Monday's notes: Drop the puck, kids!
by Dirk Hoag on Sep 12, 2011 10:24 AM EDT
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PrintThe Nashville Predators prospects hit the ice tonight in Florida to take on Tampa Bay's kids, at 5:00 p.m. Central. There is no live coverage planned that I'm aware of, but I'll gather whatever info I can and pass it along.
For now, follow after the jump for an in-depth interview conducted with Wade Belak just a few weeks ago, previews of tonight's game, and breaking news that an Eastern Conference NHL team may be teetering on the brink of bankruptcy...
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Nashville Predators News
Former Predator Wade Belak: Fighting is part of the job - The Tennessean
Wow... earlier in August, Josh Cooper sat down for an interview with Wade Belak about his work as an NHL enforcer. This is your must-read of the morning.
Smashville 24/7: Rookies set to take on other competition
Now we'll finally get a chance to see how these kids fare when pucks are fired in anger.
Preds On The Glass: POTG Monday Headlines, News, and Links: Preds Rookies Play Tampa Tonight
Buddy's got all your Predators prospect stalking advice ready to go this morning.
Chet Pickard’s Fresh Start | PuckScene.com
Lousy 2010-2011 season? What 2010-2011 season? I like Chet's fresh approach here, including training twice a week with his mom during the summer.
Hockey Night in Nashville: Preds Rookie Camp day 2
Robby talks with two of the rookies about what it's like to practice as a team, but compete against the other guys for roster spots.
Inside Smashville " Decorated defensive prospects, Ellis and Ekholm, ready to compete for roster spots
The sky is the limit for these two - the only question is when, not if, we'll see them play for Nashville.
The View from 111: Petey's Party 2011
Mark shares his experience of last Thursday's benefit dinner.
Nashville Predators hand rookies early test - The Tennessean
Josh previews the rookie games coming up tomorrow and Tuesday in Florida.
Around the Wide Wide World of Hockey
New Jersey Devils hockey team skates to verge of bankruptcy - NYPOST.com
Whoa... "The attendance-challenged, heavily indebted team missed its Sept. 1 loan payment, giving its lenders a breakaway chance to push the team into bankruptcy, a source with direct knowledge of the situation said. "The Devils are blowing up," the source said."
Only player to survive Russian plane crash dies - The Tennessean
Alexander Galimov didn't just play for Jaroslavl Lokomotiv, he was from the area, a local product made good. Burns over 90 percent of his body proved too much, though.
Jonathan Huberdeau's Bright Future with Florida Panthers ... Huberdeau Scores in Panthers 4-2 Rookie Win over Lightning - On Frozen Pond
Before the Preds arrived for this rookie tournament, the Lightning and Panthers tussled, and Huberdeau (the 3rd overall pick this summer) is in the spotlight.
Girl wins bid to play virtual self in EA Sports NHL 12 video game - The Globe and Mail
OK, this is pretty cool.
Charting Optimism: How Phil Can Hit 50 - Pension Plan Puppets
If the stars align, Phil Kessel could hit some big numbers. The same logic could be applied to Patric Hornqvist, too.
Fight Videos: Erik Gudbranson, Dylan McIlrath in rookie battles - Puck Daddy
The young guys are always looking to make an impression in these rookie games; let's just hope we don't have another knuckle-dragger dishing out head shots, like last year when Linus Klasen got hurt against Florida.
Can Nikita Filatov become the next low-risk, high-reward success story? - Silver Seven
What do they think he is, Niclas Bergfors?
PTM Interview: Mike "Doc" Emrick, Part 1 " Puck The Media
Steve lands a long, insightful interview with the leading voice of hockey on US television.
Young Leaf forward’s best career move? Backward - The Globe and Mail
Sometimes you have to significantly change your focus in order to make the pros, and in this case, a Toronto prospect is moving from forward to defense.
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Lokomotiv
Anyone know if the KHL has any fund set up for families of the victims? I imagine there may be a “shopKHL.com” or something, and they’d probably be able to raise plenty of money if they sent a % of Lokomotiv goods sold into a fund for the families…..
TN Sports fan in Hoosier Country....
I had heard that the KHL was going to put Lokomotiv gear for sale on their website with proceeds to either the families or the team (which still has to pay the salaries of all who were killed). I checked this morning and didn’t see anything. I plan to keep up with this, so if I see any news, I will certainly share it.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, and Boogaard.
About the rookie game
Last night George Richards (at the On Frozen Pond blog or @OnFrozenPond) and @Rinkside did a fantastic job of keeping Panthers fans abreast of the happenings, as well as the Bolts fans who tagged along. On Frozen Pond did a live chat and @rinkside tweeted an abbreviated play-by-play and some brief video. Since they cover the Panthers I doubt they’ll do the same for tonight’s game, but likely will when we play the Panthers tomorrow. It was a great job by both and there was a lot of interest. It’d be nice to see this streamed next season.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, and Boogaard.
I'm confused
I read that he died on the same day of the crash due to severe burns. Was that news bit just prophetic?
Lots of chaos in the immediate aftermath of the crash. Lots of erroneous info out there and then retracted. He’d been in a medically induced coma for the last several days, but the injuries were fearsome (burned over 80% of his body, including his respiratory tract; he reportedly needed a trachea transplant). Slava Malamud reported on the 8th or 9th that the doctors were saying it was “almost incompatible with life” but that he was hanging on. But this morning the news came that he had died during surgery.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, and Boogaard.
Straight talk
On the morning of August 3 Wade Belak spoke directly, without hesitation and not even a hint of guile, about his life, family and job. That makes what happened a few days later seem even more inexplicable.
by Hockey Hillbilly on Sep 12, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions
I still think it was accidental. But I’m not going to argue about that. It’s just how I feel, and if the family doesn’t want it public; I’m fine with that.
I think it was accidental too, and if it’s what I think it is, I wouldn’t want it made available for public consumption either.
There is only one way I can think of in which a person might “accidentally” hang oneself. . .I think I prefer believing he lost a secret battle with depression.
by Melissa Vanderpool Wallace on Sep 12, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
In reading that interview
what struck me most was that he didn’t seem to have been all that happy being “typecast” as the enforcer/goon during his last few years playing. There’s no indication that he was in crisis, but there is indication (hindsight being what it is) that there were issues on his mind. I will remind you guys, however, that these crises can be triggered very suddenly and that the triggers wouldn’t necessarily make sense to a person who was not depressed.
I will also ask that we please maintain a bit of respect in these posts and refrain from speculating about things as much as we can. Let’s please keep to the evidence at hand, if we can.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, and Boogaard.
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey
Evidence for a theory of “accidental” strangulation (which is implying something else entirely)? _______________? Anyone?
Evidence for Wade Belak being depressed? His mother, Tie Domi, Michael Landsberg. All of whom have publicly stated that he talked about his depression with them and that it went back to when he was on the Maple Leafs.
I’ve said it all along and I’ll repeat it now. I have no idea whether Wade Belak intended to harm himself or to commit suicide. I have no idea what the details were. But there is very good evidence that he was depressed, and I will continue to honor his struggle against that depression by acknowledging it. If we’re going to discuss the man’s death, let’s at least use some discretion and base conclusions on evidence.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, and Boogaard.
Multiple people have come out and said “once the facts come out” that it would be ruled accidental, including PJ Stock on FAN590 radio (that audio was since pulled from the site). There were also two scouts (can’t recall their names at the moment) who made that assertion on Twitter separately.
So yes, there is reason to consider it an open question. And it’s an important question, given all the editorializing over what needs to change in the game, whether the NHL or NHLPA failed to do something they should have, etc.
But again, unless we actually get a report out of the Toronto police (which seems increasingly unlikely), all we can say is, we don’t know.
Managing Editor of On the Forecheck, SB Nation's blog covering the Nashville Predators, and founder of HockeyGearHQ, a site devoted to hockey equipment and accessories.
My understanding is that Canadian police don’t release that sort of information like they do here in the States. That is at least what I have heard since Rypien’s death. It would be up to the family to make that decision.
And with all due respect to you, Dirk, the Stock comments were made before the family confirmed depression.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, and Boogaard.
And with all due respect to you, Dirk, the Stock comments were made before the family confirmed depression.
So? All I’m saying is it provides good reason to consider this an open question.
Managing Editor of On the Forecheck, SB Nation's blog covering the Nashville Predators, and founder of HockeyGearHQ, a site devoted to hockey equipment and accessories.
And I am politely discussing this open question. I don’t find your evidence convincing.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, and Boogaard.
So we’re just going round and round on “we don’t know, it’s an open question.”
Managing Editor of On the Forecheck, SB Nation's blog covering the Nashville Predators, and founder of HockeyGearHQ, a site devoted to hockey equipment and accessories.
You know what gets me?
The fact that the Toronto PD chose very purposely to use the term “non-suspicious” as opposed to “accidental” or “suicidal” or “self-inflicted” to describe the circumstances. I just don’t see how that protects the family or anyone else. …and while there is no happy ending possible here, it seems like their could at least be closure on the issue if one of those more specific words were used.
by Marcus Newman on Sep 12, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's just a Canadian thing
Rypien’s death was called a suicide in the immediate aftermath, but it was quickly amended to very similar terminology.
by Melissa Vanderpool Wallace on Sep 13, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I can get into why I don’t find that convincing and why I find other statements more convincing (i.e., evaluating sources), but I think I would be run out of town. Let’s just say the “opening” in the question is smaller from my point of view than it seems to be from yours and that I am satisfied with the sturdiness of my limb.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, and Boogaard.
congratulations
Satisfaction is a good thing. Enjoy your limb.
Managing Editor of On the Forecheck, SB Nation's blog covering the Nashville Predators, and founder of HockeyGearHQ, a site devoted to hockey equipment and accessories.
Where is the evidence that
his death was, in any way, related to depression that he may or may not have been suffering from? Depression is often confused with personality disorders. So I think it is safe to say that you are taking as much of a reach as any of the previous posters. Unless, of course, you clinically diagnosed Mr. Belak yourself. Or have a report from the physician that diagnosed Mr Belak with depression.
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey
Yes he was clinically diagnosed.
Landsberg said Belak, a close friend, came to him for advice on the subject when he was still a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs. He eventually saw a doctor and was prescribed antidepressants." Source, Mirtle, " Wade Belak’s mother says he suffered from depression" The Globe and Mail, Sep, 2, 2011.
It is unknown how much it had to do with his death, but a close friend who had talked to him about it believes that it had something to do with it.
[Tie] Domi intimated that Belak may have suffered from depression, and it was a contributing factor in his death. Belak’s mother has also said her son suffered from depression.
"This has to do with depression and getting the right message out there," Domi said. "That depression can be beat. That’s what I want to do for him and his family is get the right message out there. Because the wrong message has been sent. Not just about hockey. This is about life. There are 3,500 people in Canada who commit suicide a year, 80 percent of them are men."
Source, Cooper, “Friends react to Belak’s passing” The Tennessean, Sep. 4, 2011. See also, Zeisberger, " Domi: Sadness and anger," Toronto Sun, Sep. 4, 2011
I suspect that you and I will never see eye to eye on this, but I am able point to evidence to support that he was depressed. I am sorry if that hurts you or makes you angry. I simply see no percentage in pretending that he was not depressed. And perhaps I do have a soapbox. It’s an important issue that has touched the people who cared about Wade, including his fans. If you want to do something other than post graphics, we might discuss it. Otherwise. I am finished this time.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, and Boogaard.
Evidence???
Again,
A statement from a third party, whom is not licensed to make a diagnosis, is not what I would deem evidence.
You point to a couple of statements of what someone says they were told. Dirk has simply stated the exact same types of “evidence”. I think it is petty to continue to rehash this on a public forum and even more petty to ask someone else to refrain from exactly what you yourself are doing. Now I am finished.
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey
Finally
Something we can agree on.
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey
Watch out. I agreed with Grizzledbear once and the entire internet came crashing down. Or maybe that was just my connection. Either way, I couldn’t get onto SBNation for nearly a whole day.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
That's just
the penalty that Dirk bestows on anyone who dares agree with GB. LOL
The tendency to whining and complaining may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects. ~ Lord Jeffrey
Dare thee awakeneth the bear from his slumber?!!
As I’m sure most here know, it’s all CAustin’s fault (whatever the it may be), so Gbear is innocent of all charges. :D
Now, in other news, if I had any hope of Poile actually having even a remote interest in adding offense to this team, I’d be excited over the Devils current financial woes (you guessed it, Parise to the Preds!). But even in the most advantageous of circumstances, we’ll do nothing as usual. And for this reason, Gbear will be a rarer species around these boards for the near future at least. Labor Day was kind of my drop dead date for this team to do something of significance to improve themselves and that date has come and gone.
On a more serious note, I spent a lot of time this past week reading all the various stories dealing with the Russian plane crash and all the players who lost their lives in that disaster. It’s truly one of the saddest events I can recall (outside of 9-11). So many lives effected by what happened there. We live in such a transient world these days and people seem to just want to move on from things like this without, IMO at least, enough reflection on what happened. Hopefully most won’t do that here. I know it’s something that will effect me for some time to come.
Belarussians play better as a family.......get AK46!
by Grizzledbear on Sep 12, 2011 6:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, come back when you can. You’re important around here even if you keep trying to trade Pekka. ;)
And GB, i can’t even really cope with Lokomotiv right now. I’ve always hated plane crashes for this very reason, and for this crash to take what amounts to an entire extended family is just more than I can bear. I’m in avoidance mode right now. maybe tomorrow I can talk about it.
Take care of yourself.
R.I.P. Belak, Rypien, Boogaard, Lokomotiv.
Part Predator, part Lightning.
By the way, “Go Canes”!!! :)
Belarussians play better as a family.......get AK46!
by Grizzledbear on Sep 12, 2011 6:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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