Nashville Predators analysis: How to replace Sullivan, Dumont, Ward and Goc?
One of the tougher questions to sort through this summer is whether or not the transition among the forward ranks for the Nashville Predators will work out to be a positive, or a negative. David Poile is certainly taking a gamble with his strategy of promoting from within, and relying upon more young players and bargain acquisitions like Niclas Bergfors. But what exactly was lost with the departure of the veteran forwards this summer, and how well can the kids fill that gap?
Follow after the jump as we dig into that question...
The following table was built using some 5-on-5 data from Behind the Net, along with some extra prestidigitation of my own (departed players shaded gray). We'll leave out the power play for now, as pretty much everyone agrees that fresh faces can hardly hurt there.
| NAME | GP | TOI/60 | Corsi/60 | Rel Corsi | NetZS | Adj Corsi/60 | Adj Rel Corsi | Team Shoot % | Save % | G/60 | A/60 | Pts/60 |
| David Legwand | 64 | 14.6 | +1.8 | +7.4 | -86 | +8.2 | +14.1 | 9.4 | 931 | 0.97 | 1.22 | 2.19 |
| Mike Fisher | 82 | 14.0 | -9.7 | -13.5 | -10 | -9.1 | -12.7 | 7.9 | 917 | 0.73 | 0.36 | 1.09 |
| Martin Erat | 64 | 13.8 | +3.8 | +7.9 | -41 | +7.1 | +11.6 | 8.7 | 939 | 0.61 | 1.70 | 2.32 |
| Cal O`Reilly | 38 | 13.7 | +0.4 | -0.9 | -17 | +2.7 | +1.8 | 8.7 | 917 | 0.58 | 0.93 | 1.50 |
| Marcel Goc | 51 | 13.6 | +2.3 | +2.4 | -49 | +7.1 | +7.3 | 10.5 | 926 | 0.69 | 1.21 | 1.90 |
| Joel Ward | 80 | 13.2 | +1.3 | +4.4 | -131 | +9.7 | +13.2 | 7.5 | 923 | 0.28 | 1.02 | 1.30 |
| Patric Hornqvist | 79 | 12.9 | +6.4 | +11.2 | +58 | +2.6 | +7.5 | 8.6 | 925 | 0.88 | 1.12 | 2.00 |
| Sergei Kostitsyn | 77 | 12.6 | -2.2 | -0.9 | -11 | -1.3 | +0.3 | 10.7 | 928 | 1.11 | 1.05 | 2.16 |
| Steve Sullivan | 44 | 12.1 | 0.0 | +1.0 | +32 | -3.7 | -2.1 | 8.8 | 923 | 0.67 | 0.89 | 1.57 |
| Jerred Smithson | 82 | 11.8 | -10.9 | -12.2 | -256 | +6.9 | +6.0 | 6.8 | 934 | 0.31 | 0.50 | 0.80 |
| Jordin Tootoo | 54 | 11.7 | -3.9 | -1.6 | -4 | -3.4 | -0.8 | 8.3 | 952 | 0.76 | 0.96 | 1.72 |
| Colin Wilson | 82 | 11.4 | -0.7 | +1.3 | +20 | -2.1 | +0.1 | 8.9 | 941 | 0.90 | 0.90 | 1.79 |
| Nick Spaling | 74 | 11.0 | -8.7 | -9.2 | -67 | -3.1 | -3.4 | 6.1 | 924 | 0.44 | 0.44 | 0.89 |
| Matt Halischuk | 27 | 9.9 | -13.3 | -10.5 | +22 | -18.4 | -14.5 | 12.4 | 938 | 0.90 | 1.81 | 2.70 |
| J.P. Dumont | 70 | 9.5 | +4.2 | +5.5 | +80 | -3.8 | -2.5 | 6.8 | 936 | 0.81 | 0.54 | 1.35 |
| Blake Geoffrion | 20 | 8.2 | -6.9 | -0.1 | +14 | -13.5 | -8.7 | 11.8 | 927 | 2.19 | 0.73 | 2.92 |
Legend is at the bottom.
What was lost
Considering first what was lost, we can lump those four players into two groups. Ward & Goc logged heavy minutes in relatively tough roles (Ward had the 18th-lowest Net Zone Starts in the league last season), and managed to push the play in a positive direction consistently. In terms of offensive contribution, however, both are secondary performers, rather than leaders (you'd prefer something north of 2.00 Pts/60, at least). In other words, they were pretty much ideal Nashville Predators!
For Sullivan & Dumont, however, the results were more disappointing. Despite given a healthy dose of offensive-zone opportunities, neither player was able to shift the balance of shots for & against in Nashville's favor as well as you'd like (look at those Adjusted Corsi numbers). Even when we look at basic results like Goals, Assists, and Points per 60 minutes, their numbers were downright mediocre. Yes, one can excuse a part of Dumont's totals because of the 4th-line status he was put into, but we're looking at the hole that needs to be filled; and in this case, there are not only jobs to fill on the offensive end, but there's great room for improvement, as well.
Opportunities abound
So let's start with the offensive end. This gives me a bit of hope:
| NAME | GP | TOI/60 | Corsi/60 | Rel Corsi | NetZS | Adj Corsi/60 | Adj Rel Corsi | Team Shoot % | Save % | G/60 | A/60 | Pts/60 |
| Niclas Bergfors | 72 | 12.8 | +5.9 | +12.1 | -16 | +7.1 | +13.6 | 6.9 | 911 | 0.58 | 1.17 | 1.85 |
Bergfors strikes me as someone who might be able to step right into Sully's old role; a "shootist" first and foremost, and someone whose goal-scoring might be due for a rebound after a criminally cold scoring stretch in Florida (scoring just one goal on 53 shots over 20 games). He was as cold as Sergei Kostitsyn was hot last year, and both should come back to the middle. If he earns the coaching staff's confidence and gets the opportunity (and let's be honest, that is a legitimate concern), Bergfors can fill a big hole on the wing.
Given the production which Dumont provided in a limited role, it's not hard to see one of the kids (Geoffrion, Halischuk, whoever) being able to replace that.
My concern, however, is more on what Goc & Ward provided to the Preds. A healthy Mike Fisher is certainly nice, but remember, Goc was done for the year shortly after Fisher arrived in trade, so we we know how the depth down the middle looks. If Cal O'Reilly's return is looked at as a boost, he'll need to step up his game, and he may have that opportunity if guys like Fisher, Legwand and Smithson get called upon for the defensive zone work, freeing up Cal for the offensive chances.
It's worth remembering, however, that if someone takes on an extra defensive workload, we should temper our offensive expectations. In other words, 40 points may be tough for Fisher to reach if he gets burdened like this.
What I'm really having trouble seeing is how the team fill's the void left by Ward's departure. Can a guy like Nick Spaling take on Ward's former shutdown role and tilt the ice like that (best Adjusted Corsi/60 among the forwards)? I have serious doubts there. And who would round out that shutdown line? Jordin Tootoo, perhaps? I was encouraged by Tootoo's playoff performance as much as any fan, but he'll have to break into new territory as well if he's going to be relied upon in such a key role for 82 games.
In total, I can see the Preds maybe being able to keep up with their scoring pace from last season (not significantly improving on it, mind you), but the real issue could be working the puck out of their own end. If they don't have the horses to get that done consistently, the offense may not even be worth worrying about.
Corsi/60: The balance of total shots (including shots on goal, missed & blocked shots) for and against the team while that given player is on the ice, pro-rated to 60 minutes of play. Basically, this is a proxy for whether the team is spending more or less time in the offensive end of the ice when that guy plays.
Rel Corsi: Short for Relative Corsi, this is the Corsi/60 number compared to what that same figure is while a given player is on the bench. For example, if a guy's Corsi is 0, but the team operates at a +5.0 clip while he's not on the ice, then that player's Relative Corsi is -5.0 (they do worse when he plays).
NetZS: Sort for Net Zone Starts, this equals Offensive Zone Faceoffs - Defensive Zone Faceoffs. For every start in either end of the ice, one can expect 1.1 Corsi events just due to that starting position. David Legwand, for example, took 86 more draws in the defensive end.
Adj Corsi/60: This corrects a player's Corsi/60 based on the NetZS number, reflecting the level of difficulty that this player had to deal with. If someone has a negative Corsi, but took lots of defensive zone faceoffs, then their Corsi should be adjusted higher.
Adj Rel Corsi: The same adjustment applied to Relative Corsi.
Team Shoot %: The team's shooting percentage while that player is on the ice. The typical range is from 7.5-10.0%. It's worth noting that there is very little evidence to show that an individual can do much to affect his team's overall shooting percentage.
Save %: The team's save percentage while that player is on the ice. Again, there is little evidence indicating that an individual skater can move this number significantly.
G/60, A/60, Pts/60: Basic offensive results - goals, assists and total points per 60 minutes.
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"Taking Advantage of Opportunities"
Poile: “We’ll be taking advantage of opportunities when they present themselves…I’m well aware that we probably need a couple of forwards to take us to the level to truly compete for the Stanley Cup.”
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Good articles over there, JP. I’m not sure that Ellis would be dealt at this time, not knowing what the future of the blue line will be after this season. Seems there might be good cause to think Andrei would be dealt here. I’d also be open to Jason Pominville from BUF, for a top-6 slot though.
Did Poile actually say this? And when? Much different tone then he had on Sirius the other day. Agree that AK46 is where we should be looking at.
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by Grizzledbear on Aug 26, 2011 6:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He said he believed we had the pieces here to make our offense better and said nothing in regards to looking for scoring help elsewhere. I tend to believe that he actually thinks that. Dirk put up the link to that sirius interview in another thread if you want to listen to it.
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by Grizzledbear on Aug 26, 2011 7:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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Great point about getting the puck out of our end with this current team.
With the loss of Ward and O’Brien in particular, we are a team that could get pinned in our own Dzone by an effective forecheck.
But the bigger issue than whether or not we can replace the offense we lost in the players named in this article is that we need to improve upon last seasons offense, not mearly replace it. With a somewhat weaker defense now and a loss of some grit, we will almost surely give up more goals in 11/12 than we did last season. This makes the failure to improve offensively that much more troublesome.
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by Grizzledbear on Aug 26, 2011 6:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
HUGE CONCERNS
JP gave us nothing so he is irrelevant to the conversation. im also a believer in sully be toast. he does give some quality chances, although he rarely capitalizes, but he is a defensive detriment and easily separated from the puck. goc was a good all purpose guy that we will miss. ward is a big body that isnt scared of the crease area, kills penalties and very reliable defensively. thats a huge hole, although not a huge offensive hole. of the 4 he is the only physical presence, which we need BADLY if we expect to make a playoff run. overall we have lost quite a lot but not huge offensive upside. 1 key aquisition could replace them all offensively. we have lost 2 quality penalty killers, a decent face off guy and a big body. while i dont think pomminville is getable, he fills alot of those holes. decent scorer, kills penalties. boyes is a bigger body and would be cheaper. also more 1 dimensional. in an improved central division i believe standing pat is suicide. we also should consider an o’brien type signing if the cube isnt good to go.
It will be interesting to see if we make a move. Poile picked up dumont because of salary issues and buffalo has issues."…..again. I also believe Poile wants a two way forward, not just a scorer, but a guy who will play defense and net us 50 points on the year.
What has Poile indicated of late that he has any interest in obtaining any type of forward? And again, it should be noted that the Sabres do not need to trade anyone, as they can simply demote Kotalik and Morrissonn to the AHL and get around being over the cap that way.
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by Grizzledbear on Aug 26, 2011 11:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
There was no indication when we picked up Dumont years ago and you are correct about the demotions…but a few injuries, a few callups and presto, sabres in trouble, cap wise.
by Predator Don on Aug 27, 2011 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The demotion of Kotalik and Morrisonn puts the Sabres about 1.5M under the cap, so they should be fine as long as they don’t get a ton of injuries.
As for the Dumont example, that was five years ago. It appears to me at least that Poile’s philosophy has changed since then. The continual need for scoring these past five years would seem to indicate that.
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by Grizzledbear on Aug 27, 2011 9:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let's face it
we’re not going to get the scoring help we need. GM’s just don’t trade those 30-40 goal scorers, not even for a Shea Weber, unless they are cleaning house and dumping tons of salary. If the Predators don’t find a way to dramatically improve the offense I see them fighting to stay out of the Central cellar and not making the playoffs.
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w/ the latter. i disagree on weber. there are gm’s that would trade a top 3 forward for weber.
by predswilrule on Aug 27, 2011 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with your agreement and disagreement………..I think that made sense. :D
Weber could definately get you a good forward back in return.
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by Grizzledbear on Aug 27, 2011 9:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So. I can look forward to little to nothing this season? Is that what you all have said? What then, is Poile’s ultimate goal? Is he waiting for his Russian to return to the fold and is just treading water until that occurs? Letting go of my favorite players has not made me happy and all this negative outlook for the coming season has me feeling really bad!! WAAAAHHH!!! ; }
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You can look forward to them pulling a rabbit out of a hat. It’s what these guys do. I’ve learned not to be surprised anymore. Probably my only comfort this offseason – been here before, thinking there’s no way they get into the playoffs. And then they find a way. So maybe just enjoy the ride, watch the kids, hope that some of them surprise you, take comfort in the big three intact for at least one more season … and hope GMDP makes a move at some point. I still think he will.
by el pucko on Aug 28, 2011 10:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, you can always look forward to more disengenuos rhetoric from GMDP! Never a short supply of that.
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by Grizzledbear on Aug 28, 2011 11:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha, yes, that too, unfortunately. Some.of that I think just comes with the position. And then I really think the difficulties with the Weber negotiation took him by surprise … and maybe impact the things he might have done. On the plus side, you should probably throw out the Sirius interview, too. Probably means he’s shopping.
Anyone call Montreal yet?
by el pucko on Aug 28, 2011 7:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Probably not the guy who needs to make that call. ;)
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by Grizzledbear on Aug 28, 2011 9:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

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