Shea Weber Is Signed - Now What?
At long last, the wait is over. The dark cloud that lingered over the 2011 season has cleared. Shea Weber has a contract and will officially be a member of the Nashville Predators in 2012. We can all kick back and relax, eager for next season to begin, because our captain is signed and all is good with the world.
Right?
Wrong.
Sure, Weber "signed" a contract yesterday, but the last few days of #WeberWatch and the subsequent arbitration hearing have done more harm than good. What was once a perfect marriage between a budding superstar and a young franchise has now become a tense relationship between two parties who can't even agree on the time of day anymore.
So the obvious question for Predators fans now becomes "Where do we go from here"? The captain is locked down for a year, but his future, along with the futures of the other two Nashville superstars, remain very much up in the air. Let's take a look at the options David Poile has going forward:
1. Negotiate a long-term deal
This is obviously the most appealing option, but it's much easier said than done. From the Predators' side this makes perfect sense, but for Weber it may not be the best option.
Weber wants to win a Cup. Period. But he doesn't want to sign a contract and subsequently be stuck on a team who, if we're being realistic, hasn't shown that they can go from being a good team to a great team. I do believe, however, that Shea would love nothing more than to parade the Cup around the Batman Building in June, but so far he just hasn't been shown that the Predators can get him there. For this reason, it appears Weber would not be willing to sign a multi-year deal with the Predators - at this point in time.
2. Let it be and revisit the issue next offseason
If nothing else, Shea Weber is a Predator in 2012 and there's virtually nothing he can do to stop that. Poile can simpy let him play out the year and into restricted free agency, but it wouldn't be as risky as you think. While teams could still sign the captain to an offer sheet, it's unlikely that any actually would, given the amount of compensation the Predators would be owed (likely 4 first round draft picks).
The Predators would then be able to negotiate with Weber yet again, though it would probably only result in a one-year deal, given the reasons listed in option 1, sending Weber into unrestricted free agency in 2013 where he could walk away scott-free. Or, as Jim Diamond points out, Weber could elect to take the team to arbitration and possibly cash in on more than the $7.5 million he was awarded this year.
While there may be little consequences off the ice, simply waiting until next offseason could, however, prove to be disastrous on it. There's no doubt Weber was the heart and soul of the Predators in 2011 and was a major part of the team finally breaking through to the second round. But would players respond as well to essentially a "sitting duck" captain in 2012? One has to think that players wouldn't be as willing to put their bodies on the line and play their hearts out for a guy who may or may not want to be a Predator the following year.
3. Trade Shea Weber
Easily the most extreme of David Poile's options, it might just be the one that makes the most sense. Like Dirk suggested yesterday, Weber and Poile need to sit down and have a little heart-to-heart to really find out if Shea really wants to remain a Predator. And if he doesn't, then it makes no sense keeping him around.
There is absolutely no questioning the piece this team lacks, and Weber could be the key to getting it. But the price would have to be steep. In addition to an elite scoring forward, Nashville would also need to acquire a veteran defenseman to take Shea's place on the blueline. Would there be anyone willing to pony up that much for Weber's talents?
Looking at the big picture, it appears that Poile has two years to show the captain that the Predators can compete for a Stanley Cup. And that has to start with acquiring a top-6 forward, as both sides have reiterated multiple times. Right now, Shea's contract brings the Predators to about $48.7 million in salary, and assuming they'll be spending around $52 - $54 million, there will be plenty of room to add some scoring that will almost have to come from a trade.
The other variables in this equation are the contracts of Pekka Rinne and Ryan Suter. Part of the organization's commitment to winning involves re-signing the team's other two superstars, and it's difficult to see Weber wanting to sign long term without those two, especially his partner on the blue line.
This offseason hasn't quite been the one that Predators fans were expecting after their historic 2011 season, and with the team going through arbitration with their captain, it only complicates matters more. The goal would be to make the all-world defenseman a Predator for life, but if the team doesn't show their committed to winning the Cup, or if Weber wants out of Nashville, his days as a Predator may already be numbered.
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4. Worry more about the two larger elephants in the room at this moment...
Suter and Rinne. Re-signing them or trading them is more important at this moment than anything to do with Weber now that his deal is done for this year.
oh and probably before that…
5. Go get a forward with that cash still sitting around.
Irresponsible
You assume the relationship has turned sour and tense and you present it as a foregone fact. This is speculation and is irresponsible to report as such.
by kakeemono on Aug 4, 2011 8:41 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I agree
we are all outsiders to this relationship and with how little both parties talk it makes it near impossible to say one way or the other.
Although let's agree with this
In yesterday’s meeting – GMDP did say that regarding him and Weber, hockey wise they are on the same page, but business wise they were not. That the contract negotiation sticking points were Term, Salary and Structure. Of course Weber is not going to say bad things, he is the captain of the team, and that’s not his MO. Plus, just going through arbitration has to have a negative impact on future relationships between the player and the front office – while everyone says it’s ‘just business’ – we are still dealing with people and egos….
And as many have said, what else is there to agree on in a contract besides term, salary & structure?
Bottom line is, they couldn’t even agree on a one-year deal to put off the issue. I can’t recall a situation like this between a team and its captain before.
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Dirk, so in your opinion – what happens here? Didn’t someone (Ciggaran?) say at SotU, that the ownership group was looking for new investors ? Does this signal perhaps that the team will start paying more than cap mid point ? I heard that with the arbitration ruling that the Preds are at the cap floor. Or does Weber or one of the other big 3 get traded at some point? It would seem to me from looking at past performance that GMDP does not want a large percentage of the team salary tied up in a few players – but unless they truly want the cup, perhaps this is a new strategy?
But all things said – arbitration for the team captain does not paint a good picture.
Even if they bring in new owners (which takes a lot of time) I doubt that will make a huge difference in available payroll. Let’s say you bring in some folks who help you pay off $20 million in debt. What’s the annual interest on that, $1-2 million? That’s all you’re reducing your costs on a year-by-year basis, so even if you throw all of that into the player budget that’s not a difference-maker to me.
We can’t say what will happen, but it will be interesting to see what Poile does prior to the start of the season. The money should be there to add some talent (and remember, with Bouillon still out, they have a hole on defense, too).
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If your Weber
why settle for the one year deal at 7.5 million before the arbitration. He got that during arbitration and now the team can no longer elect it. It might have been a near impossible task after the team elected arbitration to avoid offer sheets.
That's because the Preds were probably gonna try a 6-6.5 mil deal
for one year and Weber wanted 7-7.5
Cheap is as cheap does. Poile and the ownership wanted to see if they could squeak an extra mil to sign another player, but guess what?
They’re pretty much gone already.
What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...
Probably the most revealing quote, if we can figure out exactly what that means. I take it mean they agree on the current direction of the team, but they’re apart on the contract. Reaction to that might be “no duh,” but I read good things into the first part of his comment. This may not be about Weber saying “surround me with talent right now.”
don't forget...
tootoo, wilson, blum, smitty, o’reilly, kostitsyn, bergfors, lebda, stortini, wilson, and geoffrion all have contracts up next year.it will be an interesting offseason to say the least
You have to trade him.
Don’t get me wrong Shea Weber is probably the best d-man in the league, but he is not worth 7.5m unless he puts up Bobby Orr numbers. Trade him while you still can, but for who?
Patience is a virtue........ in my case could you hurry up!!
by Clint Burkhalter on Aug 4, 2011 8:45 AM EDT reply actions
There's more to being a D man than scoring
Like, oh I don’t know… playing defense?
Its what most figured he would get at the end of the season
the 7.5 was the number most people thought he would get. Fair money in my perspective.
I am hesitant to comment on the relationship between them
Mainly because we really do not know what was said and how it was received. Now you could take their word for it from the conference call yesterday and everything is fine it was just a business move as far as the contract goes and both sides are over it. You could also assume the worst and that Shea is fed up with the team because of how they handled it and the numbers they were trying to force upon him. To believe the later I feel would be a mistake due to the reason I stated because we just dont know what happened between the two of them or how each side felt. Neither side is much on elaborating on everything but that in its self is is a fact. Shea is not one for run to the cameras or reporters and start throwing out risky quotes and neither is GMDP.
If you feel that you have to say that just because they didnt work out the contract before the hearing their relationship is now rocky and Shea wants out and we should trade him then you are being very naive in my opinion. How can you accurately comment on their relationship when we really know next to nothing about it. All we know is what they said in the conference call which is that it was a business move on both sides and they both are putting it behind them and moving on.
Yea I understand that and he is great at it, but he is not worth 7.5m. 6.5 maybe, besides we won’t get him long term unless he takes a pay cut. Poile should trade him while he can.
Patience is a virtue........ in my case could you hurry up!!
by Clint Burkhalter on Aug 4, 2011 8:52 AM EDT reply actions
Besides, I would like to see how well he does without Suter. He might do fine without him, he might even do better without him who knows, but let’s face it without Suter I don’t think Weber would be where he is today without him.
Patience is a virtue........ in my case could you hurry up!!
by Clint Burkhalter on Aug 4, 2011 8:59 AM EDT reply actions
Well, if last year is any indication of how he’d play without Suter, then he won’t do nearly as well.
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by Go_Titans_Preds_USC on Aug 4, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I heard a rumor
wantin’ and gettin’ are two different things :)
No way Poile trades those two, to our division rivals. If they go anywhere i would say they get shipped off to the east coast so we only have to see them once a year.
Patience is a virtue........ in my case could you hurry up!!
by Clint Burkhalter on Aug 4, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Though
it would depend on what we can get back. If Detroit gave us the best deal, as much a I would hate it, it might be best to trade with them.
Who would you want from Detroit? Suter and Weber are in there 20’s, and almost all there players are in there 30’s. The only team in the division I would deal with is Chicago.
Patience is a virtue........ in my case could you hurry up!!
by Clint Burkhalter on Aug 4, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey
I’m just sayin. If they threw us a Franzen and a Zetterberg, and some draft picks and some hot prospects… I’d start to think about it :)
I get what your saying, I would just rather have players in there 20’s. That’s why Chicago is the best trade partner in the division. Toews, Seabrook, and a pick or prospect. For that trade they can have them.
Patience is a virtue........ in my case could you hurry up!!
by Clint Burkhalter on Aug 4, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Datsyuk and Zetterberg...
Franzen would blow with out those two clearing space for him.
What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...
Don't forget
some draft picks and and some hot prospects! :)
If Nashville moves to the East, they won’t be our division rival anymore
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This brings up a good point.
What happens when the league takes a look at realigning this coming year. That will throw a wrench into some plans i’m sure. Right now our team is built to compete with detroit and chicago but what happens if they are no long our rivals and we end up taking atlanta’s spot in the east?
Nothing can happen until after January 1st at the earliest. I think that will give us enough to give us a better sense of what is happening with other negotiations and with the new players coming up. Who knows, maybe Ellis the wonder kid of western Canada is ready now to step to the plate and be a major factor. Maybe some of these other will catch on fire? This could happen just as easily as some of the more dire predictions. Talk to me again at Thanksgiving.
You say wait 2 years???
I think that is the worst thing you can do out of all possible scenarios. You need to start attempting to re-sign him for at least another 3 to 5 years ASAP. If you are going to trade him you either do it right now or in the next off-season. The worst thing is waiting until he is on his UFA off-season and then trying to re-sign him. Once you do that you get absolutely nothing if he walks. So essentially we have 1 year before a decision needs to be made one way or the other.
by Thomas Magnum277 on Aug 4, 2011 9:08 AM EDT reply actions
if rinne gets traded...
I hope it would be to a team we face once a year. I don’t want our team try to score on him on a regular basis
if Peks gets traded
We’re in for a world of hurt. He was clearly MVP of the team last season.
by XVIII on Aug 4, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
First, we haven’t a clue as to what went on in the meetings, what Weber thinks, what Poile thinks, what is going or not going to happen in the future. Second, we can be fairly certain that nothing will happen until January. By that time, we will know if this event will have affected the playing and cohesiveness of the team. Until that time, we would do better to find something else to speculate about. Yeah, I know it’s a slow time, but really, we have absolutely no basis on which to state a valid opinion, one way or the other.
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I voted Trade
But I do believe we should wait until after this season. We would still get a really good return, and if he signed long term after that ( a 5 year contract of 8, 8, 7,7,7 would be worth it).
With Weber getting 7.5 Suter would get ~6-6.5? Rinne ~5.5-6?
Does anyone else think this is risky for Shae?
I mean, the chance of injuries being what they are in the NHL, a one year contract seems to be a very bad idea, particularly since contract money is guaranteed. One bad injury and you can be done. A long term contract averaging out at about 7 mil a year seems a much smarter bet. All this talk about making sure Poile can ice a quality team seems like a smokescreen. If a player really wants to be traded in the middle of a contract, the sides can generally make that happen because both sides have an incentive.
wait it out
I surprised myself by saying this, but here’s the deal. If the Preds are to have any shot NOW, we need Weber. At least for this year, and likely next year as well. Yes, we also need a scoring threat, but Weber is still essential. So, I say wait it out. The team can compete the next 2 seasons, and PERHAPS (big IF) one of our younger wingers can mature and be close to what Weber is. Then if Weber leaves, it frees up that much more $$ to get the scoring threat. OR, we’re able to bring one in/get one developed and move forward regardless.
I think it’d be REALLY bad for the franchise to trade Weber now. The casual fans who jumped on board due to the teams success are going to expect the same this season. Weber is a name everyone knows now, and unless you bring in Sidney Crosby, it’ll be hard to replace.
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I agree to wait it out for at least this year (while continuing talks with Rinne and Suter and with Weber after Jan. 1). But, if we let Weber walk without anything in return, that would set us back quite a bit.
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by Go_Titans_Preds_USC on Aug 4, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Who would you rather have?
Weber at $7.5 million or Stamkos at $7.5 million?!
^ EXACTLY ^
I wanna have Weber’s babies, yes he’s a total stud, but he’s not a total game changer and not going to carry the whole team to Cup victory on his shoulders.
How many Stamkos’s you got lying around?
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Part Predator, part Lightning.
I'm thinking
the Sharks would have loved Weber during their playoff series with the Canucks.
I don't know what the problem is
I just turn of the salary cap and sign guys to 7yr/ 13mil per year contracts and I never have any problems in the video games.
Is that not how this all works?
EASports lies!
Nope, that's how it works!
These people are WAY over complicating things. Now excuse me, I need to go score my 3500th career goal.
Gonna miss you Joel Ward...
Go Predmirals!
Shea Weber: Money can't win you all
First, I’d like to say ‘Hi!’ This is my first post On the Forecheck… This very topic is just so annoying, I’ve got to give my few cents…
Personally I feel the 7.5M given by the arbitrator are too much. It’s like a slap in the face for a small market franchise that has to turn around every penny twice. It’s also a free ticket for Weber to demand >8M for his next deal… with whatever team. But that’s something the Preds just can’t offer… cuz it means you’ll have to offer nearly the same to Suter… and around 5.6M to 6M for Rinne. That’d be something like 22M for 3 players… insanity, esp in hockey with a concussion looming every corner. How will people look at Poile if he hands out that much money and one of his priceless players is shelved on the injury list for weeks (if not months?). The only way to get out of this is to trade Weber for a top notch forward sooner or later. It really hurts, cuz it means loosing one of the best players this franchise ever had. One that we could identify with.
But, how much does Weber identify himself with the Preds? Sure, he wants his Stanley… But Dirk Nowitzki over in the NBA wanted its equivalent too… and got it – by accepting less money to allow his team to get better players. That’s true leadership and identification.
But
he could have asked for more. Like Weber did. Relatively speaking, if Weber accepted $6.5 mil over $7.5 mil for the betterment of the team, it would be the same type of “sacrifice”. We’d love the opportunity to toss a million dollars. but for a prime athlete, chasing every penny is often the goal. How many times do you hear an athlete wants to be “the highest paid whatever” over “they left a few dollars on the table to help the team win”?
How do you know Weber wouldn’t have accepted a lower figure (not much lower, but maybe 7M)? His side submitted a high salary just as the Preds submitted a low one, Weber just got the better of the decision. Maybe if we had improved the team earlier this summer Weber would have accepted something less. We really don’t know either way.
Shadows only exist when something of substance appears first.......
by Grizzledbear on Aug 4, 2011 7:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know
what Weber was looking for. But hope I can safely assume that Poile offered a 1 year deal similar to what the Devils did with Parise at a reasonable amount to avoid arbitration. I don’t know that he did, If he didn’t, then this is all on Poile. But I don’t know that he didn’t. I really don’t know that Weber is actually looking for every penny. I think it’s more of a ploy by Weber and his agent to force the Preds hand. The actual amount of the arbitration amount doesn’t mean too much to me. He does deserve that much. However, if Poile did come in with a 1 year deal for $6-7 mil to avoid arbitration, and Weber said no, then I think there is more involved than just “wanting to get his fair value”. It becomes more about “I want leave and to go to a ‘winning’ team”.
How it played out
It should be no shock how this played out. The Preds wanted league to set the price so now they can try to sign him up for a long term deal…maybe ~ $20 over 3 years or $26-$28 over 4. If they offer that kind of a deal they will force him to decide how much he really wants to stay in Nashville and if he balks the Club and the fans will know where we all stand with him and they can get on with signing Suter and Rinne and trying to trade #6 for some scoring. This is a business, let’s not forget, and I believe this was an excellent strategic move by DP and the owners to force the Captain’s hand which is what they needed to do.
I don’t see any way that Weber takes less annually in his next deal than $7.5 million, unless it’s one of those nut-job deals with bogus years for $1 million at the end.
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I’m still pretty frickin irked by all of this, so I’m just not even going to discuss it anymore and just look forward to the season. Maybe we’ll shock the world and win the Cup, and we don’t have to worry much about this crap anymore.
Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?

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