Friday afternoon notes: Shea Weber and the Deafening Silence
OK folks, we're officially entering crunch time in the Shea Weber/Nashville Predators negotiations, as the scheduled arbitration hearing looms ahead on Tuesday. While the lack of tangible news has the general public grasping for answers, the parties involved are going to start feeling the pressure to get the deal done, and quite soon.
As detailed recently, one interesting milestone comes on Sunday, as the two sides are supposed to exchange the written briefs that will serve as the starting point for the hearing. At this point in the proceedings there shouldn't be any surprises, but you'd have to think that once those briefs are exchanged and each side is seeing the figure the other is aiming for, compromise will become that much more practical.
At this point, all us fans can do is wait, and peruse the afternoon hockey news, which includes two NHL players heading off to Russia...
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I’m looking at Monday night or Tuesday morning for a deal. If it isn’t a long term deal, I’m going to lose a lot of respect for Weber. He will have basically showed that his word means nothing, and that every time he said he wanted to stay in Nashville was a lie.
Besides a long-term deal, I think the 2nd best thing that can happen is he takes a one-year arbitration. Why? Because then he’s still RFA next year, we get to see what goes on with the CBA, and they have another year to work something out. Yes, then they have to sign all of the big three but DP can discuss that all season long.
Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?
A one year arbitration award would preclude the team from having to pay a lot of upfront money to Weber in 11/12, leaving some cash left to maybe, I dunno, acquire someone with scoring ability? But beings we likely won’t do that anyway, having Weber, Suter and Rinne all free agents at the same time would be a doozy. If all three of them want the big upfront cash ala B. Richards, it would be hard to see how this team could do that. Hopefully they’re all backloaded contract kinda guys! (That just doesn’t sound right, LOL!).
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 29, 2011 6:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Now we have to think (Weber for Parise trade dreams aside) that Weber could do something similar and wait for the CBA.
Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?
Could go down that way, especially with Webs having another year before UFA status.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 29, 2011 10:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Preds of State, Weber doesn’t owe you a damn thing, and I’m sure he’s not going to lose any sleep worrying what you think of him. Things change. He may have had every intention of staying here but if it doesn’t work out why is he the bad guy for doing what he thinks is best for him? Certainly not because of you or anyone else who thinks they are entitled to something at his expense.
The truth is neither libelous nor slanderous.
Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
Pro athletes--it's not what they say, it's what they do.
by shoot the puck on Jul 29, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I may have spoken abruptly
without thinking that the Preds might not be giving him what he wants out of a contract or a team. He may want to stay in Nashville, but the circumstances might prevent that. Bottom line we need to get him signed. I just don’t want to see Weber go because it would be pretty detrimental to the Preds, and I think to his career. (of course I am one of those who thinks that Weber is better when he is on the ice with Suter)
by Preds of State on Jul 29, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
lose respect for Weber????
I have no doubt that Shea Weber has one thing in mind – being on a team that is seriously pursuing the Stanley Cup. If Weber doesn’t make the deal, I believe it is because Weber doesn’t believe Poile is seriously pursuing a Stanley Cup winning team. Looking at Poile’s moves thus far, I’m starting to believe that myself.
I’m sure Weber would like to be a part of the Predators, but I can guarantee you that Shea Weber’s dreams of winning a Stanley Cup are rooted far deeper than his dreams of being a Nashville Predator. And that desire of Weber is something Poile should be seriously investing in as opposed to haggling.
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Amen to that!
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by shoot the puck on Jul 29, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Add another Amen to that!
It’s
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 29, 2011 7:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oops, forgot to erase what was in the box. :o
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 29, 2011 7:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
With the RFA debacle and if the Shea Weber thing is botched, do the Poiles potentially lose their jobs?
Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?
Not if the reluctance to spend money is ownership mandated.
The truth is neither libelous nor slanderous.
Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
Pro athletes--it's not what they say, it's what they do.
by shoot the puck on Jul 29, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
On the other hand
Weber not getting a deal done has tied Poile’s hands as to how much money he has left so spend for free agents or any traded players. How much of this is Weber’s agents’ fault?
Do you really think Weber is getting dramatically more than 7M per season? That excuse for Poile not spending additional money on trades/free agents just doesn’t add up.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 29, 2011 7:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No.
But Poile could be reasonably afraid of getting stuck with some absurd arbitration salary. If Poile is thinking of spending $X mil and arbitration comes back with $X + 1.5 mil, that’s the difference between having $4 mil left to spend and $2.5 mil… and that can lead to a big difference in the player he can bring in.
So why not make some kind of move that spends at the lower portion of that estimate, like the 2.5M example you gave here? This isn’t a unique situation that only the Preds have to deal with, every team has to estimate where their payroll is going to be at.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Personally
I would rather be on a team that I was with for years and worked hard with to build and develop than be a cog in the wheel and win a cup. Some people have cups in their eyes I guess though.
(i’m not saying winning the cup isn’t a big deal, i’m just putting it in perspective)
by Preds of State on Jul 29, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you’d be in the minority there. No player wants to be somewhere long term if he doesn’t think he can win a Cup there.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 29, 2011 7:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If it isn’t a long term deal, I’m going to lose a lot of respect for Weber.
I agree. Less than three years from a guy who just accepted the captaincy on a team that has publicly hitched their proverbial wagon to him… Well it’s hard to put that on the Preds for me.
by Marcus Newman on Jul 29, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Good News
Parise just signed a one-year deal with New Jersey worth $6 million.
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Hmm, at least we’re not the only ones that’ll be panicking.
Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?
“Maybe Parise can see that the Devils will never win anything and that Lou will never spend the money needed to win the cup blah blah blah….” ;)
Except Lou does spend money and he has won Cups. ;p
Clearly, Parise wants to play in Nashville. Why else a one year deal? Make the trade already! :)
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 29, 2011 7:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, no kidding! It’s more likely now than ever.
Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?
Meh
I just think they did the one year deal to avoid the arbitration hearing, and give themselves more time to work out a longer deal.
Maybe he’s concerned about who will be their goalie for the long term ha ha ha…
Devils just freed up lots of cap room by trading Rolston, and yet ZP stills only signs for one year………I think we know what’s going on here. ;)
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 29, 2011 8:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Trade deadline acquisition for a defensive prospect perhaps? Win our first cup with him and he signs long term?
Sold!
by Marcus Newman on Jul 29, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d prefer for the deal to go down much earlier than that………say, before October. :)
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 29, 2011 10:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Me too but there is just no way that is happening unless we give up a big gun and…..well I’m going out on a limb and guessing our opinions might differ on whether or not that’s a good idea. ;)
by Marcus Newman on Jul 29, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
That would likely be the case. :)
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 29, 2011 10:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Parise for Weber!
We need offense. Ellis can bring the offense on D that would be vacated by Weber. Makes since to me!!
by PredsfaninGA on Jul 29, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Not likely…at least not in the short term. Weber is one helluva Dman and a force on and off the ice. He is a game changer and the combo of Weber/Suter is probably the best D pair in the NHL. Weber brings a ton, and unlike Ellis, he’s tall enough to ride the rides at Holiday World.
by HardCorePredFan316 on Jul 29, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I have someone else I’d trade for Parise instead of Weber, but that debate has been, well, debated fully and thoroughly. :D
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 29, 2011 10:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My 2 cents
i would love for Shea to stay here, but at the end of the day it’s a business. I’m sure he wants to be somwhere he feels he can win a Stanley Cup. i truly believe someday we will. but Shea is one of the best d men in the nhl and i believe he knows it. there’s nothing wrong with that it’s just the way it is. so i’ll cheer him on if he stays and if he goes i’ll still cheer for him ( when he is not playing us) LOL.. we still have a great team in a great city with a fan base thats growing. who knows we may have another Shea in Milwaukee and we just don’t know it yet. whether or not he sticks around for awhile or decides to leave, we will still be here supporting our team!! ok now i’m off my soap box!! GO PREDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also...
The title of this article sounds like a Harry Potter novel. Maybe someone should write a series of Shea Weber novels.
Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?
by DonBorvio on Jul 29, 2011 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hahahaha
Hilarious!!!
"Next time someone tells you Nashville’s not a hockey town, tell ‘em to come try some of the home cookin’." - TSN Broadcaster
by Go_Titans_Preds_USC on Jul 29, 2011 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Shea Weber and the Goblet of Stanley?
60% of the time it works every time
by Creeping Death on Jul 29, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Shea Weber and the Missing Norris.
Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?
Shea Weber and the Beard of Legend
by HardCorePredFan316 on Jul 30, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
There's just so much we don't know
We don’t know what Weber’s asking, nor what the Predators are offering, nor what either of them are thinking about the future. We don’t know if there’s a cash flow problem with the Predators or if Poile made offers to one or more ufa’s and was rejected by every one. I personally do not believe that Weber will ever win a Cup here, and that goes for Suter and Rinne also. The group that manages and coaches the team is just too conservative. I realize that the team does not generate the revenue of some other teams, but that’s no excuse. It’s great to have NHL hockey here, and we should all be grateful to the current ownership for keeping the franchise here. However, it becomes more apparent every year that deeper pockets are needed to seriously compete for the Cup, something current ownership evidently lacks.
The truth is neither libelous nor slanderous.
Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
Pro athletes--it's not what they say, it's what they do.
I personally do not believe that Weber will ever win a Cup here, and that goes for Suter and Rinne also.
And it’s this sort of thing that is making me leave this blog. You people are the most depressing group of fans ever. Go cheer for Toronto. Goodbye.
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Don’t leave. The Force is too strong with you. …and you have really excellent comments.
by Marcus Newman on Jul 29, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
With defeatest thinking
how does Vancouver have any fans left? :)
by musamonster on Jul 29, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And it’s this sort of thing that is making me leave this blog. You people are the most depressing group of fans ever. Go cheer for Toronto. Goodbye.
“Well, then. Bye.”—Curly Bill to Wyatt Earp in Tombstone.
The truth is neither libelous nor slanderous.
Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
Pro athletes--it's not what they say, it's what they do.
by shoot the puck on Jul 29, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
just self moderate
remember that the people listed at the bottom of the site deal in rationality and reality. Sometimes you just have to ignore a few members.
Keys to the game: GA<GF
I’ve been doing that myself lately. Helps keep me from getting warnings from Dirk. :D
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 29, 2011 11:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I personally do not believe that Weber will ever win a Cup here, and that goes for Suter and Rinne also.
For real? Are you a Preds fan?
We have possibly the most talented goaltender in the world, the top defensive pairing in the world, and more young talent in the farm system at one time than ever before. …and that’s only the stuff that isn’t really up for debate. No offense, but, If you can’t get on this bus, you are a fan of the wrong team I think.
by Marcus Newman on Jul 29, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It takes courage to write what you did here, shoot the puck, knowing the “are you really a fan” crowd would show up. You’re saying aloud what many “real fans” of the team are thinking as well. +1 to you!
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 29, 2011 10:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank you GB. Nothing I write should be construed as coming from a person who wants the Preds to win any less than anyone else here. But I’m not going to deny what I think I see.
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Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
Pro athletes--it's not what they say, it's what they do.
by shoot the puck on Jul 29, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Being a Canes fan, I’m not sure I get the point here. Elaborate if you could, please.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 29, 2011 10:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They caught lighting in a bottle and won the Cup, largely because of breakout performances by a couple of young players and probably catching one of the best possible match-ups in NHL history with the 8 seed out of the West, right? Or am I missing something? I smell a trap…
by Marcus Newman on Jul 29, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You're missing a while lot!
The Canes signed vets like Whitney and Stillman as UFA’s before the season started and traded for vets Recchi and Weight before the trade deadline. Plus, they had a very veteran defense in guys Wesley, Ward, Hedican. JR learned his lesson from the previous two disaters of seasons when the Canes had the worst offense in the league two years in a row. That was a good veteran team that had just the right mix of youth added to it.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 12:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s “a whole lot”. Need sleep. :/
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 12:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention the fact the Canes were the #2 seed in the East (no, not #8 in the West) and scored 286 goals and had a payroll of $35.3 mil when the salary cap was $39 mil.
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Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
Pro athletes--it's not what they say, it's what they do.
by shoot the puck on Jul 30, 2011 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions
They played the Oilers, the 8th seed out of the west, as opposed to this year’s Canucks. And even the Oilers pushed them to game 7.
That’s lame. You act here like the Oilers were a lousy team who just happened to sneak into the SCF. And what about the three teams the Canes beat to get to the SCF? Trying to make a comparison between the 05/06 Canes and the Preds situation is apples and oranges.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think next year may be Poile’s big opportunity though, like 05/06 was for the Canes. Just think what the FA market will look like after the CBA is renegotiated, and all the players available that team may not be able to afford (if the ceiling is again reduced). Look at the NFL this week, for some idea.
Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?
If we were a team that were going thru a rebuilding phase, I could accept that line of thinking. But we just came off our best playoff run in team history, so basically saying that this next season will just be some kind of holding ground until the following season just doesn’t wash with me. We should do better than that.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 10:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I didn't say they were a lousy team
However, neither were they a “great team”. They did beat the Wings that year, but that was also the year that 1-4 all went down in the first round. Their competition got a little easier as they got to the end.
For the Canes, they didn’t have to get past the Wings to win the cup. That job was already done for them. Canes got the job done, and that’s the big story, but it wasn’t quite as difficult as 02 when they lost to the Wings
That 2002 team would have gotten drubbed by the 05/06 version of the Canes. Now the 01/02 Canes would be a better comparison to our situation right now (Rinne is a lot better than Irbe though, LOL!). That was an amazing ride in 2002, still wonder how they got to the finals that season. If not for Brindy losing that Dzone faceoff in the last 30secs of game 2 against the Wings…………..
The 05/06 Canes were a very good team. Missing the playoffs the next two seasons unfortunately took away from that.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 4:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The point I was trying to make
was that, at the beginning of the season, I’m sure there were those that said that Hedican/Brind’Armor/Staal/Gerber/ would never win a cup in Carolina.
Now I remember why I took a break from OtF. Some of the people here are just outright too negative…and that’s coming from a pessimist.
So basically, you’re point lacked merit and was easily shot down and then like so many do here, you reached for the “I’m tired of those bad fans” canard? Seems to be the go to option around here lately.
Actually, as a Canes fan, most of us were quite optimistic about the Canes coming out of the lockout. Winning the Cup may not have been foreseen, but we knew we had a much improved team. That’s not the case here as we stand at the moment.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 10:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My point certainly did not lack merit, but for whatever reason you’re incapable of understanding it. Maybe you’re always this obtuse, I don’t know and, quite frankly, I don’t care. You didn’t “shoot down” anything…you give yourself far too much credit.
I was an active member here from early on, but because of people like you, I chose to stop interacting in the forums/comments. Are you a bad fan? Probably not…you seem knowledgeable enough. It seems to be, though, you’re the one that throws around the “bad fan” label more than others.
Not once will you ever have seen me labal someone a “bad fan”. First off, I don’t know anyone here well enough to make that discernment, and secondly, it has no bearing on any point they may be making. You, along with a few others, seem to be quite comfortable in grading the fandom of other posters and insulting them personally like you did above. Ironic that it’s the self-proclaimed “good fan” that seem to be the one’s lobbing the personal insults and telling people to go vote for another team.
As shoot the puck and myself noted, the 05/06 Canes situation was far from where we are at right now. There isn’t anything “obtuse” about wondering where the comparison was going with that analogy.
Speaking of the Canes, this all reminds of the start of the 03/04 season with Carolina. A few of us looked at the roster and said it was probably the worst offensive team in the league. We got the same treatment that people here get when criticizing the makeup of part of our current roster. When the Canes finished dead last in scoring for the 2nd straight season, none of those people ever apologized for all the comments they made throughout the season towards the so-called “naysayers”. And the reason for that is probably the same as it would be here: it’s not the validity of the argument being made that’s really at issue for many, it’s that others aren’t being “good fans” in their eyes.
I’m not in any position to declare who’s a good or bad fan, it’s a shame others don’t place that same constraint on themselves.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 3:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seriously? Personal insults? Did I hurt your feelings? Lighten up. I made an observation. If you feel insulted, that’s on you.
I disagree with you. It’s that simple. And when I finally explained my point to you, rather than even try to reply with something legitimate, you pompously declared that my point lacked merit and that you had “shot it down”. And beforehand with others’ comments, you attacked them as if your family honor were at stake. So yeah, I called you out on being negative.
I’m done with this thread, that’s for sure…and I can guarantee that there are others who feel the same way that I do about how naysayers drag these forums and, ergo, this site down and push away viewers/posters.
by rusherman on Jul 30, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, this month is our 2nd-busiest ever, very few people, if any, are being driven away.
That said, I’d like to encourage people to disagree without becoming disagreeable. We’re all fans here and want to see the Preds succeed. Some folks think we’re on the right track this summer, some think we’re not, others are willing to wait and see.
The simplest advice I can offer is take a look at a comment before you click “Post”, and strike out any references to “you”.
Statements like “you always do this”, or “fans like you say”, only serve to raise confrontation where none is necessary.
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Last time I checked, labeling someone as “obtuse” and “lacking understanding” would be considered an insult. And no, my feelings aren’t hurt, but that really isn’t the point.
The reason I responded to your post the way I did was due to the “I’m leaving because of these bad posters” comment. No one said anything to you that deserved that put down.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 7:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Be insulted if you want. The truth hurts. Trust me, I haven’t even begun to insult.
I never said I was leaving…I said that was why I left.
And yeah, you did. You instantly said my post had no merit. But, whatever, you’ve been berating people up and down this thread. And the whole passive-aggressive thing doesn’t make it any better or more tolerable.
I’d suggest that if you want to go the insult route, your stay here will be shorter than you may like.
And no, in fact I was defending someone in this thread who did get attacked for simply stating his opinion and who also rebutted your 05/06 Canes analogy. Have a wonderful day.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 9:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And he finishes with a threat. Stay classy.
by rusherman on Jul 30, 2011 10:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, that’s just the reality of this website. Don’t believe me, ask Dirk.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 10:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I likely will ask Dirk. He runs the site…not you. So don’t make threats on his behalf.
You’re not that special. Your a spectator, just like me.
by rusherman on Jul 30, 2011 11:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow, someone has a chip on their shoulder, eh? Generally the reaction when a bully gets gets their come uppings……..they cry.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 11:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow, is that the best you could do?
I’m insulted. No wait, that’s your M.O. This is actually becoming more entertaining by the minute.
When are you going to break out the “your mom” jokes?
by rusherman on Jul 30, 2011 11:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You know…truce.
I like having dissenting opinion. I stand by my comparison. But bickering behind a keyboard is counterproductive and just plain silly.
We root for the same team, and we should probably stand together as fans, regardless of our opinions of how the team should be reformed in the off-season.
I’ll see you when the season starts…we’ll go from there.
by rusherman on Jul 30, 2011 11:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed. But please don’t leave. CAustin. We’re ALL fans, whether you’re glass half-empty folks or glass half-full. You do have really good things to.say and i enjoy your back and forth with Griz very much. Will even forgive u for the Bolts (i’m from dc) and will throw you a bone – don’t trade Pekka. :) … It’s just hard to be happy face about this summer. So far. There’s a little optimism for you: Poile has a hand to.play. He just hasn’t played it yet. The first domino.is Shea. We’ll see what happens next. Summer isn’t over.
by el pucko on Jul 29, 2011 10:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
In fact, I would be surprised if we lost a game all year. But hey, I’m an optimist.
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by cisar on Jul 30, 2011 2:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bottom line is
We will at least have Weber for either one or two more years. ( I personally think that he will sign a 3 to 4 year deal). If he leaves after that then good luck to him but the Preds will still be here. We have list of talented defencemen that I think the Preds will be just fine. We are just about 1 good sniper away from parading that big cup down broadway. That sniper may be here next year or may develop (God willing) this season. We have some pretty good potential. Believe me I would love for Polie to make some sort of trade for a big name scorere but until “As the Weber Turns” soap opera ends he has to sit on his hands for a moment. I just have to keep the faith that something good will happen here soon!
I did not realize we had so many experienced GM’s posting. LOL
I have no doubt Weber enjoys it here….I have no doubt most of you enjoy Nashville…..But if you worked under a contract with your employer, it is expiring, understood your value, every freakin one of you would explore options AND negotiate with your current employer….Even if it meant a move from a place you enjoy.
It is rational and reasoned.
As far as Poile is concerned, his body of work indicates we is willing to bring people in…even as we tout playing youth and players within the organization. ( which we have done since day 1) We don’t know if Poile “blew it” July 1st, we don’t know who we have persued and we don’t know what trades may not have developed. So I have a hard time throwing him under the bus when his past indicates he has made some good moves.
I do, as an organization, want to reach a point where the salary cap is not a hinderence and we can spend to it each and every year….Because when this happens, and it will, I want a GM like Poile.
Just ranking slightly behind the “you’re a bad fan” charge is the “you’ve never been a GM” canard. The intent of both of these lines is to really say “shut up, I don’t like what you have to say”!
But as for never questioning what a GM does, you may want to look at the history of pro sports and see if all the GM’s of various sports teams are beyond criticism. Would be a pretty hard argument to sustain.
Shadows only exist when something of substance appears first.......
by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 10:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn GB...
Brought out the claws I see. ;)
by HardCorePredFan316 on Jul 30, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, but I’m really getting tired of these veiled insults that get thown at anyone who has a more critical view of how things are going with this team right now. Shoot the Puck shouldn’t have to have his fandom called into question just because he has a point of view (one shared by many) about this organization.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 10:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh come on!
What do you have against the Opinion Police anyway? Put on your blue colored glasses and see the world through the eyes of a Predators PollyAnna. That is the only way to happiness. Repent and renounce your criticisms of Poile you heathen scoundrel. Idealism is the way to Lord Stanley’s Cup. Realism is the way to a first overall pick in the draft.
Praise Trotz and the Power Play that WILL BE!
Can I get a Hail Stanley?
Ok, I’m kidding, but seriously people, forums and messageboards are for opinions of all kinds. Positive or negative. I personally tend to hover in that netherworld between positive and negative. I don’t like what I’m seeing this offseason at all, but I have to believe that Poile isn’t seriously thinking that losing all the experience we’ve lost and replacing it with rookies makes us a better team. He hold his cards close to his vest. I’m sure there’s a move or several moves on the horizon that will truly make this a better team. That’s my hope anyway.
I share your hope...
I also share in your frustration….;)
by HardCorePredFan316 on Jul 30, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
As I have said before
Poile gets high marks for bringing in players not highly thought of elsewhere who perform better than expected here, a credit not only to Poile but also the coaching staff and the players themselves. But since the fire sale, he has been either unwilling or unable to reel in even one difference making, dynamic changing, that guy makes us a legitimate Cup contender type player. Whether it’s Poile himself or ownership tying his hands none of us knows. It’s hard to argue otherwise when you look at this past season’s trade deadline, this summer’s lack of activity, and the recent comments by Poile and Trotz regarding the state of the team. The Stanley Cup is the most intensely fought for prize in all of sports, and the competition is not limited to what happens on the ice. In this day and age the Cup cannot be won on a let’s stay under the mid-point of the cap so we can participate in revenue sharing budget. Weber, Suter, and Rinne may singularly or collectively play out their entire careers here, but I highly doubt it, and it won’t be because they don’t like it here. No, it’s a matter or economics. Better pay, better chance to win a Cup. Who amongst us wouldn’t do the same?
The truth is neither libelous nor slanderous.
Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
Pro athletes--it's not what they say, it's what they do.
by shoot the puck on Jul 30, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I have sinned, I have sinned! I shall go and repent before the golden jersey and seek remission for my transgressions. :D
My view is tainted right now due to the past 4 years of experience with our lack of addressing the scoring issue. If you look at our top 6 forwards in 07/08 and compare it to what our current top 6 look like (taking into account where all those players were at in their respective careers at that point), one could say that we were better 4 years ago than we are now. That shouldn’t be the case.
Shadows only exist when something of substance appears first.......
by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nope...
just relocated. Got tired of the trolls….it was incessant and Paul doesn’t help much when he calls out the Canadian media every other blog….Haha
by HardCorePredFan316 on Jul 30, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no issue holding Poile responsible if he does not make us better. Poile has a track record…a pretty good one in bringing in players, but under certain conditions, most regrettably, revolving around finances.
I don’t know what deals he has attempted, rejected, comtimplated. As fans, it appears we have been inactive in free agency, but it does not mean Poile is inactive in attempting to make us better….His track record simpyl does not indicate it.
So I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt…for now.
by Predator Don on Jul 30, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Grizzled…Lighten up dude…..No need to take every post to task for something you believe is inferred.
It’s a message board, dude. We bounce thoughts and ideas. We are all GM’s here…..Some of us are good and some of us are bad.
by Predator Don on Jul 30, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
PD, you start out almost every post of yours with a veiled cheapshot at whoever’s point of view you don’t happen to like. Playing good guy now isn’t fooling anyone.
And let me guess who the “good” amatuer GM’s here are and who the “bad” one’s are.
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Isn't it obvious?
Shea thinks he will look stupid in the yellow jersey. Poile cannot give him an answer on how long mgmt is going to make him wear it, so he hasn’t signed. Put the team back in blue, bet he would sign a 7 year deal!
by predsbelonginblue on Jul 30, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions
give him back his Pred skull
and ditch the guitar pick and the deal goes to 10 yrs!
by predsbelonginblue on Jul 30, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I think my eyes just rolled into the back of my head. GET OVER IT!
Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?
But really, it is the jersey design that’s holding up negotiations. ;D
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by Grizzledbear on Jul 30, 2011 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Still can’t get over how putrid the homies are. Like the roadies, though..
The truth is neither libelous nor slanderous.
Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
Pro athletes--it's not what they say, it's what they do.
by shoot the puck on Jul 30, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Road jerseys=Yes
Home jerseys=Big Bird, especially when our LSG’s wear them . :D
by HardCorePredFan316 on Jul 30, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Good one
my first reaction was Tweety Bird.
The truth is neither libelous nor slanderous.
Reason and logic instead of hope and faith.
Pro athletes--it's not what they say, it's what they do.
by shoot the puck on Jul 30, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone who thinks Big Bird or Tweety when they see these uniforms hasn’t seen them in person. There’s a HUGE variance between that color yellow and the gold palette of the jerseys. If anything the tint is closer to orange.
Seriously, all the ‘yellow’ comments just seem silly if you haven’t seen them in something other than a picture.
Shea is like Chuck Norris….It doesn’t matter what color he is wearing…LOL
by Predator Don on Jul 30, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Shea Weber doesn't wear colors...
Color adjusts to his mood.
by HardCorePredFan316 on Jul 30, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions

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