after the jump as we consider their two candidacies, along with a few other major contenders...
He's 2nd in Save Percentage, 2nd in GAA, and in particular, is 2nd in Save % against power play shots among goalies with at least 40 GP. All this, on a team which stands 25th in Goals Per Game, the worst among teams on track for the playoffs.
If that isn't "most valuable" material, I don't know what is. Without Rinne's presence in goal, the Preds would be out of the playoffs and ruing the fact that Ottawa will enjoy their 1st-round draft pick this summer. Tom Awad's Goals Vs Threshold statistic (numbers as of March 7) estimates that Rinne's impact on the Preds has been 2nd-greatest in the NHL this season, worth 29.3 goals as compared to a theoretical replacement-level player. Using the rough guide that every 6 goals translates to a marginal win over the course of a season, that gives Rinne credit for about 10 points in the standings.
For all the injury-related challenges that Nashville has faced, that performance has made the difference between dismal failure, and possible home-ice advantage in the first round of the playoffs.
Leading the league in scoring is a sure-fire ticket to the MVP discussion, certainly. Take Adrian Dater, for example, writing for Versus:
But let's not get carried away here. Daniel Sedin of the Vancouver Canucks is your solid favorite for the Hart Trophy this year. If he wins it, he'll make history with two different brothers winning the trophy in back-to-back years. (And no, I don't believe Tim Thomas should win the Hart, because goalies get their own trophy).
Daniel's 96 points entering Tuesday continued to lead the league, 11 points higher than [Corey] Perry and 21 higher than [Jonathan] Toews. Daniel's plus-27 is far better than Perry's plus-4, though Toews isn't far back there at plus-25.
His argument against excluding goaltenders is absurd. Yes, the top goalie wins the Vezina, but the top scorer in the league gets the Art Ross, so the "their own trophy" notion just doesn't hold water, especially if the main part of your argument rests upon league-leading scoring totals. In 6 of the last 7 seasons, for example, the Art Ross winner has also captured the Hart (showing how lazy most of the hockey writers truly are when it comes to MVP voting).
The Plus/Minus numbers are impressive, but if anything, they undercut Sedin's MVP argument. 5 of the top 22 players in Plus/Minus are on the Canucks, which speaks to the overall level of team performance, not the notoriety of the individual. The bottom line here is that yes, Daniel Sedin is a dynamite player, but the Canucks also boast probably the deepest set of forwards in the NHL. They lead the league in Goals per Game, and have been cruising along atop an otherwise dismal Northwest Division. Again leveraging those GVT numbers, if Daniel's performance has contributed about 20 extra goals to the Canucks' cause, that translates to a difference between leading the Presidents Trophy race by 9 points... and leading it by 3.
Great? Surely, but hardly "Most Valuable".
Thomas has enjoyed another career revival this season, and has the potential of setting an NHL record for save percentage if he keeps it up. Two crucial factors to consider with Thomas, however, are that his workload is relatively low for an MVP candidate (and unlike Pekka, he won't be starting every game down the stretch), and secondly, his Bruins provide him with a lot of "run support". Boston stands 5th in the league offensively, so while tremendous, his contributions aren't quite as crucial for a Bruins squad which should clinch the Northeast Division any day now.
He's right up there in goals and scoring, and I suspect Stamkos will be part of this conversation for years to come. Having Martin St. Louis as his running mate provides nice support, but his individual contribution to the Tampa Bay attack are huge. Without him, the Lightning would have much dicier prospects for making the post-season.
His offensive totals are eerily similar to Stamkos', and also help lift a team that which is on the margin of playoff contention. As much as I can't stand him as a player (the guy runs goaltenders like nobody's business), he's been huge down the stretch (13 goals and 4 assists in his last 10 games), for those that place emphasis on "clutch" play.
The fact of the matter is, elite goaltenders drive team performance much more than elite skaters do. Will hockey writers actually take the "most valuable to his team" consideration to heart, or will they simply fill out their ballot by copying the list of scoring leaders?
I expect we'll be disappointed, but here in Nashville, we know who the real MVP is.
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"...here in Nashville, we know who the real MVP is."
Sums it up.
by Hockey Hillbilly on Mar 29, 2011 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yup.
Predator of the decade.
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Go Predators!!!
Predator of the Decade?
Damn, my vote was for Bubba Berenzwhig. Oh. You mean the current, three-months-into-it decade?
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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 29, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I mean Stamkos could give him a run for his money...
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Nah
Stamkos will get buried on that fourth line with Parise.
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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 29, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm...
That’s an excellent point. In his place, Pekka could also face a challenge from “AHL callup of the week why won’t Poile give this guy 62 TOI per game AIDHFOISADHFOIASHFWEIOFH”.
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yes! Plus is Daniel really that great? I mean there’s 2 of him. There’s only one Pekka
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by Creeping Death on Mar 29, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We didn't really cover it
IIRC, Fanboy gave a pretty evasive answer.
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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 29, 2011 6:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
for clarity's sake
I didn’t give an evasive answer, I gave a sarcastic one.
It’s Jr (as in Junior) FanBoy, not JRfanboy
Or if it helps you get through the night, please feel free to continue to think its all about you.
To be fair, your original answer to the query was “Sure, why not?”, which doesn’t seem terribly sarcastic, but, hey, it’s the internet so that particular rhetorical device isn’t always effective.
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by JRTheByLineGrinder on Mar 30, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm...
She’s probably only 6’4", which is an unacceptable height.
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Pekka is so manly that a copy of him had to be made as a female cause it is impossible to make 2 Pekkas. It was easy to make two female Sedins…. their names are Henrik and Daniel
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by Creeping Death on Mar 29, 2011 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's get the MVP chant going tonight!
by PREDSFan615 on Mar 29, 2011 5:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
my initial thoughts
I was like “what? why would we cheer on Sedin?”
Then I remembered…
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hahahaha! your post cracked me up!!
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by Creeping Death on Mar 29, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice, I was waiting for an article like this...
I was wondering does anyone know how many games the Preds have won or lost by one goal (minus empty netters) when Pekka has played?
I laughed so hard at the Perry comment about running over goaltenders because I tell people that all the time. He and Rick Nash should start a club.
Does anyone know why Josh Cooper is not in on the Pekka for Hart campaign. I like reading his articles, but really he does not have to insert his opinion that Rinne is not a Hart contender. Honestly it is hurting Pekka because a lot of news/ opinion on the Preds in other cities is taken from his articles for the Tennessean. You don’t have to support Rinne, but don’t work against him, strange puck bounces off his teammates have done enough of that lately.
Not intending to bash Rinne
as I know he’s an extremely gifted goalie, but if one is to penalize Daniel for his +/- numbers because he plays for the best team in the league, shouldn’t we knock Rinne a bit because of the Nashville style of hockey? Would Rinne appear as successful in a more run-and-gun environment? Again, my intention is not to discredit what your goalie has done, and I think that he has a strong case for the Hart, but I just want to make sure that we are being consistent.
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by kentcheesehead on Mar 29, 2011 10:24 PM EDT reply actions
We always have to remember that it is a team sport.
This is something people at ESPN and sports talk radio seem to forget so often.
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by kentcheesehead on Mar 29, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how you guys have your players' backs
I do. But there is just no way Rinne will win the Hart. Goals are just far more “sexier” than stopping them.
How about pitchers in baseball? When was the last pitcher MVP? They have the Cy Young.
Similar here. Even the busiest #1 goalie plays about 75% of his teams games.
Daniel Sedin has missed none.
And you cannot say “team sport” and mock the Canuck guy for being on such a good team, without knocking the defensive style the Preds play.
I think Rinne, with Thomas and Luongo, are your Vezina candidates. I would even say Rinne is ahead of Luongo on that list.
But no…Vezina is the best goalie…even though its a political award ( I put as much cred’ in the Jennings, to tell the truth. Least goals wins…)
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I think the “defensive style of play” gets overplayed, though. Preds are middle of the pack in Shots Against, as I recall (can’t look it up now).
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by Dirk Hoag on Mar 29, 2011 11:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The thing that I see
If you’re going to talk goaltenders and MVP, is that the Bruins are dead last (or second last) in shots against per game this year. So Timmy is getting shelled with more rubber a night than anyone else and STILL putting up ridiculous numbers.
Not to discount what Rinne is doing, but Timmy is having an unbelievable season, and the B’s would probably be fighting for a playoff spot rather than at the top of the division without his stats this year.
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