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Why Scratch Ellis? Comparing Predators Defensemen

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Why scratch Ryan Ellis? Only a game removed from his 2 point performance against Chicago, it seems like a valid question. Assuming Weber, Suter, Klein, and now Gill are safe, what does Roman Josi (9 points, but -10) and Francis Bouillon (7 points in twice as many games), have over Ryan Ellis' 9 points and +8 rating?

Only half the stats tell half the tale, though. Let's look a little deeper at the Preds defenseman. I created this sortable table to compare each player's 5-on-5 performance:

Qualcomp Name Corsi Zone Start
1 Weber +13 44.7%
2 Suter +8 46.7%
3 Klein -9 41.1%
4 Bouillon -2 46.6%
5 Josi -15 42.7%
6 Blum -8 44.4%
7 Hillen -3 49.0%
8 Ellis +16 64.6%

By default, the table is sorted by quality of competition, in which Ellis ranks dead last. Trotz never uses Ellis against top lines, if he can help it. Another measure of strength of minutes is zone starts, or the percentage of times the player starts his shift in the offensive zone versus defensive zone. Here, Trotz has found another way of protecting Ellis, sending him out whenever the Preds get a whistle in the offensive zone.

Roman Josi, by contrast, has faced some of toughest minutes (42.7% zone starts). And their results reflect that difference. Josi is -10 on the season, because he does much of the team's defensive heavy lifting, along with Klein, Weber, and Suter. Ryan Ellis is +8 because he's used like a power play specialist, even at even-strength.

Should Ellis be punished for making the most of the opportunities given to him? That's a trickier question and one we debated with Cody Franson/Kevin Klein. But if Franson's time with the Predators taught us anything, if Trotz doesn't trust the player with a greater role, there's a reason, and he won't change his mind in the middle of a stretch run.

Carrying a power play specialist would have been defensible on past Predators teams, but this year Weber, Suter, and Josi have all been excellent on the man-up. And the acquisition of Gill for the PK frees up Weber and Suter for more PP minutes. Given that Trotz trusts Josi and Bouillon to help carry the load at even strength, scratching Ellis works to the benefit of everyone.

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I would imagine wanting to keep Ellis under the 40 game mark will factor in a bit as well, since he’s at 21 now with 24 games left in the season

by sefskillz on Feb 19, 2012 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

Dirk mentioned earlier that it is 40 games on the active roster, not games played so these scratches count towards that 40 game total as well

by Joel Ward is my Homeboy on Feb 19, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

GREAT ARTICLE

that i had pondered as well. ellis seems to be the odd man out. any chance we experiment a little w/ 11 forwards so ellis can be a true PP specialist. in the past when belak played he often played under 5 minutes so it isnt like his play was keeping a 4th line rolling out.

by predswilrule on Feb 19, 2012 4:43 PM EST reply actions  

imo we’d be better served sending him down to get big minutes in the AHL. that’s where we want his game to be ultimately, not as a 5 minute per game PP specialist.

by sefskillz on Feb 19, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you on that one! Excellent points!

60% of the time it works every time

by Creeping Death on Feb 19, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m with you on this. Rec’d

Hands go uuppp..... AND THEY STAY THERE!
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by davisca on Feb 19, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I enjoy your "usually correct" opinion on this

Frankie hasn’t been playing all too well and looks like he’s going to be playing nothing but third line minutes which is what ellis would be playing….plus if Josi is going to be playing with the Gill that means that the third line will be the dreaded Klein/Cube….which from my recollection has been pretty terrible.

by Herzausstein on Feb 19, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, this is great.

Hands go uuppp..... AND THEY STAY THERE!
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by davisca on Feb 19, 2012 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

Why not leave Ellis right where he is?

It looks to me like he’s thriving in the role of scoring D-man who plays against weaker offensive lines. It’s not like we are bubbling over with skilled forwards who make offense from the blue line irrelevant. To me, somebody has to play against the other team’s weakest line. It might as well be a young guy who has proven he can handle that role and also chip in on offense.

by phogg25 on Feb 19, 2012 5:10 PM EST reply actions  

for an away game

the scratch might make more sense…Trotz has less control of matchups

by Tim P on Feb 19, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I can get on board with that.

by phogg25 on Feb 19, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

dallas tends to be a little on the aggressive side

but it’s not like the Cube is that much bigger than ellis

by Herzausstein on Feb 19, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I had the same thought

It’s hard to know who I’d match up agains Steve Ott:
The Human Rocketship or the Beef Cube….might have to go with Cube…he plays a bit nastier. .

by Tim P on Feb 19, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait wait wait, we have Big Hal now!!

Hands go uuppp..... AND THEY STAY THERE!
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by davisca on Feb 19, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I am pretty sure there’s a stall for a blue ox somewhere in the Bridge now….hmm,
Hal Bunyan! (although that sort of reminds me of nasty feet)

by Tim P on Feb 19, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

HAHAHA

EEEW!!!

Hands go uuppp..... AND THEY STAY THERE!
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by davisca on Feb 19, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

cube only has about 20 lbs on ellis

but he seems to forfeit alot of speed and agility for those extra 20 lbs

by Herzausstein on Feb 19, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

That does make sense, I suppose.

Hands go uuppp..... AND THEY STAY THERE!
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by davisca on Feb 19, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm kind of liking Trotzy being able to pick and choose his matchups

But then, I’m odd, and we all know it.

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by CAustin on Feb 19, 2012 5:22 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Ellis

Wish Trotz and Poile would get over guys like Smithson. This is why guys like Weber and Suter say the things they do. Dress 7 D and let Ellis use his shot on special teams.
Don’t want to hear about face offs and defense – didn’t work too well the other night.
We need to score, especially on the road. As usual an offensive player sits out.

by virgil trucks on Feb 19, 2012 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

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