If the Atlanta Thrashers move to Winnipeg, but remain in the NHL's Southeast Division
While Stephen Brunt of the Globe & Mail reported this evening that the deal to sell and move the Atlanta Thrashers to Winnipeg is "done", with an announcement scheduled for Tuesday, numerous other respected hockey reporters (including Pierre LeBrun, Darren Dreger, and Bob McKenzie) are reporting from their sources that there are still issues being negotiated and that while this move is still likely to occur, it isn't a sure thing yet.
One interesting development, however, is Dreger's report from yesterday that the NHL's plan for the upcoming 2011-12 regular season is to keep the Winnipeg team in the Southeast Division for the time being:
...rather than rush in to making drastic changes, doing nothing for one season other than insert Winnipeg into Atlanta's spot in the Southeast will be the short term approach to give the NHL and its owners ample time to consider all of its realignment options.
Sources say NHL commissioner Gary Bettman is telling league owners nothing is going to change for one year, which confirms the theory above.
As Paul McCann joked on yesterday's SlapShot Radio show, Winnipeg isn't even in Southeast Canada! The impact of a team in Winnipeg participating in the NHL's Southeast Division creates a huge travel issue for not just the relocated team, but their division rivals as well.
Follow after the jump as we dig into the details...
The following table shows side-by-side the travel data from the just-completed NHL regular season (derived from my NHL Super Schedule which I publish each summer), along with a what those numbers would look like if the Thrashers had played their home games in Winnipeg, rather than Atlanta. As you can imagine, their travel burden increases significantly, both in terms of mileage, and Time Zone changes:
| 2010-11 | ATL to WPG | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Team | Distance | TZ Diff | Distance | TZ Diff |
| Anaheim Ducks | 45,868 | 49 | 45,868 | 49 |
| Atlanta/Winnipeg | 44,079 | 20 | 66,340 | 50 |
| Boston Bruins | 35,673 | 20 | 38,267 | 22 |
| Buffalo Sabres | 30,124 | 16 | 31,614 | 16 |
| Carolina Hurricanes | 40,874 | 16 | 46,952 | 17 |
| Columbus Blue Jackets | 44,600 | 56 | 45,668 | 55 |
| Calgary Flames | 47,827 | 42 | 47,531 | 40 |
| Chicago Blackhawks | 39,580 | 41 | 39,832 | 39 |
| Colorado Avalanche | 44,190 | 42 | 46,180 | 44 |
| Dallas Stars | 44,880 | 41 | 44,880 | 41 |
| Detroit Red Wings | 39,793 | 49 | 40,581 | 51 |
| Edmonton Oilers | 50,309 | 42 | 50,309 | 42 |
| Florida Panthers | 40,601 | 14 | 45,601 | 20 |
| Los Angeles Kings | 39,348 | 42 | 39,348 | 42 |
| Minnesota Wild | 50,805 | 51 | 52,628 | 48 |
| Montreal Canadiens | 32,910 | 14 | 34,601 | 18 |
| New Jersey Devils | 27,152 | 10 | 29,455 | 14 |
| Nashville Predators | 42,379 | 42 | 43,499 | 42 |
| New York Islanders | 28,210 | 12 | 30,349 | 16 |
| New York Rangers | 29,063 | 14 | 31,542 | 18 |
| Ottawa Senators | 32,157 | 16 | 33,799 | 20 |
| Philadelphia Flyers | 29,716 | 14 | 32,408 | 16 |
| Phoenix Coyotes | 53,843 | 59 | 53,843 | 53 |
| Pittsburgh Penguins | 28,948 | 12 | 30,551 | 15 |
| San Jose Sharks | 56,254 | 57 | 56,254 | 54 |
| St. Louis Blues | 41,473 | 42 | 42,239 | 40 |
| Tampa Bay Lightning | 40,522 | 14 | 47,485 | 20 |
| Toronto Maple Leafs | 33,470 | 16 | 33,686 | 18 |
| Vancouver Canucks | 51,213 | 55 | 52,001 | 57 |
| Washington Capitals | 31,858 | 14 | 35,363 | 19 |
| Average | 39,924 | 31 | 42,289 | 34 |
The TZ Diff column shows the number of time zones crossed for a given team over the course of the season, i.e. playing one game in Boston, with the next in Los Angeles, is a shift in 3 time zones (Eastern to Pacific), and those values are summed up over the course of the season here.
The "Winnipeg Thrashers" would travel over 66,000 miles, over 10,000 more miles than any team has gone in the last 3 seasons. That would rank right up there in terms of difficulty with the 1992-93 Tampa Bay Lightning, who played in the old Norris Division before moving to the Eastern Conference the next season.
Their rivals in the Southeast would all face increased travel as well, since they'd have to make the required 3 trips to Manitoba rather than nearby Georgia. That said, given the continuing lack of a long-term solution to the Phoenix Coyotes issue, this may be the prudent path to take for the upcoming season.
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Realignment
Let the horse-trading begin.
by Hockey Hillbilly on May 19, 2011 10:47 PM EDT reply actions
Thrashers? I thought they were going to be called the Winnipeg Second Chances?
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by Creeping Death on May 20, 2011 12:40 AM EDT reply actions
Me Too-Maybe
How ’bout, “The Winnipeg Winers?”
"I will give my all for Tennessee, Thrashers, and Falcons Today."
I thought, due to truth in labeling, that the Canucks were going to have to change their name to the Whiners after this season. They are up to their whining again after that last game
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by Creeping Death on May 20, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I always liked Loseipeg myself, LOL! :D
Couldn’t resist it. :)
by Grizzledbear on May 20, 2011 8:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
actually...
i heard it was going to be the Manitoba Moose. Winnipeg was not going to be in the team name…..
how about the Manitoba Maybes. As in, maybe we’ll support this team better than the Jets.
TN Sports fan in Hoosier Country....
Thrasher fans are overlooking the most simple and easy thing they could do to keep their team from being moved to Canada…. threaten military action. Canada would wave their white flag (the one without that leaf and red bars which coincidentally looks a lot like an art project I made in preschool) so fast it would make you say “eh” (and I don’t mean in the cool way like the Fonz would say it)
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by Creeping Death on May 20, 2011 12:54 AM EDT reply actions
This is too easy
Winnipeg to the Northwest, Minnesota to the Central, and the Predators to the Southeast. Not that I personally would like to see such an arrangement, because I would miss seeing the Wings and Hawks three times a year. But speaking strictly in terms of logistics it seems to make the most sense. Under the present 30 team format, of course. Add two more teams and it’s a major shuffle.
The truth is neither libelous nor slanderous.
Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
Should the travel time be readjusted
For the teams that played openers overseas in Europe; e.g. calculating it as if they had played in their actual home arenas? Or did you already do that?
I feel like it would make a difference, especially in the TZ chages. Of the teams with 50+ changes, only Vancouver didn’t play in the Premiere games over in Europe. I’m assuming Vancouver’s high number has to do with being the only team in their division in the Pacific Time Zone, guaranteeing them at least +15.
I also feel like it’d make a Winnipeg team playing in the Southeast division look even worse.
by Old Kentucky Shark on May 20, 2011 4:54 AM EDT reply actions
No, I used the same schedule, so teams that opened in Europe still did so.
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Stray Thrashers Fan Here
Well, it all looks like a done deal down here in the Delta. Hope you will allow some of us to defect to the Preds, since half of Canada thought we were the same team anyway. If the Zombies don’t get us tomorrow, Thrashers fans will need a reason to live Sunday.
BTW, great playoff appearance this year, you will have to tell us what that is like:
"I will give my all for Tennessee, Thrashers, and Falcons Today."
welcome...
though ultimately i feel bad for the fans down there. it’s unfortunate for you and the city that this couldn’t be worked out. however, since we were so close to the situation yall are in, you’re more than welcome aboard the wagon.
TN Sports fan in Hoosier Country....
This does suck for Thrashers fans, the real failure here lies with ownership and management. The way things are structured, nobody in their right mind would want to buy that team without having control of other revenue generators like the arena itself, etc.
You can bet that Atlanta fans would be most welcome up here, we’ve already got some folks who drive from Memphis or Chattanooga to support the Preds…
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if you do actually lose your team…. well that just sucks. But we will gladly welcome you and anyone else.
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by Creeping Death on May 20, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m a Braves fan living in Nashville. I ve got 3 words for you….ROAD TRIPS RULE! And of course all Thrash fans would be welcome in Smashville.
by southernfriedhockey on May 20, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
should we really believe ANYTHING that is in the Globe and Mail? Their name isn’t even relevant. Who uses a globe or mail any more these days? If the Globe and Mail could be equated to one person today, they would be the guy saying the world will end tomorrow
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As far as division realignment goes........
Central Division:
Wings
Preds
Blues
Hawks
Stars
Southeast Division:
Caps
Flyers
Canes
Bolts
Panthers
by Grizzledbear on May 20, 2011 8:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
And I would imagine Winnipeg goes to the Northeast division and the Avs, or maybe the Nucks, go to the Pacific.
by Grizzledbear on May 20, 2011 8:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

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