The #9 Moment of the Nashville Predators' 2011 Playoffs: Anaheim GM Bob Murray whines about diving
Earlier this summer we reviewed the Top 10 Moments of the Regular Season, and now seems a fine time to look back at the team's playoff run...
Coming into this playoff run Nashville Predators fans didn't exactly have a history of success to rely upon, and the team's 4-3 victory in Game 3 against Anaheim was disturbingly close, with the Ducks coming back to tie it after the Predators dominated the early stages. In previous years, we had to worry about whether key players would be able to recover from injury in time to contribute, or whether a guy like Radulov could stop running opponents (or teammates) into the glass.
That's why it came as a welcome shot in the arm when Anaheim GM Bob Murray came out in the press complaining that the Preds were diving, and sarcastically musing that his Ducks needed to do a better job of that themselves:
"I'd never thought I'd say this to my hockey team. We've got to start diving because it's working. It is working. They're getting power plays because of the diving. I can go through the list of players. You already know who they are. You've seen them. It's ridiculous."
Of course, one could say that any deficiency the Ducks had on this front was Murray's own fault, for trading away the NHL's top diver, Maxim Lapierre, to Vancouver at the trading deadline. That, and the fact that the Ducks are perennially among the league's most-penalized teams made Murray's claims all the more laughable.
When the leader of a skate-stomping, slew-footing bunch of cheap-shot artists starts saying that the referees are the root of the problem, you know that team has lost its focus. At that moment, Predators fans could really start feeling that their team had the upper hand in this series.
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a skate-stomping, slew-footing bunch of cheap-shot artists
You forgot goalie-spearing
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
Harsh. Even with the links to prove it, that’s pretty strong. I didn’t really develop a dislike of the Ducks until the playoff series. Selanne is still 100 percent class. And I like Carlyle.
Sometimes these are indicators of a desperate team, one that’s losing. That includes Murray’s comments. It’s just gamesmanship. Actually, it’s a part of the game where I think we fall short. Do too much and it backfires. Do too little and you settle into a series like Vancouver where it seemed like every important marginal call (Weber-Kesler chicken wing, Tootoo diving Game 6 – when was the last time you saw THAT called, any game, not just playoff) went against the Predators. Not saying a little chirping, working the media would have prevented the outcome. Just saying I think we can be better here.
You and I will have to agree to disagree on this one. I think there is a cancer infecting that organization from top to bottom, and it has spread to their fans. Somehow Selanne, Koivu, and Hiller have escaped being infected, but the rest of them….ugh. Slimy is the nicest word I would apply to them.
Thankfully, with care and hard work, ex-Ducks are sometimes able to get the slime off.
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
No problem. I don’t like them very much as a group either. I like some of the elements though. Jason Blake is a great kid, got to interact more with him during his brief stay in the minors. Turned into a good pro. Carlyle is a rock – great career, did his time in the minors. And some really exciting young players — I’ll treat that foot-stomp as an isolated incident, just doesn’t seem like Bobby Ryan. The fans? Yuck. Not sure if the organization is in trouble though. Not that far removed from a Cup. Played great at the end last season.
Ah I see. You don’t like them because you think they’re a dirty team. I hear that. Used to feel that way about the Flyers, even more recently the Canucks. Fine line, though. I thought the Bruins were a good example of a team that just kept pounding and pounding away, getting stronger as each series got longer.
Damn dirty Ducks. And I had absolutely no opinion about them before that series. Never thought about them at all. Now I hate them.
I don’t have as much problem with the Canucks as some here. There was some foolishness and a lot of arrogance but not the systemic reliance on cheap shots the Ducks showed.
The Bruins—well Marchand is an a-hole and not much better than a Duck, but at least there’s some class left on that team. I love Timmy, and Bergeron’s a pretty good guy, too. The rest I can take or leave. Very, very tough team to play against when they’re on. Thankfully, they aren’t always on. The Tampa-Boston series was wild last season, but Game 7 of that series was probably the best single game I’ve seen in years. If that game had decided the Cup, I could have lived with it, because that was a really well-played game on both sides.
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
Yeah, not that it had a major impact on the series, but when Scarface pulled Roloson for Smith as a starter late in that series, that’s when I knew the Bolts were done. Tell him not to do that again. Goalies are tough as nails but fragile for certain things. Maybe not a guy like Roli who’s been around. But let him finish the ride, for goodness sake.
Roli was good, but he was fatigued and it showed. He handled it well from everything I heard/saw, understood why it was done, and knew that Boucher still trusted him. Roli has what he calls a “12-hour rule.” He gives himself 12 hours to think about the game and then it’s on with business. And he rocked in Game 7, so I think it helped .
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
Shocked me when he did it. Probably surprised the Bruins, too. I think that sort of thing actually gives life to another team, or gives them the sense that they have someone in trouble. Was the first sign of desperation I saw out of that team in its playoff run.
Closer to home, I think we need to find a way to manage Pekka’s minutes so that we don’t have to pull him in the playoffs, too. He was also tired, or at least that’s what it seemed.
Absolutely, Lindy needs 25 or more starts this season. It’s good for him, good for Peks, good for the team overall. Maybe a few goals against that Peks might stop, but both need that arrangement. It’s no coincidence that both Thomas and Luongo started less than 60 games last year.
I still say Pekka was playing hurt in the Anaheim series, but it could very well have been fatigue. He was himself in game 1, then a sudden drop off early in game 2. He was thinking too much, planning his moves out. He started getting his game back towards the end of Game 6 and was PEKKA again for Vancouver.
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
el pucko
Great insights, but I just want to point out the “reply” link. If you click it before responding directly to someone, it puts the reply in the proper place for someone to know to what post you are responding. (Did I express that clearly?) For instance, in the post to which I’ve replied, you start out with
Shocked me when he did it., but I can’t tell for sure what shocked you, since it’s not indented from the post to which you were referring.
Sorry thanks. Was talking about Tampa Coach Boucher starting Mike Smith over Dwayne Roloson late in that series. Eddie O went off on that. I agreed with him.
by el pucko on Aug 18, 2011 7:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Meanwhile
I wonder where everyone else is.
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
I'm waiting for
that Weber-Parise trade. Then watch the biards light up! :)
Put lights in Shea's beard!
Watch his trade value shoot up even higher! (or his salary!)
As hopeful as I am of a potential trade we may make, be it huge (Parise) or semi-big (AK46), my money is on Poile doing absolutely nothing. Think Gbear will go into hibernation……..wake me up if something happens. :)
Shadows only exist when something of substance appears first.......
by Grizzledbear on Aug 18, 2011 7:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm posting...
Just so CAustin and elpucko can’t have all the fun. LOL
by HardCorePredFan316 on Aug 18, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions
Aww thanks 316! Welcome to the party.
Actually, I’m curious if others have thoughts on the issue of gamesmanship in the media — whether what Murray did is ok, whether we do enough of it, whether we do it well when we do it (Barry’s comments after Kesler chicken wing, e.g.), or whether it has any impact at all. It may have none.
But I’ve been thinking about this more and more after watching a few Preds playoff runs and often feeling like we get the shaft from the referees. And it takes me a very long time to go there because I know it’s such a lame excuse. But there are times I watch things like Weber’s roughing penalty on Kesler, Tootoo’s diving penalty in Game 6 and I start wondering if those things would ever happen to the home team in a more established market, especially a Canadian one. Not a conspiracy thing. I know that’s lame, too. I just know there are a lot of people who hate the very idea of hockey in Nashville. And I know the refs are human.
I know – lame. And don’t get me wrong – better team won that series, this wasn’t the reason we lost. Just wondering if anyone else ever felt that way, that we seem to be on the wrong end of every important marginal call and that maybe we can do more with playing the media. Maybe the Weber thing was makeup for Smithson boarding (not called). The Tootoo thing was just bizarre and still makes me angry.
As I said numerous times during the playoff series against the Ducks, anyone who was offended at what Murray did must not have paid much attention to previous playoff series in the past. That kind of stuff goes on all the time and in fact went on during the Canucks/Bruins series as well as other series too. It’s just trying to give your team any edge that you can and make them feel like the organization is behind them 100%. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind seeing Poile use those tactics on occassion.
I thought we got hosed in our two series against the Sharks in the past, not so much in last seasons playoffs. The way the refs allowed the Sharks to pick our oncoming forecheckers in those series was maddening!
Shadows only exist when something of substance appears first.......
by Grizzledbear on Aug 18, 2011 7:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s exactly what i was thinking about – those two series. Unlike the Vancouver series, we actually had and kept the puck a bit vs SJ. Maybe I’m overreacting to those two.calls in the Vancouver series because i couldn’t see either of them getting called against the Canucks in their building. When Tootoo went to the box, i asked the Canucks fans behind me if they could remember the last time they saw a diving penalty in a game. Two yrs. Anyway, nuff said. They were better.
And yeah I’m with you – we could work the media a bit more.
by el pucko on Aug 18, 2011 8:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey look
Preds failed to make the NBC schedule again. High five, NBC!
2 games on VS. and 1 game on NHLN.
@NY Rangers
@Chicago
and
home vs Calgary.
Nice choices, dumbasses. Really? The one nationally televised home game is against the Flames? Smashville is going to be snoreville for that game.
And let me guess...
It’s on a Sunday or Monday when the Titans play…;-)
What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...
I remember busting a gut when I first read that.
Oh yes, Bob Murray. Your team is always so pure — so honorable — always on the up-and-up!
When they traded for Lapierre, every fan I knew rolled their eyes and went “Of course.”
In Dinglebarn We Trust -- JftC

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