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Monday's notes: Preds ponderings

Get into your work week with a healthy dose of hockey news this morning; we've got a roundtable discussion regarding Nashville's Big 3, a look at whether a division rival is ready to pull ahead of the Preds, and a comparison of just how tough hockey players are compared to... baseball.

So jump on in!

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PuckScene Roundtable: Which of the "Big 3″ is the least expendable? | PuckScene.com
Patten takes a different angle on the big question of this summer, and calls in the troops for a variety of opinion.

Getting ready for the season: Will Ryan Ellis crack Nashville’s roster?
Might the 2009 1st-round pick bypass Milwaukee and jump right into the Predators' lineup this fall?

Smashville 24/7: Getting to know Blogger's Row: Dirk Hoag
Ryan was good enough to include me in his Blogger's Row series, even though I cover only a handful of games from there each year.

Preds prospects Balisy, Watson impress in first game of USA Camp… | Section 303
You know it's August when all we've got action-wise is a scrimmage at a camp to get teams ready for a tournament that's four months away! It's good to see Austin Watson and Chase Balisy tear it up, though.

Paul McCann - The Sunday Discussion - How Much Is Too Much?
Paul wonders if it's even worth keeping the Big 3 together, considering how much it will cost.

Driving Play: A Look at the Shea Weber Arbitration Deal
A good quantitative overview of Weber's value to the Preds, and the possible notion that Ryan Suter is the one actually pushing play up-ice the most.

Behind Enemy Lines: Previewing Nashville with On the Forecheck’s Dirk Hoag
This Chicago Blackhawks blog is touring the Central, and asked for my input on how the Preds are shaping up.

Preds On The Glass: POTG Weekend Headlines, News and Links: Surprising Breaking News Included
Buddy's bounty of bytes crushes your dreams of Festival Tennessee.

You Can Touch the Predators at the Nashville - Zoo Zoo and Aquarium Visitor News
Mark your calendars for August 28, that's the team's day at the Nashville Zoo.

How Far Back Do You Go With The Admirals? | Admirals Roundtable
Ryan dips into the old memory bank...

Boclair: Waiting game | Nashville City Paper
David Boclair sees Shea Weber as having bought himself time and flexibility with his decisions this summer.

Around the NHL

Hockey Players Are Tougher Than Baseball Players: 10 Stunning Stories - SportsTVJobs.com
This comparison of hockey injuries vs. baseball injuries will leave you howling, guaranteed!

Dropkick Murphys’ tasty tribute to Alex Burrows - Puck Daddy
Even Preds fans will appreciate this...

Re-tooled Blue Jackets eager for more - NHL.com - 30 in 30
NHL.com's preview series turns to a division rival. Have they done enough to threaten for a playoff spot?

Casino-tax money may help keep Jackets here | The Columbus Dispatch
I would think that keeping their spending in line (there's no reason they should be above the mid-point) and working to achieve their full share of revenue sharing would be the way to go, but the Blue Jackets are starting to invoke the specter of relocation in their fight for public support in Columbus.

Blues are the sleeper team of the Western Conference - USATODAY.com
At the very least, St. Louis should be able to pour in some goals this year - but can they stop them in their end?

An Introduction to Hockey Analytics Part 4.1: An Introduction to Possession Metrics (Corsi and Fenwick) - Lighthouse Hockey
More good background for those of you with basic questions about advanced hockey stats.

Wild Dump James Sheppard to the Sharks - Hockey Wilderness
I think Minnesota and San Jose are engaging in some kind of stealth franchise swap... this is the 3rd trade between these two teams this summer.

Hockey Returns: The Ivan Hlinka Memorial Starts Today - Puck Worlds
A major international tournament for the best teenage players in the world gets rolling.

The Arena Debate - Everyone Has Been Here Before - The Copper & Blue
Derek thinks that a new arena in Edmonton is a foregone conclusion - that may be the case, but the debate over such things can get pretty interesting depending on each individual market's situation, such as Long Island.

Lack of job openings puts Marty Turco’s future in jeopardy - Puck Daddy
Marty Turco looks like the odd goalie out right now, and may be best off keeping in shape and waiting to see if a job opens up due to injury somewhere around the NHL this fall.

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I think Amanda's right on this one

none of the Big 3 are expendable anymore. Now Poile? He might be expendable.

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
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by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ll second that! If the Preds organization can not demonstrate the ability to not only produce but retain hockey talent, the Preds organization will have a hard time producing and retaining fans. Do not let this team become a glorified AHL team, Mr. Poile!

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by Chas-E on Aug 8, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

James Sheppard has certainly struggled, but I think it’s a bit harsh to call him a wild dump

by 3DLink on Aug 8, 2011 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Why does the link feature not work, but just pasting the url in the reply box does work?
http://instantrimshot.com/

by 3DLink on Aug 8, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Toxic dump is more appropriate.

Or, humongous dump, or the Browns are going to the Superbowl dump, or the kids are being dropped off at the pool dump, or someone just burned a mule dump…

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Aug 8, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Day-One Season Ticket Holder, here

This is the first off-season that I’ve spent reading hockey blogs.

My favorite is OTFC, and I’ve learned some good stuff, here, and have been able to keep up with many more of the details that I would have normally missed, during the Summer.

I am curious, though…..

Players come and go…..are bought, sold and traded……..so, each of my authentic Preds sweaters have personalized words, rather than players’ names.
I really like a few players and others pretty much disgust me, for what they are getting paid while OBVIOUSLY underachieving.

However….Poile and Trotz are the constants………..and have been responsible for a HUGE percentage of the success that my team has seen.

I understand if some Preds fans disagree with Poile/Trotz……….but I would really like to know whether each detractor is a season ticket holder OR an occasional attendee OR simply a person who watches the Preds play on TV when they don’t really have much else to do.

I see value in nearly EVERY person’s opinion……….but I can hardly put much weight on a simple/occasional TV fan’s call for Trotz/Poile’s demise……especially under the obvious financial circumstances that the Predator’s organization has always found themselves in.

We are the 30th largest media market…..making our advertising revenues TENS OF MIILIONS of dollars less, per year, than larger market teams…….and this will never change.

We can stay at the midway salary cap, to get an NHL subsidy……sell more tickets and/or raise the ticket prices………..that’s about it.

The higher ticket prices have already forced many season ticket holders to drop seats and sit in cheaper sections…………..and there is a possibility that there are many fans who want to change the team, while not buying tickets, themselves.

Poile and Trotz have brought us this far.

I have always helped to pay their salaries and see THEIR efforts as worthy of support.

I just want to see my hockey team play hard………..and I’m less interested in winning a cup if it means that I can’t afford my season seats to watch it happen.

To make it to the Finals, on our budget, will be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy worth the patience it takes.

by LetUsPrey on Aug 8, 2011 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

STH, fd1. The 2/20 ddeal is the best thing going. I hope my seats dont get too expensive, too soon.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 11:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So if we aren't season ticket holders...

… or current ones at least, our opinions don’t matter?

Way to win over new fans! :P

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

and if you’re a STH lower bowl attack twice…you really get to have an opinion

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by Chas-E on Aug 8, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t be a fan and work second shift, either.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 12:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Or third shift for that matter.

Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?

by DonBorvio on Aug 8, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now I know why Erat didn’t deliver my free Frosty to me last season! He must have saved that gesture for season ticket holders only!

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by Chas-E on Aug 8, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or be in the military..deploying in October…I’m gunna miss my hockey nights.

by Gnashvillepreds on Aug 8, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nearly ALL opinions matter……just read my post

by LetUsPrey on Aug 8, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please clarify some of your statements

It seems like you are saying that only STH are allowed to complain. I hope that’s not what you are saying. FWIW, most of the people who post here are diehard fans who watch as much as they can, pay for the things they can afford to pay for, and are quite knowledgeable about what’s going on. Many are not even in Nashville.

I would rather see us engage in a discussion about the team than start calling people out for not being STH. We all know the Preds have a budget. That budget doesn’t have to be allocated the same way it always has. And if Poile is not the right fit any longer, then it’s okay to think about whether it would help to find someone else, as long as we are respectful and give actual reasons for what we say. If he is no longer able to negotiate with his players, that’s a real concern, and it doesn’t have to have anything to do with how much money he spends, just on what he spends that money on.

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

:P

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are Sure Talking Hockey, From Day 1!

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 12:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

:D

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t Trade Pekka!

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I used to be a STH...

…. so I can trade Pekka any chance I get!!

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not any more. Cough up the dough or I get to keep my goalie. :D

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone can and SHOULD complain………..ALL I was asking is who IS and who is NOT a STH, so that I can see who helps pay the bills versus those who have valid-yet-rhetorical suggestions and fair-weather accusations against Trotz and Poile…….

And I totally agree, and said so, that I really love the discussions, here, more than any other blog.

I’m simply used to hearing many of these same opinions in the concourses and vomitoriums of the Bridgestone, before and during and after games…….so one knows that the fan has spent a few bucks to be there.

I have upper-level seats and spend a larger percentage of my income on my tickets than anyone I’ve net in 13 years. I work nearly 7 full days a week in a small retail business…..for 42 years.

Everyone here, and everywhere, should voice their opinions……they all have weight…….and are as valid as they worth.

ALLLLL I am is a STH…I’m no expert……….and I surely never talk like one.

I simply have an opinion that Poile and Trotz are uniquely skilled at creating and maintaining my team and keeping it here, in Nashville.

My original post is in response to several posters who want Trotz and Poile canned.

Our team……….. the players……….changes every year and I love the threads about each player’s strengths and weaknesses.

Poile and Trotz are NOT above criticism……but to be one of only five other teams to make the playoffs as often as we have, these past several years, proves that Poile/Trotz CAN and DO “squeeze blood out of a turnip”, as they say, in the South.

by LetUsPrey on Aug 8, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see too many people here who want to see Trotz or Poile fired, but they are certainly open to criticism.

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by Dirk Hoag on Aug 8, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen you. You have LetUsPrey on the back of a jersey, no?

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see your source that says that we are the NHL’s 30th largest media market.

As for your opinion that only STH’s opinions matter…I was unaware that hockey knowledge was directly equivalent to someone’s disposable income.

You are aware that some of the writers on this site are not full STHs, right? Two of them even spend a large portion of the year…GASPout of state!

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What makes you think that my STH money is considered disposable?

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Because part of it was used to buy out Brett Lebda?

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Disposable Heroes of Hip Hockey, see?

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1.4

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Aug 8, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

P.S.

How can we be 30th in media size when there are 7 teams in Canada?

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Was about to make this point, glad someone else did. Even if the Canadian teams did count the Nashville metro area is larger than the Edmonton and Winnipeg Metro areas so we wouldn’t be last, we may be larger than other markets as well but I’m not entirely sure.

but then again im not a STH so what do it know? :p

by Joel Ward is my Homeboy on Aug 8, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now if he meant 30th overall in the country that is accurate but we are right around Raleigh and above Columbus and Buffalo.

by Joel Ward is my Homeboy on Aug 8, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, meant to put that, thanks for pointing out my error.

by Joel Ward is my Homeboy on Aug 8, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nashville is 44th in media market share.

That doesn’t translate to “hockey market share” however.

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus...

The Rangers, Devils and Isles share ONE market

Ducks and Kings share one market.

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Couldnt find the exact number but I didn’t really try to hard either.

And this is a very good point about the shared markets.

by Joel Ward is my Homeboy on Aug 8, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only Buffalo is smaller than Nashville

…. and I guess the Isles semi-share a market (Nassau-Suffolk has it’s own market, I guess?)

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was my question…plus, I’m fairly certain that we’re a larger market than Buffalo and pretty close to Raleigh.

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

None of us Chattanoogans have opinions, btw...

Too bad, I sorta-kinda agreed with your assessment of DP and BT.

Gonna miss you Joel Ward...

Go Predmirals!

by Poiju on Aug 8, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was referring to the size of the NATIONAL media market, here in Nashville…..and did not suggest the market size of only NHL teams.

Sorry, my bad, we are #47 on this chart:
http://www.radio-media.com/markets/main.html

….but #30 on this one:
http://www.proadvance.com/topmediamarkets.html

Here’s a link to Forbes’ pages on the NHL teams and their revenues.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/31/hockey-valuations-10_New-York-Rangers_315381.html

I had always heard the Rangers media deal, being owned by MSG network, was worth 100 million, while the Preds’ media deals came to a few million……….it appears to be true, from these pages.

Income doesn’t qualify anyone…….high/low.

Good, valid opinions are valuable…even if they are wrong.

I have obviously been misunderstood by people who didn’t read my post accurately.

by LetUsPrey on Aug 8, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Validity of a person’s opinion or their right to criticize/complain/applaud and comment on this team is not determined by the amount of $$$ spent on tickets.

Why is some guy busting his hump just to make his house payment and enjoying an occasional Preds game on TV not a valuable fan in your eyes?

by BradHerman on Aug 8, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Read my post…………all opinions are valuable.

by LetUsPrey on Aug 8, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where have you gone, Rodney King?

We need you say again, “People can’t we all just get along?”

by Hockey Hillbilly on Aug 8, 2011 12:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

No.

We’re an ornery bunch of non-STH with no valuable opinions.

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love you Cisar.

Gonna miss you Joel Ward...

Go Predmirals!

by Poiju on Aug 8, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

aww…shucks.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohh Kaaay

In that case, keep in mind that the Predators, unlike every other NHL team, rely on individual season ticket holders to fill the building rather than corporate sponsors. STHs are, in a word, an indispensable part of the team’s economic survival. Your opinions are no doubt highly informed and cogent. But pal, remember they put their money where their mouths are.

by Hockey Hillbilly on Aug 8, 2011 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I did before

Now I am married… hence no more funds for stuff like that.

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It gives me and my wife forty scheduled date nights a year… Best Dates, Ever.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pregnant wife doesn't like the travel...

… plus we’re having the baby in November.

Priorities = sux!

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

My son was due last Nov. 21. Checked the date against the schedule as soon as it was released. Luckily, it was during a road trip. Unluckily, he was born Nov. 1st. Luckily, it was during another road trip. His first game was twelve days later, a shootout win vs. Chicago. His next two games were also shootouts. He finished the season 21-11. Pretty good record, I think.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool. Bring him to as many games as you can. We can use the help. :)

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like your quote.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So does Bernie. He’s a happy guy. Loves shoes, apparently; not sure why :)

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because they make him happy…?

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 hour drives (each way) with an infant....

… probably not a good idea. Or at least my wife wouldn’t think so.

And you want to know my opinion on things, ask my wife!

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I would have to agree, mostly. We are pretty much twenty minutes, door to door.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're not in Knoxville

are you DJ??? if so we should carpool to the games. My daughter goes a lot with me.

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey

by bvkv09 on Aug 8, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

God, some of you “non season tic holders” are a little too sensitive. Plus, why in the hell would you let it be known on a message board you DO NOT have season tics?

This is what letusprey stated:

“I see value in nearly EVERY person’s opinion……….but I can hardly put much weight on a simple/occasional TV fan’s call for Trotz/Poile’s demise……especially under the obvious financial circumstances that the Predator’s organization has always found themselves in.”

It is a simple AND TRUE statement. It is not belittling an opinion, but stating the obvious…Your opinion has value, but it does not carry the weight of someone who has sweat in the team.

 Please attempt to understand the LAST SENTENCE in the above snippet of LETUSPREY’s post…..If you cannot comperhend it, you need to ask someone.

 It is common business practice that your CUSTOMERS, REPEAT CUSTOMERS come first. But I’ll state it clearer: Put your damn money where your mouth is. If you want the Preds viable long term, if you don’t want the discussions about who is expendable, you want them to spend to the cap, you want the top 6 forward, then buy a freakin tic package.

Now, I have to read a bunch of whiny ass non tic holders jump on a person who has supported the team from DAY DAMN 1. Not in my book.

So cut out the cheesburgers, the movies and buy tickets…..Become part of the solution, not a whiny ass complainer we have a problem.

by Predator Don on Aug 8, 2011 1:02 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I think this oversimplifies things quite a bit. If you have the money to buy season tickets, then do so, by all means. No one here has said anything bad about season ticket holders or their priorities.

But please, don’t expect people to feel less than slighted by the assertion that their opinions are not worth as much as someone else’s because they must put their money towards other things, things that are likely not “Cheeseburgers and movies” but rather necessities..

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

CA

I think what Don was trying to say is that people need to understand that to the Franchise, a non ticket purchaser’s opinion is of little importance. It bears some merit, because they are always looking for ways to increase ticket sales, but it has no where near the impact of STH.

We, as fans, should value each other’s opinion even if we do not agree with it.

“The greatest compliment that was ever paid me was when one asked me what I thought, and attended to my answer.”

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey

by bvkv09 on Aug 8, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that may have been what you hope he meant. That is decidedly NOT what he said.

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe the franchise appreciates the opinion of everyone. I believe LETUSPREYS statement was blown way out of proportion by a few who got their collective feelings hurt. But instead of reason, I have people posting they will drop out of college, move and buy tics….wow.

But, I know when the Preds are looking for opinions, they turn to the season tic holder first. As I said, it is a common business practice. It does not make the opinion of a non tic holder any less valuable.

I’m simply asking the non tic holders to be part of the solution. Buying a tic is a part of it and pardon my opinion, but don’t tell me if a priority is the Preds, even a college student can find a few bucks to buy a tic here and there…the Preds think so or they would not have the college nites. The Preds think so or there wouldn’t be the Daily’s Tues nite food stand. The Preds think so or they wouldn’t have limited 10.00 tic.
 heck, the Preds are doing thier part to get you to the games, do your part.

by Predator Don on Aug 8, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Become part of the solution, not a whiny ass complainer we have a problem."

So it is OK to complain about people not buying tickets, but not OK to complain about the direction of the team if you do not buy tickets? I think that is where you and LetusPrey are running into trouble here.

This forum is for discussing the predators. I do not remember seeing anything upon joining that required proof of ticket purchase.

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey

by bvkv09 on Aug 8, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially considering that his first sentence was about there somehow being shame in not being a STH.

I presume people on duty, in college, with late shift jobs, with lower paying jobs or with kids should be ashamed.

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought we were just having fun with him anyways...

…were our feelings hurt? I missed that memo.

Gonna miss you Joel Ward...

Go Predmirals!

by Poiju on Aug 8, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I missed that meme. Oh!

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems that all of this is being blown out of proportion. We are all still trying to listen to each other here, or at least I hope so.

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually tuned you out since you said you weren’t a STH.

Whoops…

What I meant to say is…

Why is there a blank space here?

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know sarcasm doesnt translate well over the internet but I assumed most would realize that is what was meant by my post about dropping out.

Also, you are assuming that myself and people in similar situations don’t go to games at all. I have been to around 15 both of the last 2 seasons and consider myself fortunate to be able to attend that many. I realize that the Preds as a team value STH opinions more than mine or others who go to a few games or none at all. But here on this site I don’t see how me not being a STH matters at all and that is what caused all this discussion today.

by Joel Ward is my Homeboy on Aug 8, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

100%

correct!!

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey

by bvkv09 on Aug 8, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn’t matter….But a few got their panties in a wad over what is considered the truth. That is what caused this discussion today. People who cannot deal with what is simply true.

I give more value to opinions of those with skin in the game…what the hell is wrong with that?

LETUSPREY made the comment that the occasional TV fan’s opinion(or something like that) does not carry as much value. I can’t think of any endeavor where this is not true. When did the truth become subject to ridicule?

I’d say everyone here, because they are here, care and do all they can for the team. If that is one solitary tic, great. If it is a suite, great.

But one statement was blown out of context by what everyone here practices every day on thier job, with thier kids…everyone places more value on an opinion when it comes from someone with skin in the game.

by Predator Don on Aug 8, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again

why should it matter to another fan if I am a season ticket holder or not?? I dont see where it is relevant between fans.

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey

by bvkv09 on Aug 8, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, I have plenty of skin in the game. It just doesn’t come out of my rather empty wallet.

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does the occasional TV fan really hang out and discuss hockey everyday on OtF? LETUSPREY has been a STH from day 1 and just got here this year… seems suspect to think that a bunch of us just tune in to a few games a year and then scream FIRZ THEM DAMZ COACHES!

Gonna miss you Joel Ward...

Go Predmirals!

by Poiju on Aug 8, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Icing? What’s that?

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

but they might start spouting stupid stuff on Facebook! :)

by musamonster on Aug 8, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

So....

I want to see 25 of you STHs go up to Cirragan and tell them your opinions of what the team should do with DP and BT. They’ll listen (about 12 seconds worth) and after you leave, they will roll their eyes and laugh.

They’ll listen to you (probably do nothing about though) the differences of Dippin Dots vs TCBY or Bud vs Miller vs Coors…

Now see how much YOUR opinion matters to the franchise. (Same as mine, diddly)

To this board, my opinion may not matter to you or him or her, but to give a reason as being a STH or buying single game tickets or just watching on TV… that is what irks me about his statement. That screams Red Wings executive seating (i.e. the entire lower bowl of JLA). I escaped that crap and thought of supporting a blue collar type of team with blue collar fans.

Guess I was wrong about that!

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not wrong...

Both sides of this discussion have good and bad points. I’m a STH but not since Day 1 when I was just out of high school and going to college full time and saving every penny for an engagement ring. I support them now more than ever, but things are getting tighter to where I might not be able to in the future. We are all Pred fans in here..well most of us…and every opinion is valid, otherwise I wouldn’t have people discussing with me about my views on the Weber situation or Poile not adding a top 6 scorer since…well you get the idea….
Let’s leave it as all are welcome. Whether it be betting on the sport, buying season tickets, half season, flex packs or $10 day of tickets or unable to attend because of financial or obligational restraints at least we have a team to bicker and discuss and fret and gush over. I’ll bet that those on the Thrasher sites would be happy to have the back and forth over their team like we have on a daily basis.
Just Saying

by HardCorePredFan316 on Aug 8, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t think of any endeavor where this is not true

When you are at a live taping of SNL, you can’t always see the action, but have to watch it on a monitor, and you don’t always have the best line of sight to the monitor, THEREFORE, the TV fan’s opinion that Justin Timberlake was hilarious in that Liquorville sketch, might carry more weight than the person who was unable to see it.
I’m also a STH, fd1, so you can take that to the bank!

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

more weight, rather, than the person who was in the audience and unable to see it.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe you took alot of the responses way to serious...

when many of them to me seemed no more than sarcastic jabs on a Monday in the middle of BF nowhere on the hockey schedule.

Are you having a sort of STH guilt? Bearing the heavy weight that comes with it? Needing, nay, pleading to share that STH’s crown with others?

;-)

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Aug 8, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

My sentiments exactly.

It was pretty much a “I hear your opinion, but I think nothing much of it” kind of statement.

And I like cheeseburgers.

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm
So cut out the cheesburgers, the movies and buy tickets

i guess i could skip on some student loan payments to save up the money for a ticket package.

but all this discussion on the value of STH versus people with more pressing financial concerns has me wondering who may have more value.
1) a person who spends $2,000 on tickets. or
2) a person that is part of a loyal group of fans who watch or listen to every game, which convinces business’s to spend more on advertisement revenue on the team. (if every fan were STHers this team would have less money since there would be no revenue from media advertisements.)

Keys to the game: GA<GF

by flyalder on Aug 8, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’ll drop out of college, move to Nash and buy some season tickets so some people on a message board know I am a STH and my opinion matters. Who needs an education anyways?

also I fail to comprehend how this statement matters at all:

Plus, why in the hell would you let it be known on a message board you DO NOT have season tics?

by Joel Ward is my Homeboy on Aug 8, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

No need to do this….But if you enjoy the Preds and want the team to succeed, simply find a way to buy a tic or two…..I sacrifice to do it, so skipping a cheesburger couild actually get you a 10.00 tic……

by Predator Don on Aug 8, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then you’re eating at the wrong places.

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Caustin, I believe you are intelligent enough to budget for a few games. My family sacrifices by “not eating at the wrong places” and eating at home. Way back when, in college, I got by on bread and peanut butter.

Don’t tell me it can’t be done, I know it can. All I’m getting now is a bunch of ridiculous comments and grief from fans who don’t seem to be willing to sacrifice.

Again, all i’m asking is be part of the solution, not part of the problem and its fair tio ask because this IS a Preds message board.

by Predator Don on Aug 8, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You just dont get it

How is someone who cannot afford a ticket to the game, part of the problem? These people are fans just as you and I are. You sound like an elitist pig to tell someone, whom you nothing about, to sacrifice and buy a ticket.

Clueless.

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey

by bvkv09 on Aug 8, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

A few games does not a STH make. I get to the games I can, I watch the rest on TV. And I am not ashamed of my priorities. Furthermore, I have valid opinions, regardless of how much I spend on the team. You never asked about anyone’s situation, let alone mine. Instead, you said that “non-tic holders” (which in context seemed to mean season tickets, not single game tickets) were being too sensitive and that they should stop buying frivolous things and buy season tickets instead, if they wanted the right to complain. I respectfully disagree with both your premises and the logic you used to reach your conclusions.

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know who would really enjoy this debate?
Creeping Death and SWFP. They must be actually working at work, today…

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Along with DFTB and Grizzledbear. Kind of our “Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse” that bunch.

Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?

by DonBorvio on Aug 8, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bergfors, Hornqvist, Rinne, Lindback.
Four Norsemen of the Ahockeylypse.
Okay, the name could use some work…

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Beeswax!" SWFP would say....

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Creeping Death’s last day at work was a couple of days ago, so he might be doing the moving thing today. SWFP has no reason to miss this, haha!

Gonna miss you Joel Ward...

Go Predmirals!

by Poiju on Aug 8, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

So is he actually moving? I thought, maybe he got another job. Let me know.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m assuming, he’s quit his job and is no longer at Vandy.

Gonna miss you Joel Ward...

Go Predmirals!

by Poiju on Aug 9, 2011 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

  I’m enjoying it greatly, and for a change, I’m not in the middle of it, LOL! :)

Shadows only exist when something of substance appears first.......

by Grizzledbear on Aug 8, 2011 5:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"Plus why in the hell would you let it be known on a message board you DO NOT have season tics"

I’m pretty sure that not owning season tickets is not a social stigma.

So I ask again, since when does the amount of money one person spends on something make their opinion more valid than someone else’s?

Not everyone is single without kids.

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

 No one said a non tic holders opinion is not valuable. No one said someone who never bought a tic can’t be a fan of the team. No one stated fans are needed of teams who have never graced the Bridgestone arena. There are many avenues of support. Buying merchandise is an avenue and if the finances are simply not there, no one understands this more than me. I sacrifice some things to buy tics. I also believe, whether a student, a single mom or a millioniare, we find ways to spend money on what we enjoy…..So if you enjoy the Preds, find a way to buy a tic or two.

But this was a discussion on which of the big 3 is expendable…and one of the answers is to buy tics. So my advise to the non tic holders wanting Poile? Trotz head…..Practice “don’t ask, don’t tell”.

by Predator Don on Aug 8, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

and one of the answers is to buy tics

The key word there is “one”.

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey

by bvkv09 on Aug 8, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

On a message board, it is the primary answer….But please, a good exercise would be a list of avenues to help the team. What are your suggestions.

by Predator Don on Aug 8, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about

buying merchandise
support the local sponsors
It cost me as much to come to 10 games a year as it does for you to buy season tickets.

So do not tell me you are making more of a financial investment to support this team than I am. You have no idea what any of these people’s financial situations are.

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey

by bvkv09 on Aug 8, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t believe I said that…..I believe we have a bunch of people who read LETUSPREY and jumped to the worse case senario. If you are doing what you can, then you are part of the solution.

by Predator Don on Aug 8, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Preds...

are a business.

Keeping the team afloat is not my responsibility, nor is it the responsibility of any other fan, regardless of how many tickets they buy or don’t buy.

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I consider it part of MY responsibilities, but I don’t hoist it upon the pocketbook of anyone else…

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

not according to your earlier post

If I am doing what i can do by buying a shirt and watching the team on FSTN then, according to your earlier post, I am part of the problem.

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey

by bvkv09 on Aug 8, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is exactly what he said

“but I can hardly put much weight on a simple/occasional TV fan’s call for Trotz/Poile’s demise”

Their opinion may not be as valuable as his is, but it does hold value.

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey

by bvkv09 on Aug 8, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hold his opinion to lower regards because of the actual opinion.

I don’t give a crapola if he is a STH or not.

It is that elitist mentality that turns people into Red Wings fans, yo!

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant tot the franchise.

all of our opinions should be valuable to each other. Discussion sparks creative thought process and improvements.

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey

by bvkv09 on Aug 8, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly....

…. I took in his opinion on our opinions. I came back with my opinion on his opinions about our opinions.

I didn’t like what he said and do not agree with it, but it is still his opinion…. even though it is wrong. :P

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol.

I am now dizzy

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey

by bvkv09 on Aug 8, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy cow…..So not as much weight is put on the " simple/occasional TV fan"…..Quit reading more into the statement….It is not a judgement of Pred fans. It is simply a statement he values a persons opinion more who make the effort to buy a tic….Dang, this shouldn’t be this hard to understand.

by Predator Don on Aug 8, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or be in the military..deploying in October…I’m gunna miss my hockey nights.

by Gnashvillepreds on Aug 8, 2011 1:17 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Military is just code for “cheeseburgers and movies”.

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, military is the reason why you can make such a statement on a message board. Military is the reason we have an NHL. Military is the reason you enjoy this freedom here.

Gnashvillepreds…..Get us an address where you will be stationed. Yo may not see some games, but you will certainly have some Preds stuff coming your way.

by Predator Don on Aug 8, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

AMEN!

Please forward the address.

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey

by bvkv09 on Aug 8, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Canada is the reason we have an NHL.
Americans are the reason we enjoy this freedom, here, in America.
ALL Americans, not just those who wore the uniform, make the enjoyment of freedom possible.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the percentage of Canadians playing in the league. At least half, now. In 1980, it was 80%.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it would be awesome if you could give us an address.

OnTheForecheck.com. On twitter at @OTFMarc (NHL) and @MarcTorrence (everything else).

by Marc Torrence on Aug 8, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dumb. Really, really dumb. You need to apologize.. Big time.

by Hockey Hillbilly on Aug 8, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ummmm,,,guys. He was being sarcastic. He wasn’t dissing the military.

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Humor on the Internet? Well, I never

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

See…..sarcasm. ;) (You’re good at it, too.)

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was pretty sure that it was obvious what I was referencing…considering the post I replied to was directly referencing the post I referenced.

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too many references in that reference.

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why did you even bother re-re-referencing it?

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s kind of like inception.

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda like Poile's off-season....

A dream within a dream within a dream that I can’t wake up from.

by HardCorePredFan316 on Aug 8, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you

for your Service

The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey

by bvkv09 on Aug 8, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your efforts are appreciated by us back home. Be safe and alert. GO USA!! GO PREDS!!!

by HardCorePredFan316 on Aug 8, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

My God, will the season just start already??!?!?!!!?

It’s like a real life version of Angry Birds up in this joint.

I like it better when we’re all yelling at Kevin Klein.

by rusherman on Aug 8, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

When we are caught up in a cage and moved to ( Winnepeg, Bassilleville, Las vegas)….we become very angry….LOLOLOL

by Predator Don on Aug 8, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

KLEIN, YOU ARE AWESOME!!!!
Is that what you were yelling at Klein?
It’s what I was yelling…

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s exactly what I was yelling. How did you know?

by rusherman on Aug 8, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Palin: C-C-C-CA-CA-C-C-C-CA-CA-C-CA
Klein: Cathcart Towers?
Paliln: C-CC-C-C-C-C-CC-C-C CREASE! He’s in the C C CC C CREASE!

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Klein too...

…took me until middle of last year, but I like him.

Gonna miss you Joel Ward...

Go Predmirals!

by Poiju on Aug 8, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m hoping to (re-)watch Klein beating the crap out of those damn, dirty Ducks this week. If they show it. They always seem to cut the good stuff out. I’ll be yelling at him then for sure!

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lebda has cleared waivers btw.

http://twitter.com/#!/DarrenDreger

Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?

by DonBorvio on Aug 8, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Damnit...

So are we buying him out or not?

by HardCorePredFan316 on Aug 8, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's off the cap down there...

Now if he ends up playing up here, I’m cursing Poile with a pox…

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Aug 8, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe not, just signed another depth defenseman:
Nashville Predators President of Hockey Operations/General Manager David Poile announced today that the club has signed defenseman Jack Hillen to a one-year, two-way contract worth $650,000 at the NHL level and $105,000 at the AHL level.

Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?

by DonBorvio on Aug 8, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't matter if he is off the cap...

…. still have to pay him.

Cap means nothing to the Preds except to not exceed the midpoint to go over the revenue sharing threshhold.

by djzielin on Aug 9, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

About F'n time...

I can’t stand to watch another Red Wing/Coyotes game or Van/Chi….ugh. Can’t wait to see Game 5 and 6 against the Ducks….oh sweet memories.

by HardCorePredFan316 on Aug 8, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope they show Obie’s scoreboard thing, but it’ll probably be cut. :(

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, is this sarcasm? Or not. I mean, am I supposed to be upset or what?

PS. People who only watch the games on TV probably live a blissfully Eklund-free life.

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best post EVAR...

… from you anyways… but since you aren’t a STH, your post doesn’t matter.

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually am a STH…in the cheapest seat in the arena…heh.

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Row R. Actually, I’m in front of Row S.

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Soooo……where do you fall in your pecking order……LOL

by Predator Don on Aug 8, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well…I gave up 1 of my 2 season tickets this year because my sis and I wanted to split the account…

I didn’t include the section/number of seats math, however.

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Patten, you ignorant slut. What about the people who listen on the Radio?

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

But, hilarious, btw. Maybe your best, ever.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean Tom’s parents?

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hahahahaha!
Wait…, Tom who?
Hahahaha!

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to Hoyle...

Royal Flush
Straight Flush
Four of a Kind
Full House
Flush
Straight
Three of a kind
Two Pair
One Pair
High Card

From my count we have:
4-Three of kind
3-Two Pair
2-Aces (in goal)
and
1-Joker (either Trotz or Poile, take you pick)
;^D

by HardCorePredFan316 on Aug 8, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do I get with one of a kind??

ME!

Duh.

WINNING!

(My officemate said I was wearing a Charlie Sheen shirt today, so I am in full form)

by djzielin on Aug 8, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Patten, quick question...

I am a season ticket holder for the Milwaukee Admirals. Paul Fenton, Assistant GM for the Predators, is our GM.

Everything Nashville does directly effects my team in Brewtown.

Where am I on that list?

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Aug 8, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe the Ads have their own hierarchy.

1. Full STH.
2. Got tickets free when I bought Brewer’s tickets
etc.

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I beg to differ sir...

Players drafted, called up, sent down, rehab assignments by Nashville, play here.

“The road to Nashville goes though Milwaukee”

Pekka, Shea, Suter, Tootoo, Blum, Geoffrion, O’ Reilly, etc. have played here.

I want a say dammit!

:-)

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Aug 8, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trust me, I’m fully aware. I flew to Hershey earlier this year to cover Dex and Klasen in the AHL All Star Game. I was pretty much the only person covering anyone in the Western Conference.

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Madness!!!!

I think the whole STH thing is madness here… but I agree with the original guy who said that we can’t blame Trotz and Poile for the Preds still being a smaller market team and unable to afford all of the big 3 and a competitive team to put around them. I think the organization is doing a good job expanding, but Rome wasn’t built in a day… if one of the Big 3 has to go, that sucks, but its business.
If we signed all three of them and had all this money tied up in them, some people on here would have a fit about how badly managed the team was when we didn’t have the money to spend on some offensive firepower.
I know the off season sucks, but come on people, let’s hold it together!!
clap clap clapclap clap LETS GO PREDATORS. (see? That made me feel better already!)

There's only two kinds of teams in the NHL: Predators and prey.

by Predanooga on Aug 8, 2011 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

STH vs. non STH

  On the one hand, a STH’s opinion may carry more weight in that, like being a shareholder in a company, it’s their money helping to keep the business afloat. But, that doesn’t necessarily make the quality of their opinion better than anyone elses. We all know people who go to a lot of games and scratch our heads at their description of what they just watched.

  So as far as a hockey board like this goes, the validity of the opinion is what’s important, not the quality of their tickets.

Shadows only exist when something of substance appears first.......

by Grizzledbear on Aug 8, 2011 6:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yea…..Fire Trotz!!!!! Fire Poile!!!!! They don’t know what they are doing!!!!!

It’s kinda like stating my congressman is great but yours sucks. The validity of the opinion may seem important, but the quality is not there.

by Predator Don on Aug 8, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

  Who exactly are you yelling at?

Shadows only exist when something of substance appears first.......

by Grizzledbear on Aug 8, 2011 8:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And don’t we have the same congressmen?

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a different one...

…and he sucks too!

Gonna miss you Joel Ward...

Go Predmirals!

by Poiju on Aug 9, 2011 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Preds v Ducks Game 1 on NHL network tonight, 7:00.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Carlyle was extended for 3 more seasons of thuggery in Anaheim.

Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?

by DonBorvio on Aug 8, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh goody! I get to hate them for another 3 years, guilt-free.

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

How long is Perry signed for?

That’s how much hatred in length I have for the Ducks….a shame that Selanne, one of the classiest players ever has to be around those thugs…if only he would come and play for us next year…..He already did on my NHL11 Campaign :D

by HardCorePredFan316 on Aug 8, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you imagine if they ever cleaned up their act? What would we do? Go back to hating the Red Wings I suppose.

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

NEW CONTEST!!!

If the city was to change the name of a road in town to Predator’s Way, which road would it be and why?

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Depends on how they plan the parade route. It needs to be road where they do the Cup presentation!

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was thinking more funny things, like “Broadway, because it’s filled with drunks and deadends into the river”. Wait, that might not be funny…

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watch out or someone will say the road towards the airport out of here. Oh. I guess I’m that someone. I didn’t mean it!! I’m sorry ! I didn’t mean it!

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Demonbreun...

Since it will be “the new front door” as Cogen put it, and it looks it’s pronounced “Demon brewin’”.

Hockeymetricians, they're ever so pious. Are they doing real science or confirming their bias?

by DonBorvio on Aug 8, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Demonbreun

Because it’s constantly under construction and every time I drive on it, there’s some sort of blockage that keeps me from going all the way.

by Patten on Aug 8, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Probably nominate 3rd Ave...

Cause just when you think things are going to go your way…it turns into a one-way the opposite direction of where you think it should go.

by HardCorePredFan316 on Aug 8, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

State Route 840...

…because it almost goes all the way.

by rusherman on Aug 8, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why a Way?

Way is too light in the loafers…

What happens on the ice...stays on the ice...

by BrianAdsFan on Aug 8, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Predators Way” is a reference to the statement Trotz always makes about how the Preds have their own style.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

But

Predators Dark Alley Is where people get mugged of their Stanley Cup!

by musamonster on Aug 8, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was replying to BrianAdsFan

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 9, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tell 'em Cisar!

Preds vs. Ducks Game 1 on NHL network tonight at 7, and probably every day this week. and the Weber NHL spot every hour.. Don’t make me make another fan post.

by Saber-tooth on Aug 8, 2011 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep, every night from now through Saturday. 7pm. I have the DVR all set up. Can’t wait!

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 8, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

OOOOOOOPS !!

200 posts later……….

All I was suggesting is that the game and the players are fair-game for any/all fans and non-fans, even.

I also suggested that calling for the firing of Trotz AND Poile, as it has been suggested by some, be simply stated and followed by whether the opinion comes from a STH or ticket buyer of any type……..or casual fan.

If you are a casual fan and want such a drastic change in the CORE of our team, then, please suggest who else could do better………with as few tickets sold and such a small market to gain advertising moneys from.

I’m sorry if anyone became uncomfortable with my suggestion.

Thanks for your comments, though !

I’ve learned a lot, tonight.

by LetUsPrey on Aug 8, 2011 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

But what if..........

  that casual fan was very involved with hockey, be it as a coach at the high school level, running hockey clinics or something like that, and had the opinion that we should make a change in a certain area of the team? That would be worth listening to at the very least, IMO, certainly more than a STH who yells “shoot the puck” everytime a player has the puck.

  Just my two cents. :)

Shadows only exist when something of substance appears first.......

by Grizzledbear on Aug 8, 2011 11:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That one was always my favorite up in 306

Listening to the blowhards who got free tickets from their work in 307.

No shooting lane, one on four, YES SHOOT IT!

Those same fans are the ones who when golfing, instead of just hitting it safely out of the woods think, “Well if I just blast it through 2,700 branches, there are good odds it will get through to the green 200 yards away!”

by djzielin on Aug 9, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm the guy

always shouting “PASS!” and “DEKE!”

by musamonster on Aug 9, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sooo……..What if it was a pee wee coach who is also a STH who yells shoot the puck???? What then?

by Predator Don on Aug 9, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

  Is this a self-descriptive statement? :D

Shadows only exist when something of substance appears first.......

by Grizzledbear on Aug 9, 2011 6:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hmmm

Then the player must first digest whether or not the pee wee coach is successful, how many players of his are now in juniors and if the coach has a nice white smile…..
…….
………………
……………
…………..

No wonder our players don’t shoot the puck on the powerplay. :\

by djzielin on Aug 10, 2011 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good fun!

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 8, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhh, you can't take us too seriously.

I think most everyone knew what you meant, but it’s a past time here at OtF among a few of us to poke at someone who brings up a topic that has “thread memed” before. Pretty sure this one has been covered a few times.

Still working on the joking/sarcasm font… I still vote reverse italics.

Gonna miss you Joel Ward...

Go Predmirals!

by Poiju on Aug 9, 2011 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sorry, and I don’t mean to keep this whole thing going now that it’s died down, but I fail to see any connection whatsoever between the purchase of any kind of ticket and the validity of an opinion. As long as reasons are given to support people’s opinion, we should be willing to consider it. We can evaluate those reasons and agree or disagree, but we shouldn’t require proof of payment before listening. If you are saying that there’s a difference between the knowledge level of those who keep up with the team and those who kinda sorta sometimes watch a game every now and then but don’t have that much exposure, then say that. No need to bring $$ into the equation.

If you like DP and BT, then by all means, express that opinion and give reasons for it. [In my best teacher voice:] What have they done that you like? Why are they better than alternatives? Be specific and give examples. [end pedantry] Then sit back and watch the fireworks.

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 9, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are a teacher?

Where at? Not sending my kids to that non-STH heathen type of school district!!!

by djzielin on Aug 9, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like I’m gonna tell you. :) I can see the picket line now: “hey hey, ho, ho, Non-STH has got to go!” You’ll be the one carrying a sign that says “Trade Pekka for a forward!” ;)

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 9, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think we should trade Pekka.

I actually think he is more important than Weber or Suter.

by djzielin on Aug 9, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but you’d carry that sign if it annoyed me, I’m sure. ;)

I don’t actually think he’s more important than the wonder twins, but I do think he brings a lot more to this team than we could replace in a trade, while Webs or Sutes would bring closer to their value. And I luuuuuv watching Peks, too. He makes me smile. It just gets me going when folks say Pekka’s “replaceable.” He’s not. He’s extraordinary and goalies like him don’t grow on trees. Even more, it’s a seriously bad idea to let him go before Lindback has a chance to mature. If I have my way, we’ll keep all of them.

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 9, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was sitting behind Pekka in the ‘Seats on the Glass’ seats for the OT Boston win this past season, and as soon as we won the game he spun around and looked at us and was smiling, sort of laughing, like a kid on Christmas as he skated back to his goal to knock the posts. It is one of my favorite Preds things, ever.

World Wide Weber.
There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
~Joe Strummer

by cisar on Aug 9, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You gotta love a guy who’s having that much fun!

"I'm a firm believer that in life, if you're happy then happy things will happen for you."--Bernie Parent
Part Predator, part Lightning.

by CAustin on Aug 9, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I missed this party

I agree with everything here. :)

All I will write is that if you really are a fan, AND have some extra money, then go to the damn games and support the damn team. It takes money to pay Shea and company.

by kypredsfan on Aug 9, 2011 6:01 AM EDT reply actions  

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