Saturday's notes: How is the Central shaping up?
Welcome to the dog days of summer, the long expanse of August which can be like a wasteland for hockey fans. With the Shea Weber story having played out for the time being, we don't expect major activity around the Preds for the next few weeks, until training camp approaches in September.
That, then, makes this a fine time to consider broader speculative questions about the season ahead - so I'll ask you, how do you see the Central Division shaping up this fall? Here's my quick take on where the teams stand:
Detroit - still kings of the hill, they've lost Brian Rafalski but brought in Ian White, and have moved on from the Chris Osgood era by bringing back Ty Conklin as the backup goalie.
Chicago - They've added some beef on the blueline and were able to shed Brian Campbell's ridiculous contract at the same time.
Nashville - Has the best goaltending in the division and talent on defense, but as always, goal-scoring is a big question mark.
Columbus - Added two difference-makers in Jeff Carter and James Wisniewski, but I think they'll miss Jan Hejda more than many would admit.
St. Louis - Some interesting pieces there, but I'm not a fan of their blueline, and if David Perron can't go, that's a big blow to their forward ranks.
I'd like to see your thoughts on how the division looks heading into 2011-2012, so jump into the comments after reading your morning hockey news...
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Nashville Predators News
The 303:30 – Preds blogger roundtable reaction to the Shea Weber verdict | Section 303
Jeremy conducted a discussion featuring him and Codey, myself and Marc from OTF, and Ryan Porth of Smashville 24/7.
A 303 QUICK HIT: Kostitsyn training with Yunost-Minsk… | Section 303
A good sign that SK74 will report to camp next month ready to build on last season's results.
Coach Trotz's Impact (Ryan Porth -- Smashville247.net) - Nashville Predators
The Preds are running a series of articles submitted by the bloggers around town, and Ryan Porth goes first, writing about the head coach.
Hockey Night in Nashville: Time has come to look forward, not back
Robby gives downtrodden Preds fans a motivational kick in the rear end.
Weber’s Future in Nashville Doubtful - Houses of the Hockey
More cheerfulness to kick off your weekend, although I'd take minor issue with some of Kent's salary discussion around the Preds.
David Poile’s focus now split three ways - Predators Insider
Josh Cooper highlights the difficulty of getting the core of Suter, Weber & Rinne signed to new contracts.
Franson weighs in on Weber - Predators Insider
A little serving of Fruit Cup for you this morning.
Around the NHL
The NHL’s unemployed free-agent defensemen club - Puck Daddy
Can we get Scott Hannan, please??? With SOB gone and Cube still dinged up, I'm really concerned about who's going to work the PK.
By The Numbers: How Much Better Does Steve Mason Need to Be? - The Cannon
That Calder Trophy-winning performance of 2008-9 just recedes further and further into the background, doesn't it?
Doughty holdout talk: Harbinger of doom or scare tactic? - Puck Daddy
Man, these RFA defenseman are getting pesky, aren't they?
Hawks seek championship contender status again - NHL.com
After working their way through a salary cap pinch last season, the Blackhawks could be ready to bounce back up among the NHL's elite teams.
Friday Thoughts: Hockey Media, Stalkers, Sean Avery and Doping - KuklasKorner
Alanah offers up a quartet of interesting points here. #1 gets a "hell yeah" out of me, and as regards #3, one can guess why one of my early posts at OTF drew lots of web searchers looking for hung dudes.
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Now this sounds interesting...
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I am not-so-secretly pulling for Dex to take that job away from Mason, just cuz I like Dex. But either way, I expect CBJ to be better in net—new competitive atmosphere and new goalie coach. Mason is much more likely to take it all very seriously and get prepared for games. He has the skills, he’s just been mentally lazy (IMO, of course).
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
You both have the right ones. I think the division will be even tighter next season. Seems like the bottom got better and the top a bit worse (or flat at best).
by el pucko on Aug 6, 2011 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Could be a big log jam.
The way I see it, the Blues and Jackets will be in that 8pt. improvement range, the Wings holding steady about where they were, the Hawks slightly improving (no more Stanley Cup hangover) and us sliding back 4 to 6pts.
The good news is that the other 4 teams have mostly put their 11/12 rosters together, so we have a good idea of what their teams will look like. We still have room to make a move or two to improve our roster, so we could still get things back on track here. Whether we do so or not will likely determine whether we make the playoffs or not, IMO.
Shadows only exist when something of substance appears first.......
by Grizzledbear on Aug 6, 2011 12:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I think that’s about right. I should probably amend my post above. Hawks are better, dangerous team.
by el pucko on Aug 6, 2011 12:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It sounds like the holdup with Hannan is term, not dollars. I think he has had a number of 1-2 year deals but he’s looking for a longer term deal. I’m not sure if that fits with what NSH is trying to do, but he’s still a good player and he’ll eventually become a solid addition for some team’s blueline.
Also, Dekanich clocked in at 16 on the Goalie Guild’s prospect ranking. I’m rooting hard for the guy, but I’m totally biased. He’s still a long shot but it’s great to see that he’ll be in the NHL full time (or so it appears as of now). I’d also love to see him rip the starting job away from Steve Mason, but I don’t think it’s very likely.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Unless we find some way to unload Lebda on someone (and more importantly, his 1.45M contract), adding more Dman salary to our payroll when we still haven’t addressed our scoring issues is a bad way to go, IMO.
Shadows only exist when something of substance appears first.......
by Grizzledbear on Aug 6, 2011 1:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s probably true, but there are always ways to get salary off the payroll if you need to. GMDP showed he’s not afraid to send a little dowry, so I think if you guys wanted to open the space up you could.
I just don’t think that it makes sense to take on Hannan with a 4 year term considering how many young D you already have to make room for in the coming years. Sure, some will be traded, but moving them should be a hockey move, not a Franson-as-dowry move. A one-time dowry is ok, but I wouldn’t want to make that a habit, and I’m sure GMDP probably agrees.
Obviously, this is all speculation.
Que?
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
Very precocious of you. :)
Shadows only exist when something of substance appears first.......
by Grizzledbear on Aug 6, 2011 1:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m not sure how likely it is that Dex will take the starter’s job. Weirder things have happened, though. I truly expect Mason to get more consistent and if he does, he’ll keep his job. Dex will get the chance to get better, too, though, both through training and through starts. Mason’s likely on a relatively short leash up there, and he’s been starting fewer and fewer games the past couple of years.
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
Losing Brian Campbell
isn’t exactly a non-factor to me and Crawford could easily see a dip in his numbers as he was good but not exactly elite. I look for the Hawks to be pretty pedestrian defensively. Top notch offense again though. Don’t count them out of any game. Also…Chelsea Dagger. Best goal song in the NHL.
CBJ should be one of the worst defenses in the West, so I think they once again reward a wounded fan-base with a streaky team, at best, with some very bad decisions in the off-season, sans the signing of Dex. It’s hard to imagine he will looks as good in their system as he has in ours though.
STL… They picked up guys three guys who are in decline but could still add some consistency and leadership…maybe? I think they are the hardest team in the division to gauge so who knows?
DET is going to dip. It has to happen sometime and I think that time is finally here.
The Preds should be stellar again on defense and in goal and should improve offensively this year, even if it is only marginally. I see them finishing a little closer to the top 3rd on offense than the bottom 3rd.
So, I think the west will again logjam overall but my crystal ball says:
1 – NSH
2 – CHI
3 – DET
4 – STL
5 – CBJ
I think you’re dreaming, my friend. Detroit won’t dip that far. Also I think Columbus can be better than St Louis.
Crawford’s year will depend on who gets the backup job, Emery or Salak. Emery will mentor him, but Salak won’t challenge him overly much.
However it turns out, the division’s gonna be so close that injuries and luck will play even more important roles than last year.
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
I think they dip from 105 points, not tank it or anything. I think we will bust 100 for sure and the Hawks should be right there. It’s really probably closer to a coin toss though because I think you are right about how tight things are going to be. I still think DET gives up the division. I’ll let you buy me a beer if I’m wrong.
Columbus can get better but…seriously, their defense is just so bad it’s hard for me to believe they will challenge for more than 4th place in the division.
by Marcus Newman on Aug 6, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it seems like a bigger drop to see a 3 next to Detroit than it would be looking strictly at points. It’s just gonna be so close. One bad break could send any one of these teams to the bottom. I’m still not sure I’d go quite so low as 3rd for Detroit, but that’s just me. I’m okay with CBJ at 4 and STL at 5.
Ha ha! Look at me trying to sound like I’m some sort of expert! :D
"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.
You expertly decided to come back and join our discussions...
and for that I applaud and salute you. We can’t have the negative without the positive to balance it out. Trust me, after the Weber situation, I’ve pulled a Jekyll and Hyde act myself…and I’m usually the positive one. ;^D
by HardCorePredFan316 on Aug 6, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I was totally digging your post...
Right until you said Chelsea Dagger is the best goal song…
Nothing like about 200 duh duh duhs in a row,,,
What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...
Haha yeah. I didn’t like that song before I knew it was their goal song. Derp derp derp-derp-der-der-der-d-derp!
Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?
Almost as bad as
The Sharks laming up “Rock and Roll Pt 2”
Looking at the changes, and what we know now, (Matt Lombardi anyone?) I have my doubts that we will place that high. Not to be a pessimist, and I know we are traditionally good on D, but we will have some adjustment period for the new kids coming up. They will have some growing pains, and as fans, let’s not forget that.
As objective as I’d like to be, I have a hard time seeing us out defending Chi’s offense, including many of the other teams in our division. I’d pick Chi to take the top spot.
Detroit’s Howard was not as solid last year, and while he’s not a bad goalie, I feel he’s on the better side of mediocre in the league. Detroit will continue to contend, and their “dropoff” may not be as drastic as some may hope. How many years have we been talking about “this is the year” when it comes to Detroit’s slide out of the dynasty years? I’m looking for Det to contend for 2nd or 3rd place.
Depending on our ability to not be a streaky team, and actually put some goals into the net, I think we are looking at being anywhere from 2nd at best, and as poor as 4th. Realistically, if something happened to our D, we will be looking at some talented but green young men filling spots. We rely so heavily on our Defense, (because we have to) don’t forget we still have to outscore the other team to win. I have hope for some of our young boys up front, but I doubt that it will all click at once, and be consistent throughout the year.
Columbus and STL, are teams that have been on the bottom for the last several years, and I’m looking for someone to break out of the funk.
STL has pieces in place to rise from their recent depths. If they can be healthy, they have the talent to overtake us in points. If their goalie plays as well as he has in playoff times, they should have an increase over last year with their star players and the injuries.
Columbus has added some talent, and I can’t but think that they cannot continue to be so low in the standings year after year. If Mason gets his rookie year back, and Nash and Carter click, Wis brings the grit, don’t expect to be talking down that far about Col. Expect them to be nipping on our heels, unless we are nipping at theirs.
Let’s celebrate that we can all enjoy the coming season and see how it will all play out starting in just 61 days. Go Preds!
I don’t think losing Hejda is going to impact us as much as y’all might think. Martinek is arguably the exact same sort of player. And Methot is getting much much better.
Worst D in the Central? Unquestionably – but the Central is the home of the likes of Weber, Keith, Lidstrom, Suter, Seabrook, and Kronwall, so that frankly isn’t saying much. Worst in the West is arguable, but a bit of a stretch – we at least have four or five top-4 defensemen (even if none of them are really top-pairing guys in an ideal world). That’s more than quite a few teams out there can say.
In any case, I’m definitely looking forward to seeing how the season turns out! :D
In the west, as tight as it appears on paper, it may come down to injuries.
I believe Chicago will be a few points worse. They picked up a lot of muscle, but that muscle will need to play hockey at some point. Thier style of play may be divided.
You don’t lose a Rafalski and feel the pinch….Plus, one of thier d men is a legend, but a 41 year old legend. Conklin as ur back up is a downgrade.
Columbus gave thier fans excitment, but how many 5-4 games can you win?
St Louis, I can’t tell thier direction. I’ll be nice and comment they picked up some “experience”.
Of course, we need our yound d men to play well and we need no distractions in the locker room.
Conklin is an upgrade...
… over a Joey MacDonald or an injured Chris Osgood.
Not very optimistic
No more Goc, Ward, Sully, Dumont, Franson, or O’Brien. Bouillon is a total question mark, so that’s potentially two spots open to who knows? Sully and Dumont might not be missed, but this team WILL feel the loss of Goc and Ward, with no one to immediately take their places. By the end of last season this team appeared to be half Admirals anyway, and it appears more will be called up now to fill these vacant spots. Throw in some inevitable injuries and that number will increase even further. I personally find a roster of mostly AHL players laughable, and without a lot of veteran leadership, what happens?

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