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Could we use some offense?

I read in an online community somewhere that the Predators could use some offense.  I can't quite remember where.  Sounds like solid thinking to me though.  In 2010-2011, We ranked 21st in offense, 3rd in goaltending, and 2nd in defense.  Logic says that a few more goals over the course of the season would put us in pretty good position to be a cup contender.  Hard to argue that.  

I read somewhere else that the Predators should trade away one of their 3 top assets, possibly combined with one of their best prospects and/or a draft pick, for that one guy that seems to have eluded the Preds altogether (or simply decided to play for the folks in Mother Russia) up to this point..  The sniper.  The 40 goal scorer.  The elite forward.  

That ONE GUY.  (regardless of whether he is actually available or not)

Now, I'm a hardcore fan.  I don't ever turn it off or go home early when the Preds are are sucking the life out of the game.  I enjoy the sport too much to let it get me down for too long, no matter what happens to me and my man, Marty Erat.  Like every other fan though, even the chicken little types, I want to win the Big Silver Punch Bowl one day. So I too would love to see "that guy" in a Preds uni.  Is it possible that we could get one without trading the farm though?  Some say "no way".

Check this out.  Sorted by year.

Player Season Age Tm Lg Pos GP G A PTS
Miroslav Satan 1995-96 21 EDM NHL RW 62 18 17 35
Denis Pederson 1996-97 21 NJD NHL C 70 12 20 32
Brenden Morrow 1999-00 21 DAL NHL LW 64 14 19 33
Maxim Afinogenov 2000-01 21 BUF NHL RW 78 14 22 36
Karel Rachunek 2000-01 21 OTT NHL D 71 3 30 33
Henrik Sedin 2001-02 21 VAN NHL C 82 16 20 36
Daniel Sedin 2001-02 21 VAN NHL LW 79 9 23 32
Radim Vrbata 2002-03 21 TOT NHL LW 76 16 19 35
Milan Michalek 2005-06 21 SJS NHL RW 81 17 18 35
Chris Campoli 2005-06 21 NYI NHL D 80 9 25 34
Zach Parise 2005-06 21 NJD NHL C 81 14 18 32
Andrej Meszaros 2006-07 21 OTT NHL D 82 7 28 35
Mike Richards 2006-07 21 PHI NHL C 59 10 22 32
Nick Foligno 2008-09 21 OTT NHL LW 81 17 15 32
Colin Wilson 2010-11 21 NSH NHL C 82 16 18 34

There's a guy, maybe even two, in that list that have some degree of goal scoring ability.  Heck, there may even be a guy or two that might pitch in with a helper once in a while...  Definitely more than one I would take on my team.

I know, all of you are asking the exact same question though.  Where's Pavel Datsyuk?  He scored 35 points his first full year in you fool!  True, but he didn't hit the NHL until he was 23 so he didn't quite fit the criteria for this list.

So...how about the Pred killer himself, old Patrick Sharp then!  He started out at age 21, moron!  He has to be on there somewhere.  He would be, except he didn't hit the 35 point plateau until year 5 in the league.  :(

Wait, what about that guy that plays with the Sedins now then, smart guy? Arrogant #$%@, Hobey Baker finalist... What's his name?  I feel like I've seen him play somewhere recently...  Kesler!  That's it.  What about Ryan Kesler then?  He played a few games at age 20 and then cranked out an ironman 82 game season his first full year if I recall!  Well, frankly, his 23 points that year aren't quite enough to make the above list either.

I guess the reason I am so drawn to focus on guys like Beck, Latta, Wilson, Boomer, Ellis, Bourque, yada yada, is because we own those guys.  Who knows when the next Fisher/Forsberg/Witt/Sullivan trade or Arnott/Kariya/ Dumont/Lombardi contract is going to go down?  Not me.  I didn't see a single one of those coming.  In fact, I'm sure that whatever the Nashville equivalent of the flashy Kaberle acquisition is will take me by surprise as well.

No rock solid guarantees of anything, obviously.  Just food for thought...or fuel for fire.

Poll
Marcus...
Wears rosy colored glasses at all times
8 votes
Obviously has never watched an NHL game
2 votes
Has a man crush on Mattias Ekholm
12 votes
Is the smartest man alive!
3 votes
Thinks the new home sweaters are the shiz
17 votes

42 votes | Poll has closed

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I there any doubt he is doing the virtual lasso dance to a cowgirl in the stands here? I think the odds are better than certain.

by Marcus Newman on Jul 12, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I stole this for my little avatar picture, if you dont mind. If you do then I will change it.

by Joel Ward is my Homeboy on Jul 12, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great post

but with the way Trotz is, he won’t let an offensive specialist thrive in the system unless he locks down the defense first, which isn’t a bad philosophy, except for the fact that you also need to score goals to win games not just keep the other team from scoring. I believe we have the guys too, but will Trotz loosen the reins to let them work.

by benginat0r on Jul 12, 2011 2:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Keep in mind, when this team had lots of offensive talent in 06-07, Trotz let them play. We scored more goals that year than the “almighty” Canucks did in the last. Playoffs, however, are a different concern…

by musamonster on Jul 12, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1. Lots of people don’t seem to remember that Trotz, fairly recently, got a lot of offense out of a team.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts--for support rather than
illumination."

by Smashvillain on Jul 12, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

+2

I mostly buy in to the “defense wins championships” framework. Especially for teams with financial limitations. So, Trotz’s style doesn’t bug me as much as it does the folks that would give up a little D to get a little more O.

To be fair though. If we could somehow keep the core of this defense in tact and manage to bring in a true veteran or two with some serious offensive skill in the next couple of years, we could be that team that nobody wants any part of.

by Marcus Newman on Jul 12, 2011 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love the post! Great Job!

by ablairnash on Jul 12, 2011 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think anyone here is suggesting that no 21-year old could get the job done. They’re saying its not very likely and too big a risk to bank on. You’ve selected some guys who did it, but haven’t indicated in any way how common or uncommon that is. Compare this list to all the 21-year-olds who’ve played in the league and what do you see? No, I’m actually asking. what does it look like?

PS. Stamkos just turned 21. Why isn’t he on your list? I’m hurt and insulted.

PPS. Great poll. Good thing I know the correct answer. :)

SERIOUSLY GUYS, STOP TRYING TO TRADE PEKKA!!!
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Jul 12, 2011 8:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought the poll was pretty easy too. :)

You’ve selected some guys who did it

Believe it or not, the list is an unedited statistical query with just a few limitations. They are:

1. 1995 – present (I just did this for player familiarity mostly)
2. Age 21 at the all-star break
3. 1 or 2 seasons of NHL experience

So, I wasn’t really trying to compare CW to all forwards. I just found him in the query and put a 2 point cushion around him. This seems like a fair way to see who else had a similar start in the NHL. That was really my point, not necessarily to predict a certain level of success, more just to see who else falls in the category. With our luck, we may very well have Chris Campoli 2.0. Like I said, no rock solid guarantees

haven’t indicated in any way how common or uncommon that is. Compare this list to all the 21-year-olds who’ve played in the league and what do you see?

Short answer? He falls just out side the top 10% of all forwards in the query. 46 guys had a better start, 521 started out worse.

PS. Stamkos just turned 21. Why isn’t he on your list? I’m hurt and insulted.

Another short answer? Stamkos is too good for this list. Way too good. Too young too. As would be Crosby, Kane, Skinner, Toews, etc… For reference however, here are the top 13. That’s right, not the top 10. The top 13:

Player PTS
Paul Kariya 108
Evgeni Malkin 106
Eric Staal 100
Alex Ovechkin 92
Nicklas Backstrom 88
Paul Stastny 78
Alex Tanguay 77
Dany Heatley 67
Scott Gomez 63
Brad Richards 62
Mike Comrie 60
Ryan Getzlaf 58
Alexander Radulov 58

I did “select” three guys at the end, but only for effect since they weren’t “good” enough to make the list. :)

by Marcus Newman on Jul 12, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right. Didn’t mean selected in that sense. Just meant that you defined certain criteria upon which to base your sample, blah, blah, blah.

This is honestly all new info to me. I didn’t realize Willy was that far up the list. I wonder how certain other of our regulars will take this analysis. I doubt you will convince a certain bear that we can rely upon our kids to increase our offense this season.

SERIOUSLY GUYS, STOP TRYING TO TRADE PEKKA!!!
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Jul 12, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, there is a tiny “link” to Stamkos in the post that I thought you might appreciate.

by Marcus Newman on Jul 12, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oooh. found it. I’m so looking forward to this year for Tampa!

SERIOUSLY GUYS, STOP TRYING TO TRADE PEKKA!!!
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Jul 12, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am looking forward to it for the Guy Boucher pressers alone!

by Marcus Newman on Jul 12, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s fun! I love watching him behind the bench. In-game entertainment.

SERIOUSLY GUYS, STOP TRYING TO TRADE PEKKA!!!
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Jul 12, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

List of 21 Year-Olds

Here you go!

A list of every 21 year old to play in the league. There are quite a few who did get the job done.

Hockey fan, stats nut, webmaster of QuantHockey.com
Twitter: @QuantHockey

by QuantHockey on Jul 12, 2011 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I love your site! I use it all the time!!!

by Marcus Newman on Jul 12, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Happy to hear! I was afraid posting a link to my own site could be considered spamming but I guess not :-)

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by QuantHockey on Jul 12, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely not. Your site is one of the best stat sites I know of. Everyone should check it out.

Go to www.quanthockey.com, people!

by Marcus Newman on Jul 12, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

As long as it's relevant to the discussion, that's totally cool

If you just popped up a FanPost that screamed “hey, come look at my site”, that would be another thing entirely. Cool stuff!

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by Dirk Hoag on Jul 12, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heck of a list

Why can’t we get some of those guys? Oh. Yeah. No time machine.

SERIOUSLY GUYS, STOP TRYING TO TRADE PEKKA!!!
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Jul 12, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Instead of a scorer

We should buy some of those mini-blimps that fly around the arena and drop prizes =D

by 3DLink on Jul 13, 2011 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

god that thing was the best

I miss you, InflatoPrizeTiger.

I currently star in the new MTV3 series,
"Jersey Shore: Lake Erie Edition"
Cleveland Rocks!
Read it and weep

by MattBen on Jul 13, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember it one time landed in the seats in the lower bowl. haha

by kypredsfan on Jul 14, 2011 6:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

and that’s why they got rid of it.

by Dave_is_a_killer on Jul 14, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Personally I think...

… this team needs less offense, and to win every game 1-0 in a SO.

Either this or fix the power play by hiring me to instruct the team to “SHOOT THE %#$!#$^ING PUCK!!!”

by djzielin on Jul 14, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Are we supposed to trade for one of those guys?

I don’t get it. If we trade Suter I might become a Thrashers fan though.

by DirkDiggler on Jul 15, 2011 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Did you catch that CW is at the bottom of the list? I probably should have put his stats in bold or something.

by Marcus Newman on Jul 15, 2011 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

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