Why Scratch Ellis? Comparing Predators Defensemen
Why scratch Ryan Ellis? Only a game removed from his 2 point performance against Chicago, it seems like a valid question. Assuming Weber, Suter, Klein, and now Gill are safe, what does Roman Josi (9 points, but -10) and Francis Bouillon (7 points in twice as many games), have over Ryan Ellis' 9 points and +8 rating?
Only half the stats tell half the tale, though. Let's look a little deeper at the Preds defenseman. I created this sortable table to compare each player's 5-on-5 performance:
| Qualcomp | Name | Corsi | Zone Start |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Weber | +13 | 44.7% |
| 2 | Suter | +8 | 46.7% |
| 3 | Klein | -9 | 41.1% |
| 4 | Bouillon | -2 | 46.6% |
| 5 | Josi | -15 | 42.7% |
| 6 | Blum | -8 | 44.4% |
| 7 | Hillen | -3 | 49.0% |
| 8 | Ellis | +16 | 64.6% |
By default, the table is sorted by quality of competition, in which Ellis ranks dead last. Trotz never uses Ellis against top lines, if he can help it. Another measure of strength of minutes is zone starts, or the percentage of times the player starts his shift in the offensive zone versus defensive zone. Here, Trotz has found another way of protecting Ellis, sending him out whenever the Preds get a whistle in the offensive zone.
Roman Josi, by contrast, has faced some of toughest minutes (42.7% zone starts). And their results reflect that difference. Josi is -10 on the season, because he does much of the team's defensive heavy lifting, along with Klein, Weber, and Suter. Ryan Ellis is +8 because he's used like a power play specialist, even at even-strength.
Should Ellis be punished for making the most of the opportunities given to him? That's a trickier question and one we debated with Cody Franson/Kevin Klein. But if Franson's time with the Predators taught us anything, if Trotz doesn't trust the player with a greater role, there's a reason, and he won't change his mind in the middle of a stretch run.
Carrying a power play specialist would have been defensible on past Predators teams, but this year Weber, Suter, and Josi have all been excellent on the man-up. And the acquisition of Gill for the PK frees up Weber and Suter for more PP minutes. Given that Trotz trusts Josi and Bouillon to help carry the load at even strength, scratching Ellis works to the benefit of everyone.
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I would imagine wanting to keep Ellis under the 40 game mark will factor in a bit as well, since he’s at 21 now with 24 games left in the season
Dirk mentioned earlier that it is 40 games on the active roster, not games played so these scratches count towards that 40 game total as well
by Joel Ward is my Homeboy on Feb 19, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
GREAT ARTICLE
that i had pondered as well. ellis seems to be the odd man out. any chance we experiment a little w/ 11 forwards so ellis can be a true PP specialist. in the past when belak played he often played under 5 minutes so it isnt like his play was keeping a 4th line rolling out.
Informative story Sam
But it’d be stupid to scratch Ellis in favor of Frankie. In the playoffs, we’ll be plenty stingy on defense. The key to making a run is playing well on special teams….in particular the PP (and don’t tell me about Boston last year, they’re the exception not the norm). As long as Frankie isn’t gonna be playing on the PK, which he doesn’t, there’s no reason to play him over Ellis.
Just my (usually correct) opinion.
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by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on Feb 19, 2012 4:44 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I agree with you on that one! Excellent points!
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by Creeping Death on Feb 19, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I enjoy your "usually correct" opinion on this
Frankie hasn’t been playing all too well and looks like he’s going to be playing nothing but third line minutes which is what ellis would be playing….plus if Josi is going to be playing with the Gill that means that the third line will be the dreaded Klein/Cube….which from my recollection has been pretty terrible.
by Herzausstein on Feb 19, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Why not leave Ellis right where he is?
It looks to me like he’s thriving in the role of scoring D-man who plays against weaker offensive lines. It’s not like we are bubbling over with skilled forwards who make offense from the blue line irrelevant. To me, somebody has to play against the other team’s weakest line. It might as well be a young guy who has proven he can handle that role and also chip in on offense.
dallas tends to be a little on the aggressive side
but it’s not like the Cube is that much bigger than ellis
by Herzausstein on Feb 19, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
I had the same thought
It’s hard to know who I’d match up agains Steve Ott:
The Human Rocketship or the Beef Cube….might have to go with Cube…he plays a bit nastier. .
cube only has about 20 lbs on ellis
but he seems to forfeit alot of speed and agility for those extra 20 lbs
by Herzausstein on Feb 19, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I'm kind of liking Trotzy being able to pick and choose his matchups
But then, I’m odd, and we all know it.
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by CAustin on Feb 19, 2012 5:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ellis
Wish Trotz and Poile would get over guys like Smithson. This is why guys like Weber and Suter say the things they do. Dress 7 D and let Ellis use his shot on special teams.
Don’t want to hear about face offs and defense – didn’t work too well the other night.
We need to score, especially on the road. As usual an offensive player sits out.

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